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    Default Dumb Girls Ruining the Biz. My first rant..... lol

    Ok so I have been a camgirl for about a year and a half now. I realize that everyone has their own way of making money in this business, I am all for them. Flash in free chat if it makes you money. Or public shows in free chat once youve reached your goal. Or pretty much any other way to make money for you. But seriously, i just watched 3 girls do a guy in free chat on one of my sites . No tip goal, nothing. they were just hoping they would make money off tips. You know how much they made in an hour? $40. thats not including the sites cut and splitting it three ways. what is wrong with with these girls?! have respect for yourself!! And stop ruining our industry !!!!! GEEEEZ

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    don't worry about others.. Just do your thing!...I have been doing this going on 11 yrs now.. you think i like what the new girls do?? NOPE.. but i don't care because there is NO ONE like me and there is NO ONE like you!


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    Default Re: Dumb Girls Ruining the Biz. My first rant..... lol

    We could talk about the crazy shit other performers do that we disagree with until the sun comes up, but chances are we'll NEVER change it. If you're that affected by them, take screenshots, include their usernames and report their asses. I've done the same myself but the site owners didn't do shit, so I'll just assume those girls WERE bringing in money, or else what can I do? Just... be angry?

    I kind of wince now when people rip into each other with "stop ruining MY industry / stop ruining MY business with what YOU do!" blame-game thing. True enough, it may just be because I've had some really negative experiences lately with performers saying things along those lines to me, (when I don't even charge peanuts to do what I do in the first place!), but in all honesty, our business is our business.

    If it's THAT incredibly easy to take someone else's earnings, work, livelihood, and just throw it to the wind like it's nothing - was it ever really their business to begin with if it just ran through their fingers so easily?

    I think a lot of performers take what their site gives them for granted. It is possible for me to minimize this tab right now, open up webcam, go on cam this instant without even getting myself ready, and just get traffic come to my room. I, like most of us here, am lucky enough to get traffic simply handed to me on a plate. I didn't bring that traffic in. I didn't have to do shit! Streamate did. We get 35% of what we make on account of the fact that Streamate do a shit lot of work for us. It cuts out the middle man of marketing that so many girls forget they can still do to bring in even more money!

    If we actually have a handle on our business.. If we just stop relying solely on our sites to just HAND us clients.. If we actually make some effort to bring new clients ourselves and keep them there with the unique quality entertainment... who can just ruin / steal all of those clients away by showing bare pussy with dildo in free chat!? They can't, because we're in control. I think a lot of people forget that.

    And even still, with Streamate, if regs we brought to the site do go and spend money on other girls, we get a cut of that!

    It would take a LOT of performers working for free to seriously ruin our industry as much as some people make out, but we all know that there are still enough girls NOT doing this for free, for me to get paid, for you to get paid, and all the many other girls, and also those girls at the top rolling in cash and making crazy money. All of this goes to show that it's possible to rise above the few that do shit for free.

    Think of it this way:

    If I'm in my own room, working; if I'm on networking sites promoting myself to new people, I'm concentrating on my business, my earnings, and I have no. clue how many girls there are pounding their pussies in free chat for free. I don't know, don't care, I continue work like they don't exist. I still get paid.

    If I'm watching sallytheboobqueenfrommars4U (invented handle, lol), I'm sitting there watching sallytheboobqueenfrommars4U... she's doing everything that boils my blood and suddenly the world seems smaller and the walls are getting closer. She isn't the be-all, end-all and she doesn't represent camming. It would take probably a whole new race of ultra-horny, "I'm SO sexually charged I'll just do all this for free even though I know girls make bank from this I don't even care I'm so horny" women to ruin this industry!

    If I'm working, who the fuck knows what crazy shit other girls are doing for $5 an hour and why should I care?

    I'm sorry to be so strongly-worded in this one, but my only aim with this is to help you realize you OWN your business! And that should make you feel powerful and in control enough to not be bothered by what other performers do. <3


    [EDIT] - I just wanted to add to this to say... I think even if there were a new race of ultra-horny girls who intended to ruin this industry with free shit, I definitely think I'd still have my regs! XD
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    Quote Originally Posted by HEATHER7679 View Post
    3 girls do a guy
    Honestly my first thought - video recording.

    $40 for playing a video through splitcam/manycam is actually pretty good IMO

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    Default Re: Dumb Girls Ruining the Biz. My first rant..... lol

    This has been touched on numerous times. People are going to do their thing. It is up to the site to reprimand them , obviously they dont give a fuck
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    So you sat there for a whole hour watching a show you disapprove of keeping track of their earnings?

    I really do not see how someone else runs business has anything to do with mine. You think thrift stores ruin the industry for high in boutiques? We are all different and have our own styles. Who cares if someone else sells their selves short? Makes the one who don't look better. Can you see who's making the real money? Not the ones giving it all away semi-free.


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    I personally love the dumb girls that give it away. It is how I am able to justify asking for so much money per minute and it gives all the freedloaders and abusive asshats somewhere to hang out that isn't my room.

