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    hi guys! i've done fbsm for about two years now and i'm wondering what you all do to protect yourself from LE? i've just recently discovered this site (and i love it!) and you guys talk a lot about screening. that seems like a lot of time and hassle especially if i'm seeing several clients a day (in know, but not as much hassle as if i were to get arrested...). do you guys have any tips that can weed out LE? as an example, i had a criminal defense lawyer client who claimed that if they guy was LE he couldn't touch his junk. i do know, for instance, it's a very false, wide-spread myth that if you ask someone if they are a cop then they have to tell you if they are. some other providers told me not to discuss any specific acts the client is getting for their money, because a cop would probably have a recording device on him trying to get you to admit to whatever sexual acts in exchange for money. so you want to just state they are getting your time for their money. i've also heard that that's why you should use the term "body rub" and not "massage" so you don't get done for massaging without a license. the only information i will give a potential client who asks me is that i do body rubs. if they ask any specifics such as "will you be nude?" "is that with a happy ending?" i hang up or sometimes say that i don't discuss any details. laws are full of technicalities so does anyone know of tricks to safeguard yourself? (i know of course they vary by state). i've been in London for the past six months (i'm not worried about it in the UK. they don't seem to enforce prostitution laws), but heading back to Cali next month. i've also been thinking of buying a criminal defense lawyer's time for their advice on the best way to prevent any run-ins with the law. thanks guys!

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    Default Re: How do you protect yourself from LE?

    lachloe may be able to give you advice on the laws in that state but there are also city laws to think about - my city does not allow body rubs - they view it the same as a massage - cops can and will touch themselves - let you touch them - let you give them a BJ or sex or whatever and still cite or arrest you - hanging up on dumb asses who ask inappropriate questions is smart but then again some guys are new and stupid and can be taught proper etiquette when calling a lady - not sure on the screening of BR guys - I asked the same question of a lady on here who recently switched from escorting to BR's but I havent got an answer yet - Those guys seem more fly by night and expect the walk in's welcome treatment -

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    Default Re: How do you protect yourself from LE?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blondie Heidi View Post
    you guys talk a lot about screening. that seems like a lot of time and hassle especially if i'm seeing several clients a day (in know, but not as much hassle as if i were to get arrested...).
    So, you don't screen... like, at all? Not only does that make you exponentially more likely to get busted by LE, but also to encounter a bad date who could hurt you. Please start screening. Yes, it is a lot of time and hassle and takes more work, but you're putting not only your livelihood and freedom on the line by not screening, but also possibly your life.

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    Default Re: How do you protect yourself from LE?

    Yes, screening takes time, I dont really see it as a hassle though, just a part of doing what I need to do to keep myself safe from both LE and dangerous guys.
    Nothing is 100%, but better to do due diligence and everything you possibly can to avoid a bad situation, than do nothing at all and just hope everything goes okay.
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    alright. thanks guys. makes sense. i would just die if i had a run in with LE so i suppose better safe than sorry. good advice and i will read up on the screening threads.

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    Default Re: How do you protect yourself from LE?

    Screening is essential. Period. And here in Pittsburgh, a police officer whom went undercover received BBBJ's from a few girls during a sting, and didn't reveal his police officer status until completion. He is under fire for doing so, but he says he has done no wrong, and that it is an essential process in "nailing" the girls for prostitution. So you're lawyer doesn't know what he is talking about. Check it out on google, it was all over the local news when it happened, and do you want to know why it happened? Because they advertised on BP and never screened. (BTW, I don't have anything bad to say about BP itself, but most of the girls who list on BP in this area are either using drugs, cheap, dirty, don't screen & tend to attract men who aren't very nice & only want a 30 minute session. I heard from a girl who used to post on BP that most of her calls we're pranks/men wanting free services for good reviews and angry men. Maybe in other areas it's different, but I stay away from BP like the plague!) It was just a matter of time, and from what I heard through the grape vine, the girls involved in the sting were all fairly new girls, who started out with BP & knew nothing about the process of screening.

