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    (snip)"(CNN) -- Can a boss fire an employee he finds attractive because he and his wife, fairly or not, see her as a threat to their marriage?

    Yes, the Iowa Supreme Court ruled Friday.

    "The question we must answer is ... whether an employee who has not engaged in flirtatious conduct may be lawfully terminated simply because the boss views the employee as an irresistible attraction," Justice Edward M. Mansfield wrote for the all-male high court.

    Such firings may not be fair, but they do not constitute unlawful discrimination under the Iowa Civil Rights Act, the decision read, siding with a lower court.

    An attorney for Melissa Nelson, the fired employee, said the decision was wrong.

    "We are appalled by the court's ruling and its failure to understand the nature of gender bias," said Paige Fiedler, the attorney. "For the seven men on the Iowa Supreme Court not to 'get it' is shocking and disheartening. It underscores the need for judges on the bench to be diverse in terms of their gender, race and life experiences."

    Read the court's decision (PDF) at

    The case concerns her client's employment as a dental assistant. Nelson worked for James Knight in 1999 and stayed for more than 10 years at the Fort Dodge business.

    Toward the end of her employment, Knight complained to Nelson her clothing was tight and "distracting," the decision read. She denied her clothes were inappropriate.

    At one point, Knight told Nelson that "if she saw his pants bulging, she would know her clothing was too revealing," the decision read.

    At another point, in response to an alleged comment Nelson made about the infrequency of her sex life, Knight responded: [T]hat's like having a Lamborghini in the garage and never driving it."(snip)


    A 'slippery slope' court decision, to say the least !!!

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    I'm beyond disgusted that there is an actual court defending this douchebags weak peen for hot ass. Praying it doesn't spill over onto other businesses/states. Iowa needs to be fenced off and banished.
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    lolz ..
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    The link won't work for me right now because i need to update. So I'm commenting based on other sources I have read about this. The articles I have read about this said the fired employee and thedentist exchanged personal text messages on a regular basis, combined with the description of the way the employee dressed i suspect that the truth was there was an affair going on or if not it was heading that way so i fully understand the wife stepping in and saying "no way!".
    Although the parts you quoted states the employees Attorney states there was no flirtatious conduct (not sure if that's fact or the attorny's opinion)

    I can see both sides to the story in this particular case. For there to be a blanket ruling that women can be fired for being "too Hot"? That is definately bullshit.

    The whole thing probably could have been handled better but hindsight has the habit of offering perfect solutions too late.

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    The link won't work for me right now because i need to update. So I'm commenting based on other sources I have read about this. The articles I have read about this said the fired employee and the dentist exchanged personal text messages on a regular basis, combined with the description of the way the employee dressed i suspect that the truth was there was an affair going on or if not it was heading that way so i fully understand the wife stepping in and saying "no way!".
    Although the parts you quoted states the employees Attorney states there was no flirtatious conduct (not sure if that's fact or the attorny's opinion)

    I can see both sides to the story in this particular case. For there to be a blanket ruling that women can be fired for being "too Hot"? That is definately bullshit.

    The whole thing probably could have been handled better but hindsight has the habit of offering perfect solutions too late.
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    There had to have been something else going on. The same guy probably hired her in the first place, so it's not like her hotness changed. Can you be too hot to be hired?

    Regardless, if they answered yes to this: "The question we must answer is ... whether an employee who has not engaged in flirtatious conduct may be lawfully terminated simply because the boss views the employee as an irresistible attraction," then that's remarkably stupid.

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    wtf? Hot girls rights! Hot girls are ppl too!
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    misogynistic bullshit.

