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    Since having a disastrous 3 weeks on cam (barely making $200 a week), last night i asked my friend to let me borrow their super awesome laptop with the i7 core.

    Now my streaming is awesome lookinG. No catches or glitches, the audio is wonderful..and it's cool. i can even run the encoder well.

    So...

    Where is my traffic? It;s still slow as molasses when it comes to people in my room, which sucks.
    And why oh why am i still stuck at the bottom of the 3rd page, when i have a 5 star rating and ALL the little boxes above my head?

    i even opted in for the stupid television thing to see if it would help.

    i worked on cam for 6 hours last night and made a grand total of $2.

    i worked on cam for 4 hours today to try and get my check up to $200 (i was sitting on $195) and i barely made it to $201 before it flipped into this week.

    i use audio. i talk to people, i'm engaging, i don't just sit there when i have people come into my room..and when i don't i make sure i still do something so i don't have the blank face.

    i've done everything i know to do. These measly checks are NOT acceptable.
    "I've seen whole armies turn and run away and he'd just swagger off back to his TARDIS and open the doors with a snap of his fingers. The Doctor in the TARDIS. Next stop, everywhere."

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    Hmmm... that's really weird. Are you 100% certain your stream is okay? Have you double, triple checked that the encoder is set up properly?

    Other than that, I'm honestly kind of stumped. I can't imagine ANY model, even the choppiest no-sound Vietnamese male model wayyyyy on the backpages making $2 in 6 hours. Something's definitely not right!

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    You used to be able to make good money on Streamate without any regulars. Now, since gold shows have been around for awhile now (where top girls often do $5, $3, $2, and even $1 gold shows for long shows INCLUDING free video downloads with their small pledge), I'm pretty sure 99% of girls on Streamate now make 95% of their money off regulars. The other 5% dominate the gold show category, where 5% of the girls doing gold shows are making 95% of gold show money.

    So just work a lot and build regulars at this point. It takes time. Streamate is not how it used to be AT ALL pre-gold shows. And it never will be again, sadly. It has kinda gone the MFC route at this point, only Streamate still (selectively) enforces the no-shows-in-free-chat rule.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlamourRouge View Post
    You used to be able to make good money on Streamate without any regulars. Now, since gold shows have been around for awhile now (where top girls often do $5, $3, $2, and even $1 gold shows for long shows INCLUDING free video downloads with their small pledge), I'm pretty sure 99% of girls on Streamate now make 95% of their money off regulars. The other 5% dominate the gold show category, where 5% of the girls doing gold shows are making 95% of gold show money.

    So just work a lot and build regulars at this point. It takes time. Streamate is not how it used to be AT ALL pre-gold shows. And it never will be again, sadly. It has kinda gone the MFC route at this point.
    Yes, i've been in SM for a little over two years now..and before a month ago i could at least pull in about $500 a week. give or take...and now i work about 5-8 hours a day EVERY day and it's not even minimum wage.

    i HATE gold shows with a passion..and i'm ready to pull my hair out..because i'll be damned if i give away pics or videos just because someone tipped me gold, that i don't even get 100% of.
    "I've seen whole armies turn and run away and he'd just swagger off back to his TARDIS and open the doors with a snap of his fingers. The Doctor in the TARDIS. Next stop, everywhere."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smurfette View Post
    Hmmm... that's really weird. Are you 100% certain your stream is okay? Have you double, triple checked that the encoder is set up properly?
    Yes, i've quadruple checked it. and it all looks fine. other than maybe a 5 second delay..it's good.

    See why i'm stumped?
    "I've seen whole armies turn and run away and he'd just swagger off back to his TARDIS and open the doors with a snap of his fingers. The Doctor in the TARDIS. Next stop, everywhere."

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    Default Re: ok SM What am i doing wrong?

    have you set a schedule in your profile page? If you have not, do this immediately as it drastically improves placement. Also getting referrals via your cammodels link improves your placement.



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    Quote Originally Posted by OJenni! View Post
    have you set a schedule in your profile page? If you have not, do this immediately as it drastically improves placement. Also getting referrals via your cammodels link improves your placement.
    YES i have a schedule.

    and i don't do the cammdels link. it was too complicated for me to understand.

    This isn't helping my current problem though.
    "I've seen whole armies turn and run away and he'd just swagger off back to his TARDIS and open the doors with a snap of his fingers. The Doctor in the TARDIS. Next stop, everywhere."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orchidina View Post

    This isn't helping my current problem though.
    Have you tried a different site? And I feel like you're being awful... confrontational (?) for someone asking for help.

