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    There are a lot of girls on SW these days who seem to be new to the cam world, so i thought I'd post a thread about a scam someone tried to run on me recently. I knew from the moment I read his profile that he was a scam artist, but I contacted him anyway to prove a point.

    He was a brand new member on a site of mine, calling himself "RichLawyerUS"(the account is no longer active, since I reported him, so I think it's okay to post the name.) Red flag #1: 80% of the most generous guys I've ever had the pleasure of working with on cam sites DON'T BRAG about how much money they have, or how much they've spent on girls, ESPECIALLY not in their username, because then they'll just get harassed all day by girls wanting their money. The ONLY reason someone would make a name like that is to get attention from someone desperate.

    He said he was a recently divorced lawyer looking for a princess to spoil, and that his last princess got $2,000 a month! Wow, sounds great, right?! He said he also REFUSED to do ay communicating on cam sites, and would only talk on Skype. Red flag #2: Plenty of guys have a problem with the fact that so much of their tips, contributions, and show rates goes to the sites themselves, but they live with it, or they find SAFE ways of spoiling you, such as gift codes, while still maintaining contact through the cam site. The second a guy tells you he has no intentions of spending money or even COMMUNICATING on your site, you need to block him and move on. Once contact goes off-site, there's no protection for you. None. You're completely on your own. If something happens, SM, MFC, etc can't do anything about it becasue none of the communication happened there.

    He gives me his Skype and I add him. He asks me if I'm free for a show, I say yes, and he asks me how to pay. I tell him I'd like an Amazon gift code, and he says no. ONLY PAYPAL. I mention that I have CCBill, and that it's safe and secure, but again, he INSISTS ON PAYPAL.Red flag #3: if a guy insists on paypal, he has every intention of scamming you in some way, whether it be what this guy did, or with a chargeback. Now, i was about 90% sure I wasn't getting anything, so i told a male friend what I was doing and asked if I could use his account for the experiment, under the condition that if I actually did get money, we'd split it. So, I give him the information and he tells me he's sent something. What my friend recieves in his e-mail inbox is absolutely hilarious.

    Attachment 32299

    How do i know this is fake, aside from the obvious fact there's no mention of it in my friend's Paypal account?

    1, The date isn't even there. it just has a month. Not to mention, the time he sent it was different from the time given in the e-mail. He claimed to have sent the money at 7:54 GMT.
    2. Any time someone sends yoy money through Paypal for ANYTHING -Ebay, gift from a family member, etc - it comes from [email protected], NOT [email protected]. But, again, you shouldn't be accepting Paypal for shows anyway!
    3.Barclays is a British bank currently embroiled in a HUGE scandal over fixing interest rates. I highly doubt anyone that works for the company would be supid enough, especially RIGHT NOW, to try buying a cam show online using A COMPANY ACCOUNT.
    4. He told me he was a lawyer, but this says it came from the Human Resources department at Barclays!
    5. if I had received something from Paypal, it would have had my friend's name in it somewhere. this has nothing of the sort.


    So, I went back to Skype and played it cool. I said "Oh, the e-mail says it'll take up to 24 hours for the money to clear! We'll do the show tomorrow!". He told me he wouldn't be on tomorrow, or the next day, and that I should just "forget it" and refund him when it clears. He then signed off.

    He signed on again today, and I decided to confront him.
    [3:05:19 PM] Marpico Lorenzo: hii
    [3:06:13 PM] Pearl Forester: Hi.
    [3:06:22 PM] Pearl Forester: You sent me a fake e-mail.
    [3:06:25 PM] Pearl Forester: How do you feel?
    [3:06:34 PM] Marpico Lorenzo: what??
    [3:06:46 PM] Pearl Forester: Did you really thyink i was going to fall for something that didn't even have THE DATE AND TIME in it?

    He blocked me at that point.

    So, what did we learn today?

    You must ALWAYS have your guard up, and you must ALWAYS make sure e-mails you recieve are legitimate.

    DON'T' take a relationship off-site unless a guy has proven to you that he is serious about being a regular customer and has spent real money on you.

    DON'T ACCEPT PAYPAL.

    USE YOUR BRAIN. If something sounds too good to be true, it is. We're all adults here, so there's no reason for anyone to fall for such a terrible attempt as a scam as this.

    Oh - and he wasn't American. His Skype profile said he lived in France.


