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    Hi ladies,

    I wanted to share a new tool that I have been using for the last few months to track my camming earnings. It's at www.camyourway.com. I believe the developer has already posted in Industry Insight (link to the thread is here), but seeing as not many of us routinely check there (because of the number of douchebags using that subforum as a recruiting ground for their scammy studios), I thought I would bring it to your attention here as well.

    Some background: before the tools at CamYourWay existed, I had already been tracking my earnings meticulously. For those who don't know, I post a summary graph of my earnings in the 'Progress Reports' thread of the 'Paying off debts and saving support group' that ManyRoses started, and have been doing so on at least a monthly basis since May or June.

    Even with the amount of time I spend tracking, counting, and analyzing my own money, the CYW tools, in the short time I have been using them, have already been of benefit. And by that, I don't mean that the software generates cool graphs that are pretty to look at. I mean: I have learned things about my own earning patterns that I did not know before, and I have already been able to apply my new knowledge to make even MORE money.

    As an example: The CYW software tells you who your best spending customers are, breaking the data down across gold shows, 20% earnings, tips, exclusives, and premiums. I found out that my best spending customer (by far) is someone who almost NEVER has shows with me. He's a 20% guy. I always knew he was a good one, but when I saw the tally, over 2 yrs time, of all the $ he has generated for me (something you cannot see at a glance in your SM stats unless you literally count every 20% transaction.. that kind of math is damn near impossible to keep up with manually), my jaw hit the floor, and I emailed the CYW developers to tell them that their code was incorrect. Except... it wasn't. Result: I took two simple actions last month which substantially increased my cammodels signups. (I got more cammodels guys to sign up in the last 2 weeks than the entire rest of 2012.) So now I can capitalize better on the 20% commissions that I earn in my sleep. Nice.

    The graphs and charts allow me to view my earnings clearly, across all earning categories. Here is an example, using my SM earnings for Sept 1 - today. (I selected this to display weekly data.) I can hover over a section, and it displays the exact dollar amount.




    Currently this works for MFC, SM, and iFriends. You can graph earnings from all sites on one graph like this:



    Creating your own spreadsheets and graphs is certainly doable, but when we do that, we only input totals, not every single transaction, to the penny. This software tracks EVERYTHING for you, which then enables you to slice and dice the data more precisely, and in more ways.

    It also allows you to track individual customers. Here is an example of the spending pattern of one of my 20% guys. (Note that this data CANNOT be seen in the SM earning reports.) His screenname is scribbled out for privacy. (Finally got an exclusive out of him this month! ha!) :-)



    In short, I think this software is a great tool, even if you are ALREADY tracking your earnings on your own. I am sure more and more features will become available in the future.

    As far as the developers are concerned: Walter and Jesse are long-time mainstream software industry professionals; I have absolute faith in their ability to create a product that is reliable AND secure. I know them both personally (not just as a random screenname in a random chatroom/forum), and can personally vouch for the fact that they are trustworthy, professional, and interested in developing a tool that delivers VALUE to cam performers, first and foremost.

    I hope you find this software as useful as I already have. Thanks, and happy money-making. :-)

    -Jessica
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    Default Re: Count your money right - New tool for tracking earnings and charting trends

    It looks REALLY neat Jessica! At the risk of asking a stupid and newbie question, are they charging to use the software?

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    I think if I read correctly, it's free for the first 30 for you to try it out, then $10/mo.

    Definitely going to try it out... Thanks for the extra info and screen shots!
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    Very useful information! Thank you!

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    It's in Beta testing, so for now they are doing first month free and then ten bucks a month. Since it is in the initial stages, the current focus is on getting the kinks worked out. At this point, Walt and Jesse REALLY value everyone's feedback.... so go ahead and test it and then cancel after a month if you hate it.

    (I wouldn't be surprised if they end up charging $50 a month for this at some point, to be honest. With a few more features and tools, this could really help models improve their earnings. Like I said, it has already paid off for me (the steps I was able to take based on the information I found out using this tool DIRECTLY resulted in me earning... uhhh... several years worth of the CYW subscription fee. And I am already a cocky bitch when it comes to how well I think I do camming.) Goes to show that you don't know what you don't know. Knowledge = power = $$.)
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    What I DO have issues with, is that this was a couple of years ago And Judas is still in the freezer.

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    This is completely awesome. Thanks for the heads up! I wouldn't use it just for personal reasons.

    However - you can do this in Excel too. I am not trying to be a downer but I don't want anyone knowing my information including how much I make. I know it's just software but I'd rather keep that kinda thing to myself. I taught myself Excel and learned it in school years ago - so I just don't have any need of it.

