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    After an investigation spanning fifteen years, Belgian federal prosecutors have decided to prosecute the Church of Scientology and its leaders as a criminal organization, according to Belgian media reports.

    Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/articl...#ixzz2GVbHeEPm

    Hopefully this will bring the criminal organization down.

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    I'll never understand why many celebs belong to this "church". I've always thought it was a criminal organization.

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    It should be against the law to believe something this stupid. I wonder what Lord Xenu thinks?
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    Did anyone see the documentary on HBO last night ?

    Wow ! I thought the Mormons believed some wacky stuff ( Christ came to America pre-Columbus ; magic underwear etc. ). Afaic ALL religions exploit their members to some extent. Most enforce orthodoxy in one way or another but "Squirrel Hunters " ? ; disconnecting ? reprogramming camps. As soon as I hear "sleep deprivation" is when sirens and alarm bells start going off like crazy. This outfit is a cult that makes Rev. Moon's Unification Church look benign by comparison. ALL religions promise a more peaceful world if everyone believes as they do and that adherents will be better off by joining , following and believing but this bunch is a very scary group.

    I've been a recovering Catholic for years. I've drifted away and criticized my church over birth control ; extremist right to life and discrimination against gays , women and the divorced. But my parish priest never condemned me. He never told other members of the parish to disconnect from me. I was never sent to camp to be reprogrammed. On my occasional visits ( usually Christmas and Easter ) I am welcomed back with open arms. I volunteered and donated from time to time but nothing remotely close to the exploitation of this cult ( I REFUSE to call it a "church " ).

    When you ask how anyone can believe this nonsense and get exploited like that the answer is fairly simple : They are vulnerable and get taken advantage of. And the cult leaders laugh all the way to the bank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    I'll never understand why many celebs belong to this "church". I've always thought it was a criminal organization.
    I watched the documentary last night. As part of the process of becoming "clear" confessions are recorded and saved into a file for later use as blackmail to keep them in the organization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tempest666 View Post
    It should be against the law to believe something this stupid. I wonder what Lord Xenu thinks?
    No more weird than eating your dead/zombie god. (Transubstantiation)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    Wow ! I thought the Mormons believed some wacky stuff ( Christ came to America pre-Columbus ; magic underwear etc. ). Afaic ALL religions exploit their members to some extent. Most enforce orthodoxy in one way or another but "Squirrel Hunters " ? ; disconnecting ? reprogramming camps. As soon as I hear "sleep deprivation" is when sirens and alarm bells start going off like crazy. This outfit is a cult that makes Rev. Moon's Unification Church look benign by comparison. ALL religions promise a more peaceful world if everyone believes as they do and that adherents will be better off by joining , following and believing but this bunch is a very scary group.

    I've been a recovering Catholic for years. I've drifted away and criticized my church over birth control ; extremist right to life and discrimination against gays , women and the divorced. But my parish priest never condemned me. He never told other members of the parish to disconnect from me. I was never sent to camp to be reprogrammed. On my occasional visits ( usually Christmas and Easter ) I am welcomed back with open arms. I volunteered and donated from time to time but nothing remotely close to the exploitation of this cult ( I REFUSE to call it a "church " ).

    When you ask how anyone can believe this nonsense and get exploited like that the answer is fairly simple : They are vulnerable and get taken advantage of. And the cult leaders laugh all the way to the bank.
    Catholics are far from being a benevolent religion. The recent coverup of the child sex abuse is a good indicator that Catholics abuse the most vulnerable among them. even Mother Theresa has been recently critized for withholding medicine and medical treatment from sick people in her hospitals. Her justification was that suffering was good for the soul. https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress...an-we-thought/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    Did anyone see the documentary on HBO last night ?
    I watched it. Not much in it that I haven't heard before. Scientology is more of a criminal organization than a religion. Tom Cruise is a pretty awful person to take advantage of scientology's slave labor when he's already filthy rich.

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    Good, Scientology is creepy!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    Did anyone see the documentary on HBO last night ?

    Wow ! I thought the Mormons believed some wacky stuff ( Christ came to America pre-Columbus ; magic underwear etc. ). Afaic ALL religions exploit their members to some extent. Most enforce orthodoxy in one way or another but "Squirrel Hunters " ? ; disconnecting ? reprogramming camps. As soon as I hear "sleep deprivation" is when sirens and alarm bells start going off like crazy. This outfit is a cult that makes Rev. Moon's Unification Church look benign by comparison. ALL religions promise a more peaceful world if everyone believes as they do and that adherents will be better off by joining , following and believing but this bunch is a very scary group.