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    Default Re: Another reason not to trust guys who want to take relationships off site/use Payp

    I'd be careful about even using your friend's account for that though. If the transaction was real and Paypal found out or the guy tried to blackmail you by turning you in to Paypal, your friend could be fined $500 and lose his Paypal account. Not worth losing a friend eh?


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    Quote Originally Posted by laurielegs View Post
    I'd be careful about even using your friend's account for that though. If the transaction was real and Paypal found out or the guy tried to blackmail you by turning you in to Paypal, your friend could be fined $500 and lose his Paypal account. Not worth losing a friend eh?
    He knew the risks. He never uses his account anyway so he didn't care.

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    Wow this guy is a stupid scam artist. Thanks for sharing!

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    Great Post Jaana!
    I just gotta be me!

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    all day today i kept saying this aint burger king or mcdonalds u cant have it ur way till u pay then a guy was all i just want a sample im all this aint baskin robins either

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    I was just thinking about opening a Skype account, thanks for the warning!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lala land View Post
    I was just thinking about opening a Skype account, thanks for the warning!
    Jeu, now.
    Skype is awesome to use for shows IF YOU'RE GETTING PAID. If you wanna do private Skype shows for your custies on cam sites that's fine, as long as they pay you on that site! If you're going indie, both Domino's Damsels and Cam Model Directory has payment processors you can use, too.

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    Same thing with AW Skype booking. They book the Skype show through AW and once you accept it, then AW would send them another email that you have accepted to do the show and now they must confirm on their end at which time AW would charge them and the AW email system would tell the performers that everything is all set, but the scam is they never do the final confirmation but they will tell you they have and that our system maybe taking a while to show that he did the final confirmation and some would even go as far as sending me a fake confirmation email to prove that they did the final confirmation but I never fall for it and tell them our system is pretty good in sending confirmation emails directly to our personal email so the Skype show is not going to happen until I get the notification directly from our system at which the loser continues to begin me to add him to Skype while we wait for the system to send it to me.
    NOW, if someone ask for Skype booking I tell them I only accept Skype from someone who has been in private with me before lol.

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    lol ^^^

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    I lol'd at him blocking you. He had some nerve blocking you. Great post btw.

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    Been getting a lot of guys on extra Lunch Money that want me to use Paypal, so I'm bumping this as a reminder. ELM has an awesome interface for doing transactions so I can't see any other reason for a gy wanting to take stuff off-site other than scamming you.

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    Wow! I had a guy on skype say that he had tipped me and forged a tip receipt from MFC! When I called him on it, he started calling me names. I blocked him!! Wish I would have saved his fake tip receipt...

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    Default Re: Another reason not to trust guys who want to take relationships off site/use Payp

    some people have a lot of nerve. They try to scam us then when we don't fall for it they block us or they become abusive because we're not as stupid as they thought we were.

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    While I do find it amusing these so and so's have a list of scams 'wanting something for nothing' I stand firmly by my 'I only ever take credits no offline sh!t' its not worth my time. I myself have had countless guys do the 'paypal' thing on me and it always ends in me saying no. Sometimes doing this job does leave me feeling less trusting to people especially men.
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    Never take paypal for a cam show!!! It is not worth the risks.

    Everything stated in this thread about the tactics scammers use is true. Plenty of them are also just stalling just to waste your time for nothing, because any attention is still attention. Also in the case of subs, they may be stalling just to piss you off and make you want to berate them, in which case they get their "show" for free.

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    This guy tried to do a scam Amazon Gift Card. I get them all the time so I knew. Always redeem. Never do a show without confirmation even if they're ringing your bloody Skype off. Which his was. Probably felt I'd feel pressure to start but I'm a bitch & I always get paid first!!!
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    He said he used to be the highest tipper on Naked.com. But he lost his job so now he scams. I told him what it feels like to a girl after she does all that shit and doesn't get paid. That she may not pay a bill, baby go hungry or even a boyfriend gets upset and hits her for getting scammed. I know that's extreme but I wanted to make a point. He said he thought the girls did it for fun. And I said they probably cry because its not like be asked for easy show. He wanted Dp, role play and outfits.
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    Babybunny I've had a couple of guys do that same thing with the Amazon card! Then they get all pushy, 'please can't we just do the show?' No, dickfuck, we cannot do the show until I have redeemed the CODE for the Amazon E-GIFT CARD. If you think sending me a receipt for a PHYSICAL gift card is going to have me chomping at the bit, nice try. Amazon gift cards NEVER take more than a couple of minutes to send to your email account. If you've been waiting for an hour (hell, more than 10-15 minutes even) with no email from Amazon and the guy is hassling you to do the show, chances are no gift card was actually bought and he's a scammer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timor View Post
    Babybunny I've had a couple of guys do that same thing with the Amazon card! Then they get all pushy, 'please can't we just do the show?' No, dickfuck, we cannot do the show until I have redeemed the CODE for the Amazon E-GIFT CARD. If you think sending me a receipt for a PHYSICAL gift card is going to have me chomping at the bit, nice try. Amazon gift cards NEVER take more than a couple of minutes to send to your email account. If you've been waiting for an hour (hell, more than 10-15 minutes even) with no email from Amazon and the guy is hassling you to do the show, chances are no gift card was actually bought and he's a scammer.
    EXACTLY!