    I hope that some girls do use it though - it would really help some of them out in the revenue standpoint.
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    This, as some of you will know, is the exact sort of thing that makes my panties wet. Off to go play!

    Thanks for letting us know

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissMafia View Post
    However - you can do this in Excel too. I am not trying to be a downer but I don't want anyone knowing my information including how much I make. I know it's just software but I'd rather keep that kinda thing to myself. I taught myself Excel and learned it in school years ago - so I just don't have any need of it.
    This is an exciting program, but I'm concerned about security as well. I'd be much more interested if it were downloadable software. I don't want my personal stats online. Those are private.

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    Awesome! Thanks for sharing. Tracking my earnings like this really motivates me to do better each week!!!

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    I realise it's beta, but having signed up and connected my accounts, I'm still waiting for it to 'work'. Things going all pear-shaped like this make me anxious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by limecoconut View Post
    This is an exciting program, but I'm concerned about security as well. I'd be much more interested if it were downloadable software. I don't want my personal stats online. Those are private.
    Mint.com has the same visual graphs + you can input investments, savings, spending, and watch trends that way - instead of $120 a year (which is prob tax-deductible though), it is free but the only downside is it isnt automated like this program is, so you have to manually plug it in. Which is a deterrent for most to maintain consistency, so I can see how this is a cool service. I am inconsistent with Mint but the CPA I see always verbally tears me a new one for not doing so since I missed 3 negligible (well to me, not for taxes) streams of income bc I didnt plug it in... this software wouldnt have been able to capture it since it was content + affiliate income though

    By using CamYourWay software you are agreeing to upload your personal financial data from your webcam platform accounts to CamYourWay’s servers. CamYourWay uses this data to provide financial analysis services to you. Once your data is uploaded to CamYourWay, it may be kept indefinitely and used without limitation by CamYourWay.
    If you wish to terminate this Agreement or your CamYourWay account (if you have one), you may simply discontinue using the Website. All provisions of this Agreement which by their nature should survive termination shall survive termination, including, without limitation....
    So your data is kept indefinitely and used within their discretion even after you leave the service. However, another part of their TOS says that:

    • We will collect and use of personal information solely with the objective of fulfilling those purposes advertised by us and for other compatible purposes, unless we obtain the consent of the individual concerned or as required by law.
    • We will collect personal information by lawful and fair means and, where appropriate, with the knowledge or consent of the individual concerned.
    Personal data should be relevant to the purposes for which it is to be used, and, to the extent necessary for those purposes, should be accurate, complete, and up-to-date.
    so their TOS does say itll be relevant to the purposes advertised. Dont hesitate to ask what other compatible purposes are or what reasonable security measures are being taken?

    The site does have an SSL certificate, locked their domain and have some encrypting so theyre trying to be careful about basic security but Id suggest if their TOS does make you hesitate and youre interested... wait until beta testing is over? Since youre handing over pswds with super sensitive data (some sites post your full name, SSN, address, or DOB, etc on your login page, I have one that does posts all of these things and it is like omfg) taking your time despite there being a free trial period is probably a good move?

    It is an innovative idea though
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    Currently, the site domain expires in May 2013, so for ppl who do sign up, until the site expiration is extended (you can find out by just checking up on their whois data) just a friendly suggestion to opt to pay month to month instead of annually.





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    This is awesome but unless it was a downloadable app that could be used self contained on my computer (ie storying all info only on my computer) I wouldn't you it. Not just the privacy issues that Roast mentioned but also that your providing them with all your test data. Jessica says using the tool helped her increase her income, well now combine the test data for 10 - 20 - 100 camgirls ... Now I feel that would be a very pricey piece of information.

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    You guys all raise very valid points. Since Walt can't post here, he's responding to the concerns inside the original thread in Industry Insight: http://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sho...ght=camyourway

    Roast and MissMafia, I think he's already responded to a few things you brought up. If you care to bring the discussion over there, it might be more helpful... because of a lack of special-colored "industry ribbon", and since Walt obviously doesn't want to break rules by pretending to be female (*cough*), the discussion within camming connection is by default rather one-sided.
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    Thank you Jessica! I signed up last night and spent an hour looking over past & present earnings... really awesome! And I noticed trends immediately. This is definitely gonna be motivating for me (I want to see December's bars tower over previous months!) I don't really have any hang-ups about using the site as long as it's safe and secure. Honestly the fact that YOU endorse it is enough to sway me... =)

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    ^^^ *Blushing!* Thank you, my dear!