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    That because there's no traffic. I don't know what they've changed about their advertising/marketing but the traffic isn't the same and it hasn't been for a while. You can have an i7 computer, the fastest internet known to man, the best HD cam, the best rating, but if there isn't any traffic then all that fancy stuff doesn't matter. You can't make any money if there's nobody in or coming to your room.

    At first I thought it was just me but over the past couple of months I've seen more and more models complain about having constant $5-$60 days. People can say "oh everyone has a slow day" but when its a week/'s, a month/'s, an more then one person is complaining its hard for me to believe that "oh its just a slow day".

    I'd try directing your own traffic to your room. Maybe try marketing yourself on youtube, twitter, etc. Or like someone else said try a new site or c4s.
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    I've been asking the same question and I have a great computer and good internet connection and I'm using the encoder with a Logitech C920. I finally bit the bullet and took geo blocking off. So I saw that tonight I was in the top row of the New Models category and either towards the bottom of the first page for all models or at the first position of the 2nd page and I had lots more traffic and had the same hustle and $0 after 2 - 2.5 hours.

    I am making 53% of my income off one regular and just hoping to get more like him. I really hate the whole Gold Show idea. I've paid to watch several models' Gold Shows to pick up tips and tricks, but just don't see how it's a good thing for me. Seems that everyone is just driving towards the lowest common denominator, and that's just not a winning situation.

    I did set a schedule and today I took a very close look at the days/hours I did well and the days/hours I did not do well and am adjusting accordingly.

    Hope it gets better for both of us!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by StephanieXS View Post
    Have you tried a different site? And I feel like you're being awful... confrontational (?) for someone asking for help.
    i'm not trying to be confrontational..i'm frustrated. i can understand a bad day or two..but i am sitting here on *weeks* of slow days/bad days.

    At first i thought it was the crappy laptop i was using..so my friend let me borrow his really good one. But then nothing changed. At all. i worked 4 hours tonight (7pm - 11pm) and made $0.
    The traffic is still slow, i get people just popping in and out of my room without saying anything, or are freeloaders.

    When people do stay to chat, they don't get shows "I'm broke right now" "I don't get paid until x day" etc etc.

    i've signed up on MFC but i've done token sites before and i don't do well on them..

    i'm just glad i have a vanilla job i start on Monday...but until then...my money is dwindling.
    "I've seen whole armies turn and run away and he'd just swagger off back to his TARDIS and open the doors with a snap of his fingers. The Doctor in the TARDIS. Next stop, everywhere."

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    Yeah, SM seems crazy bad right now. And I'm someone who is happy with 50$/day (usually easy to me to make that in a couple hours).

    I think unless you have a large following/regulars it sucks on SM currently. Not sure if that is going to change or not, but it's probably good that you have a back-up job.

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    have you ever thought about switching up your cam persona/style?

    I've never seen you on cam, so this isn't intended as a slight or thinly veiled bitchiness. I have no idea how you present yourself or how you work your room. I'm mentioning it only because I do know that the demographics of the site seem to be changing slightly. Hell, the features of the site itself are changing, as GR mentioned above. That isn't necessarily a bad thing, though, if you're able to figure out a way to adapt to the new reality. Whatever your current style, maybe think about who your current persona appeals to most, and if that matches the customer base of the site?

    When people do enter your room you want them to stay and spend, and what you're doing now isn't causing them to do that. I'm not trying to insult you, so I hope I'm not coming off like that. All I'm trying to saying is that I've found that creativity and the ability to adapt is really integral to success in this business. If I did everything the same way I did things two years ago in my niche I'd have been pushed out of the business by now. Sites change quickly, the entire industry changes quickly, so we always need to be prepared to adjust our game.

    While I completely empathize with your frustration, one positive is that with you starting a vanilla job next week you'll have an alternative source of income, and as such can take a few calculated risks. You could try a new site, you could start making content, but an additional option could be altering your camming style, your look, the feel of your room. There's never any guarantees, but making a choice to try something new is more empowering than sitting on cam feeling frustrated.

    I wish you good luck and tons of $$$$$ whatever you decide to do

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    Wow, my traffic is up, my daily goals are being met easily & having fun on SM. Been doing better & better on there all the time.