    Now, knock on wood, I've never been arrested for anything related to prostitution, and I give all credit to the screening process. And IMO, don't go paying a lawyer for their time, because apparently the one who told you "They cannot touch their "junk" during a sting" was dead wrong. I have met with lawyers before, and I have learned more in a day from my friends in the buisness, from google & from the gals on here, than I ever would from a lawyer. I really do hope that you can find a good lawyer who is willing to spend the time going through the law books with you, but my best piece of advice for staying away from LE is, of course, screening. I don't view it as a hassle, and after you get the hang of it, it seems to take no time at all. And one thing I have learned is that LE are willing to do just about anything to bust a working girl, but around here, they tend to go after the "low hanging fruit" due to the fact that those girls don't screen & they take less time and resources to get a hold of.

    As a matter of fact, I signed my daughter up for a group tour of our local police station & fire house. During the tour they explained what each room was used for and showed us a sneak peak of each one. He then took us to a room being used for prostitution research & explained that they start here, looking for prostitutes to take down during on-location busts of these "awful women". (He never said a thing about any "men" during the whole tour of that room, by the way. Go figure! I know personally a handful of male escorts, and for some reason LE never talks about them on the news & I don't ever hear of them being involved in a sting! I'm sure it happens, but it seems to be pretty rare around here!) When he opened the door to the room, two officers we're around the computer, taking notes and printing ads from BP. Thank God, the children couldn't see hardly anything on the computer, since they couldn't look over the officers heads. But I could! Now, I know a good bit of those girls are not too bright (posting those hilarious "If you are a cop do not contact me and you agree that you're not a cop when you book a session with me.") & will most likely get caught, but it was weird seeing them sitting there, pouring through their ads. Now, I know that LE is always active in busting us gals, but it just made me feel all the better about my screening process, that's for sure!

    I really hope you can see the benefits of the screening process and take advantage of it! And if you have been doing this for 2 years and never bothered to screen I would say that you are one lucky gal! I am intrigued by that fact, and I am wondering if you have ever had any bad experiences due to not screening. I have just never heard of a girl working for 2 years straight, never screening and never being caught by LE or having a awful experience - at least in these parts! It's just unheard of around here!

    That's just my 2 cents & I wish you the best of luck in staying away from LE and pursuing your dreams & goals!

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    You bring up a dang good point! Ive *never* heard of a male escort being busted!!! As a matter of fact, the few times I ever hear about male escorts, its cause they were hired by some politician who got outed..and even then its not like, even an issue or of concern to convict the male escort for prostitution..instead hes an integral part of building a case against the politicians character. Talk about a double standard eh?!!!!!!!

    And yes, the police go after low hanging fruit first and formost. They can bust 10 girls who dont screen int he time it would take for them to bust 1 girls who screens (I mean, my statistics mean nothing, I pulled it out of my butt lol just saying...it takes WAY less time and they can round up WAY more women who dont screen, than the time and effort it would take to bring down someone who does)

    We're not infallible though, like if LE sets their sights on us, they will do whatever they can to bust us. In most cases, its because neighbors or hotel employees put in a complaint, and then they will do whatever they can to bring it to a stop.

    Basically though, it really feels like the heirachy of busts goes something like this (in my area at least):

    BP ladies who do not screen
    AMP massage parlours
    Ladies in general (bp or otherwise) who do not screen
    Streetwalkers
    Independent escorts who work out of home (due to suspicion of neighbors)
    Agencies / Agency girls
    Independent escorts who screen (generally speaking)

    Ive never seen/heard of a male escort getting busted
    (Unless hes one of the cross dressers working the streets, and falls within the streetwalker category)

    But basically, the more risks you take, the bigger your odds of getting busted.
    Theres no garuntee you *wont* get busted...but you really lower your odds by screening.
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    Default Re: How do you protect yourself from LE?

    Quote Originally Posted by Yulia Konfetka View Post
    I really hope you can see the benefits of the screening process and take advantage of it! And if you have been doing this for 2 years and never bothered to screen I would say that you are one lucky gal! I am intrigued by that fact, and I am wondering if you have ever had any bad experiences due to not screening. I have just never heard of a girl working for 2 years straight, never screening and never being caught by LE or having a awful experience - at least in these parts! It's just unheard of around here!
    Yea, I was thinking that it would cut down on my business too much to screen, but even if it does some I suppose if that's the best way to protect myself I have to do it. I have personally known girls who have been cited for prostitution or had close run-ins, but I never have. I've done fbsm in San Diego, Miami, Honolulu, Austin, London. The only negative experiences I've had are one time a guy left without paying and another time a guy gave me a fake AMEX gift card (I had him call the number on back to verify the amount on the card and he held it up to my ear when the operator said the amount, but after he left I checked the amount and it was a stolen card. He must have memorized the card number of a legit card is my best guess.) But those experiences are far less than one percent. Of course some guys can be pushy or do things you asked them not to, but most everyone is fine. I can't recall ever feeling in danger or anything.

