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    Did any of you ladies that went from non-vegan to vegan diets find the transition/change easy or difficult? Any tips/advice on how to make it easier? Me and my boyfriend eat relatively healthy (occasional vices do happen, mine is Doritos). I gain/lose weight easy and have a hard time waking up in the am, and he has a very difficult time losing toning up/losing weight (even tho he works out 3-4 days a week, I think his metabolism is super low). I just think changing our diets would help, but neither of us know proper steps or baby steps to take. I have purchased some vegan cookbooks or "uncook books", but nothing really says how to make the transition smooth and non complicated, if at all. Seems like the books were directed towards those who are fully in the lifestyle already. Any advice is appreciated. Thank you ladies in advance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovelydancer View Post
    Did any of you ladies that went from non-vegan to vegan diets find the transition/change easy or difficult? Any tips/advice on how to make it easier? Me and my boyfriend eat relatively healthy (occasional vices do happen, mine is Doritos). I gain/lose weight easy and have a hard time waking up in the am, and he has a very difficult time losing toning up/losing weight (even tho he works out 3-4 days a week, I think his metabolism is super low). I just think changing our diets would help, but neither of us know proper steps or baby steps to take. I have purchased some vegan cookbooks or "uncook books", but nothing really says how to make the transition smooth and non complicated, if at all. Seems like the books were directed towards those who are fully in the lifestyle already. Any advice is appreciated. Thank you ladies in advance!
    I would only add:

    If you're making that transition for moral/ethical/religious reasons, I can respect that, even though it can be debated.

    If you're doing it because you think being a vegan is default healthier than being an omnivore (the natural diet of human beings...) you'd be mistaken.


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    It's purely for health/dietary reasons. While we both eat healthy, once I slip up in my diet it's hard for me to recover somewhat immediately (then he slips up because I did). I think if our diet is more strict, then we'll be less likely to slip up. Plus we both want an energy level boost, and I'm thinking this change will do that. Maybe I'm being naive about it, I just want to make sure we are still eating healthy and take the proper steps towards this change that I think will be beneficial for us.

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    Why not go Paleo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovelydancer View Post
    It's purely for health/dietary reasons. While we both eat healthy, once I slip up in my diet it's hard for me to recover somewhat immediately (then he slips up because I did). I think if our diet is more strict, then we'll be less likely to slip up.
    The stricter the diet, the more likely you are to "slip up" as a rule. A balanced diet you can maintain long term, with occasional "cheat" days to enjoy something you crave, is what works long term and yields long term results in health and body comp.

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    Plus we both want an energy level boost, and I'm thinking this change will do that.
    There's no physiological or metabolic reason it would.

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    Maybe I'm being naive about it, I just want to make sure we are still eating healthy and take the proper steps towards this change that I think will be beneficial for us.
    A balanced well designed omnivore diet that focuses on vegis, fruits, healthy fats, and lean protein is the superior diet and what the longest lived cultures on earth tend to eat.

    Sounds like there's plenty of room for improvement in your nutrition before going vegan, but that's your choice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shasta View Post
    Why not go Paleo?
    Although I have my issues with Paleo, it's much closer to "A balanced well designed omnivore diet that focuses on vegis, fruits, healthy fats, and lean protein" mentioned above than vegan to be sure.
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    ^ She seems to want an eating lifestyle that is really structured. That is why I used the "term."

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    What is Paleo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shasta View Post
    ^ She seems to want an eating lifestyle that is really structured. That is why I used the "term."
    Ah, good point!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lovelydancer View Post
    What is Paleo?
    Nutrition based on the research of Dr. Loren Cordain:

    http://thepaleodiet.com/

    Many others have jumped on the bandwagon, but he's the actual researcher who started it all.
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    Structure is definitely a better word than strict. Said exactly what I was thinking. I definitely will check out the website!

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    Sorry to be a bitch Will, but the word is "veggies," not "vegis."

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    Quote Originally Posted by shasta View Post
    Sorry to be a bitch Will, but the word is "veggies," not "vegis."

    Bitch!
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    I know someone who went vegan, cutting the meats and dairy slowly. Not cold turkey. He's happy with the change. Told me he has more energy, no bad cravings, better digestion, lean body, and looks/feels younger. It works for some people and they're happy with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shasta View Post
    Why not go Paleo?
    Paleo here! enjoying sauteeed kale as we speak
    "Fake tits are like Kevlar. They don't guarantee your chances of survival but they sure as hell improve it."
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    Default Re: Non-vegan to vegan

    one thing i would really reccomend is to add vegan meals before cutting out other things completely. if you learn to cook some delicious vegan entrees, desserts etc then it'll be relatively easy to go without, but if you go cold turkey and then have a weird experimental period where you don't really know what you're doing, it'll be a lot more tempting to go back to meat/dairy to find something more satisfying. good luck!