    Sometimes it is a mind set. No negativity allowed.

    The cam model link is super easy to do. Go back & read everything on SM.

    Camming & being online working is part of the job. Marketing Marketing Marketing is the other part.
    Heck today I made $50 without even logging on from the 20% on my cammodels link. It all adds up.
    I do about 2 to 5 hours a day with marketing alone. It pays off when I am on cam & getting converting
    traffic into privates & exclusives.

    http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/marketing-porn

    http://blog.kissmetrics.com/twitter-marketing-guide/

    http://streamate.tumblr.com/

    http://www.socialmediaexaminer.com/1...from-the-pros/

    http://www.mindjumpers.com/blog/2012...ing-on-tumblr/

    Find a way to do cute but pg short clips on youtube for marketing your tumblr & twitter accts.

    Yes, you will have to invest time & effort. Wonderful thing about the web, you know pretty fast what is working & what isn't. Hate it when girls dismiss the marketing end of this business yet complain about NOT making money. Cause truly are you doing all it takes to be successful?

    .
    Then there is clips4sale. Make clips when it is slow, convert & upload them.

    Good Luck,
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    This is pure and utter speculation, but based on the changes described by a few people here lately, (plus, I hate to say it, possibly the Manwin thing), perhaps SM is being advertised in different corners of the internet than before. Perhaps we are getting a wave of new clients who have come to SM when the aesthetic advertised of SM to them was specific, and they have flocked, hoping to find it. In which case, I think that's a stupid idea when the aesthetic of SM performers is so varied. Although, now I think about it, SM no doubt will promote the kind of aesthetic they see doing the best, always.

    Perhaps though, Sam should not be surprised that she is doing so well, because she is working SM the way she is: by actively promoting her cammodels link and making very productive use of marketing. For that reason I don't think that Sams success and the OPs lack of success are in any way linked.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Orchidina View Post
    i'm not trying to be confrontational..i'm frustrated. i can understand a bad day or two..but i am sitting here on *weeks* of slow days/bad days.

    At first i thought it was the crappy laptop i was using..so my friend let me borrow his really good one. But then nothing changed. At all. i worked 4 hours tonight (7pm - 11pm) and made $0.
    The traffic is still slow, i get people just popping in and out of my room without saying anything, or are freeloaders.

    When people do stay to chat, they don't get shows "I'm broke right now" "I don't get paid until x day" etc etc.

    i've signed up on MFC but i've done token sites before and i don't do well on them..

    i'm just glad i have a vanilla job i start on Monday...but until then...my money is dwindling.

    For me it´s the same 2,5 hours for zero money.. And I think the next shifts... I bought higher speed, have encoder before that, sounds..but not that Gold show button. It´s very quiet. When I log in, then guys come in, but just popping in and out, when somebody stays there, he let me know I´m wow, hot etc., but then go away...I´m not just sitting, usually dancing ´cause for me just sitting it´s too bored.

    I got a new MFC account, but I know that it´s going to be hard, not so fast money..What I need it´s just fast money. I cannot stay online 24/hours per day ´cause I have to study a lot. And it´s very slow for any other sites too.. I tried to find any other sites,but all have this slow time now. I tried to sale my clips too, but all this customers waiting some free stuf or meetings or something. I tried to tipping chat system couple of sites and noticed that it`s for poor guys only tried to trick performs show all free...and there is always somebody who show first all in free and then waiting tips from customers =)

    I always scheduled my times. I know it´s very important but it´s not enough if trafic lost and I even have no Gold show button =(

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orchidina View Post
    i'm not trying to be confrontational..i'm frustrated. i can understand a bad day or two..but i am sitting here on *weeks* of slow days/bad days.

    At first i thought it was the crappy laptop i was using..so my friend let me borrow his really good one. But then nothing changed. At all. i worked 4 hours tonight (7pm - 11pm) and made $0.
    The traffic is still slow, i get people just popping in and out of my room without saying anything, or are freeloaders.

    When people do stay to chat, they don't get shows "I'm broke right now" "I don't get paid until x day" etc etc.

    i've signed up on MFC but i've done token sites before and i don't do well on them..

    i'm just glad i have a vanilla job i start on Monday...but until then...my money is dwindling.
    Shit and I thought my $50 in 4 hrs was bad....