    I feel exactly the same way about seeing 'bars' and other visual representations of financial data.... I just want to make those damn things climb climb climb! LOL! (You should see the wild colors I have going on with my Student Loan Repayment excel spreadsheet. It's psychedelic.) :-)

    Glad you're enjoying it so far!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mistress Anika View Post
    This is awesome but unless it was a downloadable app that could be used self contained on my computer (ie storying all info only on my computer) I wouldn't you it. Not just the privacy issues that Roast mentioned but also that your providing them with all your test data. Jessica says using the tool helped her increase her income, well now combine the test data for 10 - 20 - 100 camgirls ... Now I feel that would be a very pricey piece of information.
    Agreed, 100%. I'd perhaps be more curious if it was an app. The same way TeamViewer is an application, this can converted to that format and utilized with the same results. I would buy that kind of software but this isn't a format that I'm interested in. Primarily for the security reasons that have been brought up. This does, however, make me want to get reacquainted with my Excel, again. I have it, I just need to train myself to use it to its fullest potential and automate the settings that are most relevant to me. I've also heard that Mint.com is a good option.
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    It's working for me now, and I freaking love it. Mr White is very responsive to ideas and issues, and I hope, think, anticipate even that he'll deal with issues that are being raised. I really hope so anyway as this shtuff is exciting.

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    That's awesome that you got it working, GG! Yeah, Walt is pretty awesome about troubleshooting. Glad you love it so far... it IS exciting! :-)
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    I've also been playing around with it and think it's going to be a fantastic tool! And I do not question the credibility or security at all at this point. Jessica would never go for something like this if it wasn't the real deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mistress Anika View Post
    This is awesome but unless it was a downloadable app that could be used self contained on my computer (ie storying all info only on my computer) I wouldn't you it. Not just the privacy issues that Roast mentioned but also that your providing them with all your test data. Jessica says using the tool helped her increase her income, well now combine the test data for 10 - 20 - 100 camgirls ... Now I feel that would be a very pricey piece of information.
    Yea on other adult webmaster forums there will be threads that go on for pages and pages trying to guess how much cam models / content producers make so people can figure out how much to charge for website creation and design (understandable), which sites studios are best to start up for, and overall potential of income for them to dip into (some avenues legitimate, some just 'how can make off of these dumb bitches' kind of thing, the rest just affiliates) - often with links to SW (direct links, anonymized links, screenshots) - which is understanable just surreal

    Theyll talk about which industries to not even bother tapping into and often it is the ones where people are the most guarded about their earnings (indie, content, phone, and affiliate accts except moneytree & pussycash are generallu assumed to be dead) and which ones to flood tend to be the ones people talk about their earnings the most (MFC especially but also SM).

    I think people worry about customers reading and picking up stuff or being disgruntled but meh. Probably if you poke around youd guess the heaviest swarm of lurkers are freeloaders and adult website entrepreneurs / affiliates - I remember a few guys said they spent 8 hours watching Chaturbate rooms vs MFC rooms and determined the average performer on Chaturbate earns under $9 an hour, while MFC if you're within the first 20 squares at least $50 an hour within certain time frames... which turned into a heated debate for paaaages where two guys took it offline to build scripts to calculate token tips (idk it didnt sound feasible). None of them claimed to be performers except one and she was grilled. I mean yea, this info is very valuable, people obsess over this shit. Like literally obsess.

    But yea just affirming that I see it all the time on other forums? This is valuable market research, so to me $120 a year seems super expensive given the resale value for the data is probably ridiculous as it is live verifiable info on the earning potential of an increasingly mainstreamed and lucrative adult industry business. I get why they say they may keep the data in perpetuity, people would pay a lot for it.

    Then again, Im tired of being cynical? haha, so if it is helping people earn more: I get it, make that $$. Hey at least this isnt yet another webcam 'innovative product' that is just another webcam site or virtual studio that we know wont live more than a few months. People are getting more creative as the industry grows with services they offer, so that's cool - Im curious to see what other new things will pop up in 2013.





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    Anyone still use this? Did they fix any of the past issues??
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    Honestly, I wouldn't do it. Seems like a data collecting hub with fancy packaging. Pretty much everything roast said.

    Also when you read the ToS:

    7. Financial Data
    By using CamYourWay software you are agreeing to upload your personal financial data from your webcam platform accounts to CamYourWay’s servers. CamYourWay uses this data to provide financial analysis services to you. Once your data is uploaded to CamYourWay, it may be kept indefinitely and used by CamYourWay to the fullest extent consistent with our current Privacy Policy.


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    The Walter fella has not responded to the thread he was posting in regarding site updates/feedback since last year.

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    if you're good with spreadsheets you can make your own with excel or google docs . Theres a few threads with spread sheets .I know theres a thread that Boostie started regarding her brother making a cam earnings tracking app i forgot what its called but it evolved into a earning tracker spreadsheets thread
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