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    I see what you ladies are saying, but I also see what Heather is saying. I dont know what site she's talking about but I know a site that *I* cammed on for a bit that I can't even bother with because it's just a free for all (I'm talking about Chaturbate here). There are going to be models giving it away for free on EVERY site, but as long as they're not in the majority the site will still do well and girls who actually only perform for money will still make good money. Take MFC, for example. So many girls doing full shows for $0, yet so many others doing great despite that.

    I think the problem is when the vast majority of models on the site give free shows with the hopes of making something that, the site transforms into a place where that is the norm and viewers simply are no longer as willing to pay legit performers what they are worth. Take Chaturbate. How many girls here are saying they used to do okay there but now with the abundance of free couple shows, solo shows, and exhibitionist they're now making crap and are moving on. I do think that when the culture of a site changes to one where free shows are expected it is pervasive and it does pretty much ruin the chances of getting paid fairly and consistently for your shows. If you need any more proof just look at Cam4 (*shudder*).

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    Quote Originally Posted by justanothercamgirl View Post
    I personally love the dumb girls that give it away. It is how I am able to justify asking for so much money per minute and it gives all the freedloaders and abusive asshats somewhere to hang out that isn't my room.
    JACG love your way of thinking!!!
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    Thanks hun, that was the point I was trying to make. I just don't understand the point of doing this as a JOB when you make $5 a piece an hour for hardcore in public chat. Why not just make videos and put them up on a tube site? If youre going to do it, good for you, but get PAID for it. lol

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    Nah, i just checked in here in there to see if anyone was actually tipping for the free show. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kayden View Post
    Honestly my first thought - video recording.

    $40 for playing a video through splitcam/manycam is actually pretty good IMO

    I wish they were splitcamming. that would have at least made sense. lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by HEATHER7679 View Post
    Thanks hun, that was the point I was trying to make. I just don't understand the point of doing this as a JOB when you make $5 a piece an hour for hardcore in public chat. Why not just make videos and put them up on a tube site? If youre going to do it, good for you, but get PAID for it. lol
    That is the awesome part. If they can't make a living at it they will have to quit eventually. And if they don't make a living at it they will have to work 8 hours somewhere else which means they only have so much time to show their T&A for free.

    It is the camgirl circle of life!

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    I have been in the industry more years than I care to count. There have ALWAYS been girls giving it a way for free and there have ALWAYS been girls who complained about it, and there have ALWAYS been girls who have made money anyway. This is nothing new, it happens.

    There is .59 cent phone sex I still get 1.99-2.99 per minute. There are .99 cent cam models I still get 3.99 and up per minute non nude. There are girls that sell clips cheaper than me my clips are still purchased. Know your market and target it.

    Look at it this way McDonalds, Outback, and Fogo de Chao all serve beef. Now everybody may go to McDonald's sometimes and that's fine, nothing wrong with that, because everybody can afford it. Now most people go to Outback maybe not as often as they go to McDonald's but they go. Now everyone can't afford Fogo de Chao but they have their customer base it's smaller but it spends more and sometimes people will save to treat themselves. All of these restaurants make a profit. Fogo de Chao and McDonald's are not each others competition, however if the mid priced out back plays their cards right they can snag customers from both.

    So if you want to worry about losing business it's not the cheaper priced models that should be you're concern it's the mid-priced girl with mass appeal who has mass appeal, yet nobody worries about that because she is doing what people think she should be doing, but she is the direct competition for most people This worry about cheap girl ruining well I don't know I seen a lot of cheap girls since '92. I think in a bad economy though that McDonald's and Fogo fair best it's Outback that feels the squeeze, but if you target market you'll be fine.
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    The best spending guys don't want that!!!! They are paying you for the special things that YOU do. Usually the girls doing it all in free chat aren't offering the same product we are, they are doing something much more similar to porn. The guys that are attracted to that are typically not the same ones that are going to spend an hour in exclusive with you, who want the companionship/friendship, who want to see you cum, who are willing to pay extra for a particular fetish, etc.

    They make knockoff purses to offer something very similar at a fraction of the cost. But how many women do you know would suddenly realize they should just start buying to replicas to save money. They won't. Our job is a luxury service, those that can afford it will continue to pay for it, regardless of if they can watch a girl get fucked for free (oh and they can---- it's called free internet porn!).

    I definitely get the frustration, and in fact, I used to send screenshots into SM when I saw that kind of thing. But now I feel it's just not worth my time!

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    ^I agree sexyred, guys worth doing shows with WILL pay you properly because camming is really all about the interaction. If I just want to get off real quck I hop on a free tube site. When I want to direct the show or even just chat with a sexy man to boost my confidence I hop on cam sites and find a cam boy, and I am so happy to tip him because he's giving me exactly what I want and I don't have to settle for some cookie cutter pon clip that doesn't cater 100% to what I'm looking for.