    But there is definitely something wrong. Yesterday I was on the middle of page 2, I had around 5 people in my room at any point in time and I managed to pull in $150 in the 4 hrs I was online, then my internet crapped out on me. I had to be somewhere by 9am this morning so I ended up calling it a night early and heading to bed.

    Tonight I was mid page 1 and my traffic was good (between 5-20 people in my free chat at any given point), however not a single person was spending. If it was not for my referrals spending, and the 2 (yes count em' two) privates I got I would have not even made two pennies to rub together! It was pathetic. $50 in my pocket and 4 hrs online, I just had to call it a night.



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    I think business is directed to certain models only and the rest suffer a drastic change in income on SM, if all performers on SM would have access to this site/ forum u guys would see alot more complains.

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    OP I'm sorry you are having a hard time of it. My tip is to pretend that there are lots of people in your room talking to you. Laugh at their (imaginary) jokes, answer their questions etc. It creates the illusion of a busy room. If you can't dream up the questions then have a busy room (perhaps a TV gold show) running on your browser and respond to the people in her room. It's that silly thing where as soon as one guy wants to private they ALL want to. Yet, if no one does then (at least for me) I end up sitting getting less active, more miserable and frustrated and go on a downwards spiral. I honestly think that 'fake it until you make it' works pretty well on SM. I talk to myself often on SM, and I'm usually in the top row or two.
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    Somebody call the WAHHHHmbulance.


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    You brought up two different issues in your post. Traffic and placement. They are two different things but they are somewhat linked.

    SM has never officially come out and stated the 'formula' for placement. Just that if you have top equipment, use the encoder blah blah blah, you will have better placement. (You can also read the thread where it was debated and IMO disproved that studios get preferred placement) It seems that you have everything you need to get good placement.

    For traffic- Affiliates drive most of the traffic to the site. If you have geoblocking enabled in any capacity you will not be included in promotions. This means they will not be driving traffic specifically to your room and you will be relying on customers already on the site selecting you from the homepage. If you dont have geoblocking on, then the more you work, and the more gold shows you do, the more likely it is an affiliate will pick them up and 'pimp' you out- driving traffic specifically to you.

    This is also why it seems like studios get more traffic. because affiliates tend to promote studio models over independent models. For an affiliate promoting a studio model is a safer move. They tend to work more ( so when they post the link theres a greater chance the customer will click it and find the model live) which in turn equals better conversion rates, and they tend to have more 'good quality' content available. (good quality meaning- the exact opposite of everything posted in the how not to be recorded and posted on tube site threads. Dont play copyrighted music. Dont say user names. Keep your shows 'generic'. Show your face. Dont have brand name items on cam, like pepsi cans or band posters behind you)

    There are only so many places out there an affiliate can 'spam' effectively before they start competing with themselves, so they have to post wisely. If the affiliates are not 'choosing' you, theres nothing you can do about it, or if they are and the traffic thats coming is all freeloaders, again- youre out of luck.

    Your only choices are to drive your own traffic (like Sam does) or rely on the traffic that is already on the site. Make sure your profile/display pic is good quality and your profile is accurate/free from spelling errors. Your prices are are competitive for what you offer etc.. Sometimes just a fresh pic every so often brings in traffic (guys who are on the site already) because guys see it and its like 'heys thats new, whos that' and theyll look. Rather then passing over the same blonde in the blue top in the third row they already wrote off because the last time they werent interested for whatever reason.

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    Sam, thank you so much for sharing how you are marketing. Two to five hours DAILY! I'm amazed and I had no idea Streamate had a tumblr account.

    I've tried marketing my link with little success but I've spent more like 2 hours a week, never that much in a day (and I really had no idea how to do it other than p;osting it to twitter and occasionally on a link exchange).

    I'm going to get going on this right away, and hell if we all do some short video clips and market Streamate and get guys in it can't help but be good for us all because they will spend on many different hosts eventually.


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    I am pretty sure that sm placement is based on how much you make per hour you spend on line, and other thinks, too like a good stream and using sound and the encoder.
    I make about around 40--50 hours and I am the front page, that said my check for this and last week was only around 300, This why I am pretty sure that sm placement is done by the amount of money you make per hour not the amount of money you make per week...

    I think putting in long hour and only making 5 bucks is hurting your placement.

    I do know from personal experience that cammodels joins do boost your placement,

    I don't know why and I don't know how but guys are really good at reading emotions and feeling that we are not even aware that we are giving off, its like they can see the frustration and desperation in your eyes even when one is smiling

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    Default Re: ok SM What am i doing wrong?