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    morever, the wife needs to grow a brain. badly. according to an article i read her husband was the one initiating an out of work relationship. dont you think he will do that with the next one? " my poor little husband wants to be faithful and is being lured away! because he doesn't have a brain of his own or control of his penis so any attractive woman should be terminated and suffer the consequences of him wanting them more than me ". i love how women ruin each other over a man who is being unfaithful to them instead of say, divorcing your shit bag husband? there's an idea

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    Some new information ( presented by a Fox News contributor ) indicates that the 'hot' hygenist has standing to file a US federal lawsuit claiming that her firing constituted sex discrimination. This hasn't happened yet, but probably will.

    The 'slippery slope' issue behind this particular anecdote is the apparent fact that courts and DOL's have allowed a situation to develop where the hiring of 'hot' female employees now involves the potential risk of future problems for straight job employers ... as well as the courts and DOL's providing precedent that the failure to hire a qualified employee, or the firing of an existing employee, because she is 'hot' does not constitute sex discrimination under US law. This has the potential to propagate through the HR dep't's of major US corporations. In an economic climate of sustained high unemployment, this could easily translate into 'hot' straight job applicants being turned down in favor of 'average looking' straight job applicants in order to avoid potential future problems.

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    Im interested to see how this turns out. As a temp, I was let go from a long-term temp position because of this crazily enough, and it just so happens I was working in a drs office at the time, but as the receptionist. I got a call from my agency to come to the agency after I got off work because they needed to talk to me. When I did, the lady took one look at me and literally started laughing. She sat me down to explain... The dr's wife also worked in the office doing billing. She called the agency to complain that I was coming into work dressed inappropriately, to the point that her husband (stupidly) commented to her that I have really long legs. Apparently, she told them I was a distraction to the office cause I came in looking like Im looking for a date, not to work, and that on that very day, I was wearing a little mini skirt. So thats why they had me come right after work, so they could see for themselves how I was dressed.

    I was wearing..as usual, a skirt suit...and definitely not a mini skirt...just that my legs are pretty long, and so skirts look shorter on me than someone else, but no where near inappropriate...I looked downright professional, hair in a bun and everything. So they just gave me the heads up that there was a complaint, but that also they dont agree with it at all. About a week later, they called me in again, and said that she is demanding that I wear only pants or ankle length skirts to work...yes *ankle length!!* I told them I dont have the money, or even make the money to go out and buy new clothes for this job...I worked about 2 or 3 days more before I got a call one morning before work that they didnt want me to come in anymore and I was being replaced.

    I can look back on it now and laugh, my husband bragged his wife is too hot to work, but at the time, it really upset me...cause I had faced it before (and since then) if I did well at work or got recognized for my work, people would blow it off saying it was my looks not my work ethic. I had to work harder and go over and beyond to prove myself, in a way others in my office didnt have to.

    So yeah, I definitely see it as discrimination...and I do think its serious if someones attractiveness affects how someone is treated at work, and also if their job is at risk over something they cant help. It sucks and makes a real impact when for one, people cant take you seriously or making sexual comments because of how you look, and for two the people who purposely hold you back or try to put your job at risk because they are threatened by it. Its not right or fair.
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    The sad thing is this is common. I have known for years not to look too pretty at interviews because yes attractive people are often not hired. Disgusting to say the least.

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    ...excluding the jealous wife/affair angle, is it much different than firing a dancer for being too "unattractive"?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WiseGuy_TX View Post
    ...excluding the jealous wife/affair angle, is it much different than firing a dancer for being too "unattractive"?
    Yes. Completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WiseGuy_TX View Post
    ...excluding the jealous wife/affair angle, is it much different than firing a dancer for being too "unattractive"?
    Indeed... when you are in a job that is based on your looks then you go in fully knowing that and its a part of your job to maintain it. Same for being a model or actor any job where appearances matter and youre hired *because* of your look...whatever that look is.