    Also, check out the grammar in the fake Amazon e-mail.

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    Great thread Jaana and the rest of you! I only use SKYPE for phone, I pay $60 a year to have my own phone number that I use on SM, mainly because I can take the calls hands free. I've been asked about SKYPE shows but have not had one pan out. Always hear the "I use Paypal" bb. Errm....no. I have a good regular who even asked me about SKYPE because I'd get more money that way. I kindly said thanks, but I always know that when I do a show on SM, I get paid, no problems, no finagling over how much the show will be etc..... Maybe one day I'll do $3/min for an Amazon Gift code, when I actually NEED something. But for now, gifts are just the icing on the cake and they don't pay bills, fo'sure!


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    @Timor

    I once had a guy mail me a gift card which, of course, I didn't get. He yelled at me for being a scammer and I told him that deflection is a common scammer technique, therefore he was the scammer himself. He freaked out, of course and blocked me right after I told him how to cancel his order and get his money back. About a day later I got an email from amazon saying, "your order has been canceled." (meaning the card). Something screwy had happened and the card just hung up somewhere, I guess. Good on him for getting his money back, but it was a waste for all involved.

    Ever since then I've told them to mail the card TO THEIR OWN EMAIL and then paste the code into the chat window when they're ready. Since I've started doing that I've actually gotten two scammers who wouldn't send it to their own email. "No baby, I want to send it right to you!" To which I reply that sometimes emails don't come through to me, and I want to make sure neither of us worry that we're being scammed. Everyone but the scammers appreciate this approach.


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    @Timor

    I once had a guy mail me a gift card which, of course, I didn't get. He yelled at me for being a scammer and I told him that deflection is a common scammer technique, therefore he was the scammer himself. He freaked out, of course and blocked me right after I told him how to cancel his order and get his money back. About a day later I got an email from amazon saying, "your order has been canceled." (meaning the card). Something screwy had happened and the card just hung up somewhere, I guess. Good on him for getting his money back, but it was a waste for all involved.

    Ever since then I've told them to mail the card TO THEIR OWN EMAIL and then paste the code into the chat window when they're ready. Since I've started doing that I've actually gotten two scammers who wouldn't send it to their own email. "No baby, I want to send it right to you!" To which I reply that sometimes emails don't come through to me, and I want to make sure neither of us worry that we're being scammed. Everyone but the scammers appreciate this approach.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Renton View Post
    Him: we could meet... im 5ft 9 sexy italian with a 8 inch love stick...imagine playing with me... how would you do it
    Me: I would cut off your dick and feed it to the pigs

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    Quote Originally Posted by IsobelWren View Post
    @Timor

    I once had a guy mail me a gift card which, of course, I didn't get. He yelled at me for being a scammer and I told him that deflection is a common scammer technique, therefore he was the scammer himself. He freaked out, of course and blocked me right after I told him how to cancel his order and get his money back. About a day later I got an email from amazon saying, "your order has been canceled." (meaning the card). Something screwy had happened and the card just hung up somewhere, I guess. Good on him for getting his money back, but it was a waste for all involved.

    Ever since then I've told them to mail the card TO THEIR OWN EMAIL and then paste the code into the chat window when they're ready. Since I've started doing that I've actually gotten two scammers who wouldn't send it to their own email. "No baby, I want to send it right to you!" To which I reply that sometimes emails don't come through to me, and I want to make sure neither of us worry that we're being scammed. Everyone but the scammers appreciate this approach.
    This is brilliant Isobel! Thank you so much for sharing it.

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