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    To start me and my boyfriend are going to slowly incorporate vegan dishes. We figured to start 3-4 dinners a week we can make vegan, and the others non-vegan...until maybe over the course of a month or two eliminating meat entirely. We were looking over recipes today...they had a lot of variety, not too pricey, and looked soooooooo yummy! I'm so ready and excited for this.

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    I'm vegan-Haven't eaten animal products for about 12 years. I sometimes think it would be so much easier had I had the society we have now, it's so much easier to find alternative foods nowadays and it's not so frowned upon. If you are health-concious and it's not just for moral reasons (I mean, you could go vegan and live off french fries and chicken substitutes but I think you want to do it for your body as well rather than like that) then it is much easier to be healthy if you cut out animal proteins and fats.
    Its' quite interesting a project to do, to start to cook new things. I use grains,beans, legumes, spices,different breads, vegetables, pates, oils,nutritional yeast, and a tiny part of my diet is vegan convenience foods-usually only if cooking for somebody else!
    Feel free to use me, I would say PM me if you have any specific questions or need recipe substitutes or alternatives, but it may be beneficial for others to read so ask on this thread if you prefer!
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    Staying on a vegan diet can be next to impossible. It is really hard. If you are just dieting to feel better, and lose weight I think you would be very satisfied with a paleo like diet. I tried eating vegan for a week and was just soooo annoyed and hungry and annoyed and had a huge headache almost the entire time. But I have a super busy schedule so I need to be able to grab food out a lot so that was a huge factor in why I don't think I'd ever go vegan permenantly, it's too hard to do on the go, requires a loooot of preparation by you to keep it affordable.

    I, Tempest, and many others on this board have done paleo or some variation of it. I lost a lot of weight this year and it was so easy once the transition into a healthy eating regimen was over. I never even went full paleo, I just try to incorporate and follow it as much as possible. There are other things that are out in our food that are so much worse than animal products. Sugar and other "white" carbs in bread products is what is responsible for diabetes rates going through the roof over the last century. Really limiting my bread and sugar intake has had a really good affect on my health, personally, and I'm not saying vegan couldn't also have health benefits, but I think it's just easier to get the same benefits from a paleo oriented diet...something to think about!

    It could also be a matter of different strokes for different folks...there's this theory that suggests that people with different blood types do better on different types of diets. This guy's research suggests that people with an O blood type do best with a more meat-oriented diet, while A's do best on a vegetarian or vegan diet, and B can pretty much eat whatever. I'd be interested to see what board members with which blood types prefer which diet, but that's for another time, this is another thing for you to consider OP when choosing your new diet plan.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_type_diet

    "Blood group O is described by D'Adamo to be the hunter, his perception of the earliest human blood group. The diet recommends that this blood group eat a higher protein diet, presumably since O blood type is alleged by D'Adamo as the first blood type that he believes originated 30,000 years ago. However, research indicates that blood type A is actually the oldest.[10].
    Blood group A is called the agrarian or cultivator by D'Adamo, where he believes a more recently evolved blood type dates from the dawn of agriculture 20,000 years ago. The diet recommends that individuals of blood group A eat a diet emphasizing vegetables and free of red meat, a more vegetarian food intake.
    Blood group B is the nomad says D'Adamo, associated with a strong immune system and a flexible digestive system. He asserts that people of blood type B are the only ones who can thrive on dairy products and D'Adamo estimates blood type B arrived 10,000 years ago. However, this contradicts the fact that people with blood type B tend to be from Asia (specifically, China or India), and not from northern Europe, whereas lactose intolerance is most common among people of Asian, South American, and African descent and least common among those descended from northern Europe or northwestern India.[11][12][13]
    Blood group AB is the enigma as described by D'Adamo, who believes it is the most recently evolved type arriving less than 1,000 years ago. In terms of dietary needs, his blood type diet treats this group as an intermediate between blood types A and B."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Odette View Post
    Staying on a vegan diet can be next to impossible. It is really hard. If you are just dieting to feel better, and lose weight I think you would be very satisfied with a paleo like diet. I tried eating vegan for a week and was just soooo annoyed and hungry and annoyed and had a huge headache almost the entire time. But I have a super busy schedule so I need to be able to grab food out a lot so that was a huge factor in why I don't think I'd ever go vegan permenantly, it's too hard to do on the go, requires a loooot of preparation by you to keep it affordable.
    This is pretty much the key- the best diet is one you can stay on.