    Again, I think the issue is that some cam sites are starting to degenerate into places where there isn't much interaction going on at all, they're kind of morphing into places to go for live cam porn without the relationships that viewers want. I don't really see it on the big sites, but on a couple of smaller sites I am noticing a trend that models aren't giving the viewers the personal attention that cam viewers really crave. They will just do exhibitionist style shows where viewers can tip if hey want but they don't really get much say, nor do they get to see the model's personality. Of course the models don't make much money so that pushes a lot of them out, but when new models come in and see that that's the culture of the site they may think it's the only way they can make money. And so the voyeuristic element of the site is perpetuated and good money becomes scarce. I don't think this is true for all sites by any means, and I stand by my opinion that as long as the free cam shows aren't rampant on a site one can probably still make money there in privates and goal shows and such on that site, because the veiwers know there are still many beautiful models left who offer that interaction.

    Sorry to be so long winded and rambling, I am just REALLY wired on coffee right now!

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    A few years ago all the older strippers were bitching about what the younger girls were doing - essentially the same thing you're complaining about here. We all said they were ruining the industry, lowering the earnings bar, raising customer expectations, etc. Guess what? Stripper earnings these days are lower than ever. Where more girls used to be able to average at least a couple hundred per shift even in the little shitholes, now more often than not girls are complaining that they often struggle to make $100 or $200, even in the "money" places.

    Of course other factors have contributed - poor economy, too many clubs and TOO MANY GIRLS, but the worst thing that's happened is clubs allowing girls to do WTFever they want and not making any attempt to teach new girls anything so they're literally thrown to the sharks and left to sink or swim all on their own - and of course, most of them do it wrong. When more and more girls are offering more and more "activity" for less and less money, there is little incentive for most guys to pony up the big bucks for a "regular" show that fits within the rules.

    Right here on this very site, when some of us older girls would bitch about what the younger girls were doing and how they were cheapening the stripper industry, invariably some young lil punk would pipe up with "you older bitches are just jealous". LMAO. Oooh if they only knew how utterly UNjealous we were.

    Anyway, this is my long-winded way of saying, been there, done that, same thing happens in all parts of the sex industry. Camming has gone mainstream the same way stripping did several years ago, so average earning potential is likely to start decreasing as more and more competition enters the market offering more and more "bang for the buck".

    The way for an individual to maintain income is to set yourself far apart from the herd. Do your own thing regardless of what anyone else is doing and sell it for all it's worth. Don't lower your rates. Don't compromise your standards. Maintain your looks and your "look" as high as possible. You may draw fewer people, but if you market yourself right AND STICK WITH IT EVEN WHEN A LOT OF GUYS TELL YOU YOU'RE "DOING IT WRONG", you will attract much bigger spenders instead of dicking around with the $5 riffraff

    As a stripper in my later years I was still able to dance circles around most the young chics who offered way more than I did and who were often half my age. I still made more money than most girls I worked with. Now in the online game, I do my own thing and I turn down guys all the time who request fetishes that I just don't like, despite the fact I know they're super popular and "big money" fetishes. I don't do a lot of things that many other girls do in my niche, but I still make plenty of money and am still one of the most popular in my niche (I'm also one of the oldest and far older than most LOL). I attract guys who like what I do and that's that.

    I get some moron telling me on the daily that "I could make soooo much more money if....." or that "ooooh well you just lost a customer!" - as if I give a flying fuck if I "lost" some random douche asking me to do things I don't like, or as if any of these idiots have any fucking clue how much money I make. LMFAO!!! I bought 2 real estate properties within the last year, pay my bills AND my grandparents' bills, and am about to buy ANOTHER property. So I guess I'm doing al-fucking-right without those idiots. LOL

    Point is, don't worry what everyone else is doing or what anyone else *thinks* you should do. Do your thing, sell yourself, and make your money. The industry will go where it does - you don't necessarily have to go with it to keep making money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rina View Post
    I have been in the industry more years than I care to count. There have ALWAYS been girls giving it a way for free and there have ALWAYS been girls who complained about it, and there have ALWAYS been girls who have made money anyway. This is nothing new, it happens.

    There is .59 cent phone sex I still get 1.99-2.99 per minute. There are .99 cent cam models I still get 3.99 and up per minute non nude. There are girls that sell clips cheaper than me my clips are still purchased. Know your market and target it.

    Look at it this way McDonalds, Outback, and Fogo de Chao all serve beef. Now everybody may go to McDonald's sometimes and that's fine, nothing wrong with that, because everybody can afford it. Now most people go to Outback maybe not as often as they go to McDonald's but they go. Now everyone can't afford Fogo de Chao but they have their customer base it's smaller but it spends more and sometimes people will save to treat themselves. All of these restaurants make a profit. Fogo de Chao and McDonald's are not each others competition, however if the mid priced out back plays their cards right they can snag customers from both.

    So if you want to worry about losing business it's not the cheaper priced models that should be you're concern it's the mid-priced girl with mass appeal who has mass appeal, yet nobody worries about that because she is doing what people think she should be doing, but she is the direct competition for most people This worry about cheap girl ruining well I don't know I seen a lot of cheap girls since '92. I think in a bad economy though that McDonald's and Fogo fair best it's Outback that feels the squeeze, but if you target market you'll be fine.

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    @ThatBitch - Totally off topic, but I am SO in love with your username it is almost embarassing!

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    @Courtney- I'm starting to think that is the culture chaturbate wanted. For if they didn't, they probably wouldn't allow exhibitionist cams. That's just something I'be been thinking about lately :]

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