    That's crazy that they have a room for prostitution at the police station, SMH. I guess it is easy money to fine providers. Incidentally, I came across this article on the web that had some good info on it:

    Thanks for all the advice and support Yulia!

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    I have to think cops consider it more fun to bust female escorts than to get another male in a 'compromising position', especially if they are recording video...

    Quote Originally Posted by BlkSharpie View Post
    You bring up a dang good point! Ive *never* heard of a male escort being busted!!! As a matter of fact, the few times I ever hear about male escorts, its cause they were hired by some politician who got outed..and even then its not like, even an issue or of concern to convict the male escort for prostitution..instead hes an integral part of building a case against the politicians character. Talk about a double standard eh?!!!!!!!<snip>

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    Don't overlook the 'wrong time / wrong place' factor. A local MA bust occurred because the police were putting a (lower end) hotel out of business because the owner didn't cooperate with LE. Quote from http://tewksbury.patch.com/articles/prostitution-arrests-at-two-tewksbury-motels:"The arrests came on the same day testimony ended in the Motel Caswell Federal Forfeiture trial. Federal prosecutors have argued that the motel has been a hotbed of criminal activity for many years and that owner Russ Caswell has not taken appropriate action to cub the activity." Yes, none of us would stay at that particular hotel, but if LE sets up a sting at a location for whatever reason and you're there that day, busted.
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    <snip>And yes, the police go after low hanging fruit first and formost.<snip>

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    Jeez...I believe it though. On my local forum, ladies do often send out warnings that the police are staking out certain hotels so to not book there.

    Its not foulproof, but it is also why I prefer to stay in upper end hotels. I just dont want to put myself in the position where so many other working girls are too. When I hear that a particular hotel is provider friendly I also feel uneasy about it, cause it means to me that *everyone* is going to book there. Id rather go where Im the exception, not the norm.
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    I notice a lot of girls state in their ads that they do not accept text messages. Is this to avoid a concrete transcript? I suppose to do a wire tap cops would have to get a warent for that and it would be way more trouble. Personally, I always prefer texts just because I hate talking on the phone.

    This is a bit off-topic and also coincidental since we were just talking about this in this thread, but yesterday a guy came by, had me massage him for an hour, finish him, and then refused to pay. I never got his number because he called from a blocked number each time. I can give a good description of him though and I would like to at least warn other girls here (I'm in London right now). Not sure if there are any sites for that that apply to here in the UK, but if anyone knows about one let me know. I imagine it's probably mostly a lost effort. There are so many girls in London of course and I'm sure most of them aren't connected with web resources, but any advice lemme know...

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    Yeah, never accept calls from a blocked phone. Thats the most basic of the basic...you have absolutely no idea then who a guy is. I hate to say it, but you got lucky that all he did was not pay you...it could have been *a lot* worse, and you'd have no idea who he was to report anything. Thats the exact reason they do it...its not out of privacy cause theyre being cautious, its cause the plan to do something and dont want you to have a way to contact or tell anyone who he was.

    Check out SAAFE.info, its an excellent and popular community for ladies in the UK who are providers. Im not sure what you mean really that most of the ladies wouldnt be connected to web resources? But ladies in the UK connect to the internet too... There are a lot of websites, geared towards UK providers. I dont have them all saved since they dont do as much for me.... but I come across them all the time.

    SAAFE.info is a very popular and excellent UK community for escorts, some stuff is specific to them, but I still like lurking about in there for the info, Punternet is an open community, theres another Punter site, forget the name of it but its also big and a few US girls advertise there, but its for UK ladies. Just have to plug some stuff into google to find some info.
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    Default Re: How do you protect yourself from LE?

    Sharpie had a very good point - never accept a blocked call is a basic of the basic steps- especially if you are not going to screen - i am also confused on the paying at the end ??? - I never do anything with out my funds up front and timely - if they dont pay pretty quick upon arrival i make an exit - Not to sound offensive but - the only time I know of girls getting their money at the end ( or not getting it ) is when rookie ladies are starting out and they don't know any better - maybe it is different in other areas ?? but here it is always upfront

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