    I feel your pain, OP, and I agree with many of the previous posts...especially GlamourRouge's. I'd love to be able to make $100 on Streamate in just a couple hours. I already have the proper internet connection, webcam, lighting, etc., but the i7 laptop is something I'm planning on purchasing within the next month or so. Maybe then I'll be able to splitcam SM with one other site, without any problems. The laptop I currently have just needs to GO.....

    This thread has just reminded me to go on Twitter and replace my SM link (in my profile) with my cammodels link.
    My referral link for models to join the Boleyn Models daily pay program
    https://cammodelpay.com/ref?page=&campaign=&affToken=NDcx

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    Default Re: ok SM What am i doing wrong?

    I think it's also important to keep in mind that placement doesn't change automatically, over night, or even over a few days. If you have new equipment or you have changed something up, you need to give it time before you will see a change in placement. My best guess by judging my own placement is that it takes about a week or so for you to see any real shift in placement.

    I have also found that the more I am talking, standing up moving around, smiling, etc the more people stay in my room and go private or join a gold show. You have to LOOK like you could care less about how many people are there or how much money you are making. I know it's really hard to do, but no one wants to drop money on a girl who appears boring or upset, when they have hundreds of other girls on the site to choose from who LOOK like they are happy and having fun.

    The reality is that our economy sucks and stands the chance to get worse before it gets better... guys are going to start becoming WAY more selective about who they spend their money on, and how much they are willing to spend. I personally started having a harder time getting gold show joins and privates, but once I changed up my attitude and made sure I always LOOK like I don't have a care in the world, the money came back in. It's hard to do, but this is all an acting job, and it gets easier the longer you do it.

    I second the cammodels link too. The only place I advertise is twitter and I make roughly $50-200 a week off cammodels alone.
    xoxo ~ Sarah




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    Default Re: ok SM What am i doing wrong?

    I see it all as a game or as a fun challenge.
    How can I improve my looks?
    How can I improve my shows?
    How can I improve my conversion rates
    How can I improve my marketing?
    How can I improve my equipment?

    In my opinion, we just can't be just a cam girl. We have to drive our own traffic. I love that SM gives us 40% & 20% more for recruiting new customers. Yesterday I made $50, but I also helped other girls make $65. It all builds to our advantage to become major traffic brokers. And if you decide to leave or do things like c4s & such you have a built in traffic base to do it with.
    Marketing is easy to do while watching a movie or tv. To be a bit more productive during the down time of your day.

    Twitter & tumblr are awesome. How much does it take between cam shows to take a quick pic & post it with your cammodels link? Add a few hashtag key words in like #tits #livecam #streamate #sexy #bigbutt or whatever describes the pic & you best. This will get you new followers & new cam customers. Not to mention fun to be a bit creative with the pics & marketing. I love the responses & sales I do get when done right.

    Fact is affiliate's are NOT doing well at all. A few years ago a great affiliate site brought in $10,000 a month, now this same affiliate site barely does $1000. Social media & tube sites have really cut that market. But also due to those factors, we the girls ourselves have more ability to do it ourselves & easily to drive direct traffic to our own endeavors. (I LoVE THIS!) Truly saddens me to see so many girls pish posh this opportunity away.

    So if it is dead on cam. Log off make some clips, do some marketing & then 20 to 30 minutes later go back to it with a new fresh attitude that you can make major money. Hell, I've done many sph or humilation clips after getting pissed off due to losers & freeloaders. I do something productive & get that out of my system, then later upload it onto c4s & make money off of it. lol

    Currently trending on twitter #sexysunday & #thingsGirlsSayAlot Take a pic, tweet it & say something cute or funny along with your cammodels link.

    When is the last time you changed out your profile pic?

    Change rooms where you cam. I've done dishes plenty of times on cam.

    There is always something you can be doing to get past a slump or to take it to the next level. Dont let the negativity take over & keep you from making what you need.

    Also on SM I've found that if I just cam until I make $100 then quit, my placement goes down. You've got to push & get past that level. It wasn't easy, but I did it with marketing & determination. I used to be on the bottom of the third page. Now, top of the 1st. Now, if my old fat ass can do it, so can you.

    I can't say enough about the book "The secret". REad it, watch the movie. It does work.

    Good Luck Ladies,
    Smooches,
    Sam


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