    I've been a recovering Catholic for years. I've drifted away and criticized my church over birth control ; extremist right to life and discrimination against gays , women and the divorced. But my parish priest never condemned me. He never told other members of the parish to disconnect from me. I was never sent to camp to be reprogrammed. On my occasional visits ( usually Christmas and Easter ) I am welcomed back with open arms. I volunteered and donated from time to time but nothing remotely close to the exploitation of this cult ( I REFUSE to call it a "church " ).

    When you ask how anyone can believe this nonsense and get exploited like that the answer is fairly simple : They are vulnerable and get taken advantage of. And the cult leaders laugh all the way to the bank.
    I'm very active in church and strangely not everyone agrees with certain issues. I don't about abortion, birth control, gays and women ordination. Not saying I'm 100% the opposite (I do have issues with abortion) but the extremist views need to moderate or they risk alienating people. I think the current pope is trying to do it to some extent. However, no one has ever tried to reprogram me or judge me. In fact there are many divorced people in the church now (I'm not divorced) and religious Ed classes are being changed because of it.

    Anyway that is going off topic and I wish I had seen that documentary. Years ago someone gave me Dianetics and could see it was be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tourdefranzia View Post
    I watched the documentary last night. As part of the process of becoming "clear" confessions are recorded and saved into a file for later use as blackmail to keep them in the organization.
    I heard that John Travolta confessed a lot and that is why he stays because he seems normal (and everyone I know who has met him says he is nice). Tom Cruise always seemed nuts to me.

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    They're crazy for sure! When I was around 8, I woke up to find a woman sleeping on our couch that was in the run from the church of Scientology. She left the church with some documents & they were looking for her. I grew up in Clearwater Fl. & it you've ever been there they own most of downtown. They walk downtown in weird uniforms.

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    They're crazy for sure! When I was around 8, I woke up to find a woman sleeping on our couch that was in the run from the church of Scientology. She left the church with some documents & they were looking for her. I grew up in Clearwater Fl. & it you've ever been there they own most of downtown. They walk downtown in weird uniforms.
    I've heard similar stories. There is evil in that cult. ugh ugh ugh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tourdefranzia View Post
    No more weird than eating your dead/zombie god. (Transubstantiation)
    I think we can maintain some respect while still critiquing various theological aspects of any religion. Here in N.Y. 7 kids died because their Orthodox parents left a defective hot plate on all night and only had one smoke detector in the basement. So let's be careful when it comes to ridiculing certain beliefs. Me personally ? Starting as a teenager I had major problems with the whole virgin birth thing ; that Mary was born and lived without sin ? Really ? None. Not a single bad word ever passed her lips ? As far as transubstantiation afaic bread comes from wheat and wine comes from grapes and it takes belief in magic to believe that they really become the body and blood of Christ.
    Jesus himself said : "Do this in REMEMBRANCE of me. " Many of us believe (or believed in my case ) it was nothing more than religious symbolism, but we digress.

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    [QUOTE=Tourdefranzia;2743692]Catholics are far from being a benevolent religion. The recent coverup of the child sex abuse is a good indicator that Catholics abuse the most vulnerable among them. even Mother Theresa has been recently critized for withholding medicine and medical treatment from sick people in her hospitals. Her justification was that suffering was good for the soul. [url]https://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/2013/03/05/a

    Whoa ! Like with most Christian sects I can and do separate Catholics into Christians and Christers. I've previously defined the differences and distinctions in THIS forum.
    Historically , the Roman Catholic church has been guilty of horrendous crimes. Starting with Constantine ; through the Crusades ; the Inquisition ; the Thirty Years War ; concordats with Napoleon ; Mussolini ; Franco and Hitler. All true. All documented historical fact with plenty more besides. There are a LOT of reasons why I am a self described "recovering Catholic ". I use the term with my tongue only partly in my cheek. The other side of the coin is that there have been a LOT of good ; even great people in the church doing a LOT of very good work i.e. there is perfectly good baby in the middle of a lot of admittedly very dirty bath water. I was NEVER a big fan of Mother Theresa. Especially after reading Chris Hitchen's expose. The current Pope has been a BIG improvement over Benedict ; John Paul II , ( do we have to count JP I ? ) and Paul VI. To some extent the Catholic Church has FINALLY taken ownership of the horrendous child abuse scandal. The overly optimistic tone of some like Cardinal Dolan notwithstanding.