    And unfortunately it's not about what you're eating so much as HOW MUCH you're eating. I work with a pretty chunky vegan- foods don't magically lose calories just because they aren't meat, sorry.



    There's a lot out there about the Blood Type diet being under-researched bullshit:

    http://www.vegsource.com/articles/blood_hype.htm

    D'Adamo doesn't understand basic digestion:

    "More to our focus as regards "Leg Three", stomach acid does not digest protein, pepsin does. On page 55 of the blood type diet book it is stated that "type O's can efficiently digest meats" (animal flesh)"because they tend to have high stomach acid content". Hydrochloric acid is necessary for the conversion of pepsinogen (inactive) to pepsin (active). Nonetheless it is pepsin which is responsible for protein digestion, not stomach acid. The optimum pH for pepsin's protein-digesting activity is 2.0, a gastric pH consistent with what is realized by most non-doudenal ulcer patients. When the pH of the stomach drops to below 2.0 and especially at a pH of less than 1.5 (a pH more consistent with HCl hypersecretion) pepsin becomes demonstrably less effective at digesting protein (Lehninger, Biochemistry 2nd edition, p.196). Theoretically a person who hypersecretes HCl would be less able to digest protein. Given this, a "one size fits all" diet theory lumping every blood type O person into a HCl hypersecretor/high animal protein diet will not be health promoting."

    http://www.skepdic.com/bloodtypediet.html

    Ton of good stuff in this one:
    "Peter D'Adamo's reasoning is based on speculative inferences from such "facts" as that type O is the oldest blood type. It isn't. A is the oldest blood type. Studies in humans, chimpanzees, and bonobos show that alleles coding for blood type A are the most ancient version of the ABO blood group. This trait was shared prior to the evolutionary split between chimpanzees and hominids five to six million years ago. B blood type split from A about 3.5 million years ago and O blood type split from A about 2.5 million years ago. "

    "There is no reasonable scientific basis for the claim that blood type should determine one's diet, though Peter claims to have collected "over 1,000 scientific articles on blood types and their correlations to disease, biochemistry, nutrition, and anthropology."* Even so, he's never done a controlled study on blood type diets. "


    http://www.earthsave.org/health/bloodtyp.htm
    "D'Adamo's book contains many scientifically unsatisfying, "one size fits all" statements, like that on page 63, "Type O's do not tolerate whole wheat products at all." Such a statement prompts the question, "What does he mean, 'at all?' " Do Type O's eat a whole wheat cracker and fall on the ground holding their abdomen and vomiting - or worse yet, suffer immediate brain damage due to their blood cells agglutinating throughout their brain? How much wheat can a Type O eat before their blood agglutinates? One hamburger bun? One noodle? "
    ""This condition, called hypothyroidism, occurs because Type O's tend not to produce enough iodine." The reality is that the body does not "produce" iodine at all, any more than it produces calcium, magnesium, sodium, or any other earth mineral. Iodine is a halogen element, related to chlorine and bromine, which is taken up by plants from the soil and in the sea - which are then consumed in the diet. To worry tens of millions of Type O readers that they "may not be producing enough iodine" (which no one does) and are thus at risk for hypothyroidism, is unfounded and, I feel, unnecessarily worrying. "

    "In my opinion, D'Adamo has spun an evolutionary fairy tale that leaves many unanswered questions. What exactly is he proposing happened to Type O hunter-gatherers when the Type A people began growing wheat, barley and other grains? Do Type O people eat a mouthful of barley and fall down in the dust, unable to work and reproduce? Do they then become warlike and club the agrarian people to death because lectins are clogging their intestines? Do the genetic changes to Type A blood type magically appear just before a society grows new grains (allowing them to eat the new grains in the first place), or did Type A blood types emerge after the grains are grown, as the people with Type O blood died out from their blood agglutinating in their brains? And why would so many of the native Indians of North America, classic Type O hunters, go to the trouble of cultivating high-lectin corn (maize)? "

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJa View Post
    This is pretty much the key- the best diet is one you can stay on.

    And unfortunately it's not about what you're eating so much as HOW MUCH you're eating. I work with a pretty chunky vegan- foods don't magically lose calories just because they aren't meat, sorry.
    Word.