    But if what you look like has nothing to do with your job and doesnt affect whether or not you can perform your job, being harassed, held back, treated differently or unfairly for something you cannot help is discrimination and should not be tolerated.
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    But if what you look like has nothing to do with your job and doesnt affect whether or not you can perform your job, being harassed, held back, treated differently or unfairly for something you cannot help is discrimination and should not be tolerated.
    In principle, I agree completely. But as a matter of law, it would now appear that 'beautiful' people applying for straight jobs now pose an increased risk factor to straight job employers - in terms of both potential complaints / lawsuits, as well as productivity loss / distraction of co-workers. Thus as long as plenty of 'average' looking qualified applicants are available, odds are that straight job employers are now likely to 'bypass' applicants who are too 'beautiful'.

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    I doubt that this will be much more than an isolated case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    I doubt that this will be much more than an isolated case.
    totally agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    In principle, I agree completely. But as a matter of law, it would now appear that 'beautiful' people applying for straight jobs now pose an increased risk factor to straight job employers - in terms of both potential complaints / lawsuits, as well as productivity loss / distraction of co-workers. Thus as long as plenty of 'average' looking qualified applicants are available, odds are that straight job employers are now likely to 'bypass' applicants who are too 'beautiful'.
    Now I can agree with that, but then its a matter of just not hiring the person to begin with...but if someone has been hired, and has been doing their job, and during the course of time is getting harassed, then Id say there is an issue.


    As for being isolated...I have my own personal story, but Ive met other women, and men too along the years who have told me about the same thing having happened to them. But who are you going to tell without getting the "oh gee, I fell sooooo sorry for you, having to deal with being attractive. Life must be sooooo hard for you" sarcasm. It just sounds like a lame complaint, one that most people would not take seriously or back a person up on. Its different if its race or weight or religious beliefs...those have a strong history of discrimination, and more socially accepted reasons to take offense to and stand up for. But attractiveness? Too few people could care less one way or another, and make fun of someone for saying it is an issue. So yeah, just cause you dnt hear about it all the time, doesnt mean it doesnt happen or that it isnt a real problem, cause it it.
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    I saw this on the news the other day and was OUTRAGED. Yet another example of how patriarchal ideology has these nutjobs thinking it's perfectly ok to project their self hatred and shame at being atrracted to a pretty girl onto her like it is her fault and she did it on purpose. It's disgusting that in the 21st century women are still expected to conform to male standards, whether that is changing your appearance to be more attractive or less.

    How about they let us be and just deal with their boners discreetly and move on with their lives. It even relates back to "slut" shaming imo. I am really really sick of men refusing to take responsibility for their own thoughts and actions. It's time they gain some fucking self control.

    This video pretty much sums it up

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    I'll let this guy express my thoughts

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    Firstly, I think the title of this thread is misleading. She had been working for him for 10 years and for whatever reason, he suddenly found himself in the position of either heading towards an affair or, since she was not participating in the flirting, a likely sexual harassment suit. Since a dental practice is not a dental practice without the dentist, and one of them needed to be removed from the work environment, he has to be allowed to fire her. If she feels she was harassed prior to the firing, she is still allowed to pursue that course. Nothing the court said excludes her from that.

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    I mean idk what to say. The lawsuit was for gender discrimination. I read the court's decision. There was, in fact, no gender discrimination. He hired a woman in the first place and hired another woman to replace her. So the court's ruling is correct, no gender discrimination.
    (She's still free to sue him for wrongful termination or sexual harassment or whatever, but that's a different subject.)
    This man's wife didn't like her texting her husband about personal stuff after hours. Really she should have used more common sense. Just reading the stuff that's in the legal papers, she sounds like kind of a hobag who was getting waaaaay too close too her married boss.
    I know a lot of people are going to say his wife is pathetic for clinging to her marriage by her fingernails, but that's her business. For some women, marriage is the greatest security they will ever know.
    I'm sorry but I don't relate to her just because I'm pretty. I don't chat or text with married men and I really can't respect that. She's getting a lot of publicity and every single girl who's ever dealt with jealousy for being pretty empathizes with her but if you look at the facts of the case, I'm not so sure. I have a certain impression of her and it's not positive.

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