    All that being said ; despite grievous error and fault over almost two thousand years ; it is very difficult for me to equate the MODERN Catholic Church with Scientology. The former while imperfect is not remotely close to Scientology. When was the last time a priest threatened anyone with divulgence of what was said in confession ? But Scientology does that every day. Yes, the church used to run some pretty horrible institutions like the "homes " sic for unwed mothers in Ireland but they have been eliminated today afaik. Compare that to the SEA Organization in Scientology. Etc. Etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    I watched it. Not much in it that I haven't heard before. Scientology is more of a criminal organization than a religion. Tom Cruise is a pretty awful person to take advantage of scientology's slave labor when he's already filthy rich.
    I refuse to go to any of his movies and I USED to like his acting - "Rain Man " ; " Collateral " ;" A Few Good Men " etc. Now I can't look at him without seeing a world class jerk and maybe even a creep. I honestly think he cut a deal with the hierarchy - he makes appearances and spouts their ideology in exchange for lots of TAX FREE benefits.

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    Scientology cost Tom Cruise his marriage to Katie Holmes.

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    And Nicole Kidman. Recently in the church bulletin they talked about the dangers of Scientology and listed Nicole Kidman as a member. I told the priest that actually Kidman is Catholic, not a Scientologist.

    Eric, curious what you think about Mary Magdalene being Jesus' wife? I do the Stations of the Cross every year and she was there when he was crucified. This goes against teaching but I'm convinced she was his wife. Just recently read that there is speculation Jesus didn't die on the Cross. I haven't read the Davinci Code (I avoided because didn't think I would like) but heard a lot of this is discussed in there. The deacon at church was telling a few of us he thinks very soon women will be allowed to be deacons and eventually priests and someone else told me they think the church will do this by saying she was an Apostle (I believe she was and was at the Last Supper). After all at one time only boys could be altar servers and until a few years ago only men could get their feet washed on Holy Thursday.

    Getting back to Scientology do they also have a hierarchy?

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    ^^^ I don't know. I was never the biggest scholar of the " Book Of Desert Dweller Fairy Tales" aka The Bible. I DO know that not every Gospel made it into the Bible. There is a Book of James ; one of Thomas and one of Judas among other writings that got left out of the Vulgate and King James versions.I'm sure there is a lot of stuff that got left out like Jesus had brothers and sisters. I remember getting into trouble in H.S. when we were discussing Jesus in Religion class. I said : " When he was working with his dad as a carpenter and hit his thumb with the hammer what did he say : " Medamnit ! ? " I cracked up the class, got a dirty look from Brother Terrence and got sent to the principal. When he told me to recount what I said , Brother Andrew chuckled and said : " We used to ask the same thing in seminary. "

    If Jesus was fully human then why wouldn't he have had a wife ? It would have looked and seemed very strange for a 30 year old guy NOT to be married in the time and place where he was living i.e. Nazareth. Afaic what we know about Jesus comes from what the authors of the Gospels WANTED the reader to know. Coupled with the editing that we know occurred by the early Popes and folks like St. Jerome.

    The Pope says : " Never" when it comes to female priests or even deacons but most priests I've spoken to said they had no problem with ordaining women. If anyone is going to do it Francis could be the guy.

    Scientology does have a hierarchy and an enforcement arm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    Scientology cost Tom Cruise his marriage to Katie Holmes.
    Good for Katie ; and Penelope ; and Nicole and Mimi Rogers and all the other gals who dumped him. The way I hear it from my "La La Land" sources is that during auditing both he and Travolta admitted to a LOT of homosexual behavior which is now being used to keep them in line. I don't know. I do know exes for both have claimed that they are gay. I don't care but I'm guessing that they think coming "out" would affect their box office appeal. I also know that Scientology is anti-gay. Virulently !
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    Dude. Scientology is ALOT darker and more twisted and fucked up than any of you can imagine.

    This thread is just barely scratching the surface....

    It is akin to MK ULTRA programming and ritual abuse.

    I hate religion of all kinds, especially this disgusting dogma.

    I better leave this thread now...
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    NO ! Don't leave. Dish , dish. Sunlight is the best disinfectant ; knowledge is the greatest weapon. Fuck Scientology. You are anonymous on here so post away.

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    They're crazy for sure! When I was around 8, I woke up to find a woman sleeping on our couch that was in the run from the church of Scientology. She left the church with some documents & they were looking for her. I grew up in Clearwater Fl. & it you've ever been there they own most of downtown. They walk downtown in weird uniforms.
    Clearwater is basically scientology city now, it is seriously scary.
    "Well done. Here are the test results: You are a horrible person. I'm serious, that's what it says: 'A horrible person.' We weren't even testing for that."

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    Awww! That's sad. How can they criminalize the religion that gave us intergalactic walruses? Intergalactic walruses are my favorite thing to have ever come out of any religion!

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    In case anyone hasn't seen this, here's Tom Cruise's scientology video. It gets especially creepy around 4:20, when he starts talking about "SPs".


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