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    There's a lot out there about the Blood Type diet being under-researched bullshit:

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    It is...His stuff was popular diet book BS and not taken seriously by anyone in the science/med community. Paleo by Dr Cordain based on legit research he did, even if he's taken the research results to a commercial gain and takes some of it out of context to sell books/diets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odette View Post
    Staying on a vegan diet can be next to impossible. It is really hard.



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    CAN be next to impossible, and 'It is really hard', I partially agree with the first bit but not the second. It can be difficult f you're unprepared, under-researched, and not enthusiastic about it.
    I find it easy, as do the many vegans I know, at least the majority of the time.

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    This is pretty much the key- the best diet is one you can stay on.

    And unfortunately it's not about what you're eating so much as HOW MUCH you're eating. I work with a pretty chunky vegan- foods don't magically lose calories just because they aren't meat, sorry.



    There's a lot out there about the Blood Type diet being under-researched bullshit:

    http://www.vegsource.com/articles/blood_hype.htm

    .
    But yes, I know a lot of vegans, all different body types, some really quite fat!
    Then again, if the OP is already a healthy eater, and just wants to introduce some new healthy foods to her diet whilst making it more difficult for herself to reach for some unhealthy convenience foods, or pick an unhealthy option (two examples of things it's more difficult to do if you're vegan) along with cutting out animal proteins , then I think it may well work for her.
    (As opposed to say, my friend who was overweight, went vegan and actually put ON weight because she was so keen to cook all the time, have dinner parties and try allll the vegan 'treat' foods that she hadn't thought of trying beforehand!





    I also agree the blood type diet,bullshit.

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    Word.



    It is...His stuff was popular diet book BS and not taken seriously by anyone in the science/med community. Paleo by Dr Cordain based on legit research he did, even if he's taken the research results to a commercial gain and takes some of it out of context to sell books/diets.
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    But yes, I know a lot of vegans, all different body types, some really quite fat!
    Then again, if the OP is already a healthy eater, and just wants to introduce some new healthy foods to her diet whilst making it more difficult for herself to reach for some unhealthy convenience foods, or pick an unhealthy option (two examples of things it's more difficult to do if you're vegan) along with cutting out animal proteins , then I think it may well work for her.
    (As opposed to say, my friend who was overweight, went vegan and actually put ON weight because she was so keen to cook all the time, have dinner parties and try allll the vegan 'treat' foods that she hadn't thought of trying beforehand!
    There's definitely people on every sort of diet that are overweight. (I was going to say perhaps fruitarians are exempt but then googled it and apparently some people end up huge from all the sugar).

    What really has helped for me is thinking of food strictly as fuel- eating is NOT something you do for entertainment. I live in 2012- I have the internet, friends, a million potential hobbies, etc... I don't need food to keep me happy.

    Once you start looking at it like this, and really figuring out what macros you need to be eating, you make this natural transition to efficient foods- lean proteins, veggies, fruits, complex carbs. Could I manage the numbers eating processed junk? Probably, but it would be more difficult.

    But I also don't super-restrict myself or label things as EVIL... somebody brought butter tarts to work the other night. I haven't had one since last year. I ate one, enjoyed it, and went to the gym after work, and didn't beat myself up about it. You're not going to die if you eat the occasional cookie- it's about stopping it at that one cookie, rather than mainlining the whole bag.

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    I'm a carnivore to the core but I'm not going to lie, there are some amazing vegan dishes out there. I had a friend take me to a vegan restaurant and I ordered lentils, collard greens, vegan mac'n'cheese and vegan chocolate cake and that shit was bangin' I'm STILL dreaming about that cake and mac'n'cheese.

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    I have to agree about not using food as entertainment. It's one thing if you are hosting a party or nice dinner, but food should not be the "go-to" hobby. I saw something on pinterest that reminded me of this, "we are people, not puppies, so dont use food as a reward". It made me giggle. I know me and him need a more strict diet (not necessarily saying foods are evil, just resisting temptation to buy them/keep them around). I think if we can wean onto more health conscious foods, we wont crave the crappy ones as much. We do eat pretty healthy regardless, but we wanted to raise the stakes. I really want us to protect our bodies and be as healthy as possibly, not just for a vanity or weight thing, but to possibly prevent future health problems. I wanna keep him around for a long time, and I wanna stick around a long time too.

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    Last Post: 05-03-2008, 02:19 PM

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