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    NY POST: "Welfare recipients took out cash at bars, liquor stores, X-rated video shops, hookah parlors and even strip clubs —---"

    What ever floats their boat, I suppose.

    The NY Post Article: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/poor_some_ugar_on_me_0Hq1d3iPnvj2RwpsEDS7MN?utm_me dium=rss&utm_content=Local


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    I dunno. If people are down on their luck, I see nothing earth-shatteringly awful about this. Maybe a trip to the strip bar cheers them up...

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    I love the Picture.... lol.

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    I have a problem with my tax money going to things like this & I didn't even know you could get cash advances on welfare? CRAZY...

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    Default Re: Welfare Money $$$ in Strip Clubs

    Next thing you know welfare will be paying greens fees at the country club.

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    I think some welfare recipients live in not-so-great areas, and the nearest ATM is at a strip club, bar, liquor store, etc. They're just getting money out, not necessarily spending it in that establishment.

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    ^Really? I will admit that I do have family members that use the system & know how this could come into play.

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    Hey I mean it's not my responsibility to see where their money came from... Cash is cash, whether it comes from a welfare recipient, a drug dealer, a lawyer, or the president.

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    If it's coming from my pocket, tax money. I don't know how much you pay in tax? but when you do, you care.

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    What about all the jerk politicians that waste our tax $?


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    Default Re: Welfare Money $$$ in Strip Clubs

    No, what I'm saying is, as a dancer I don't verify how people get their cash.

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    Hang him as well & you know if there was a story? but I will say the dancer making money from there^ will be MORE happy than welfare guy?

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    I agree with Unbeleavable, I don't want my tax dollars to go towards this. Being on welfare means tax payers are paying for you which means the money is only for things like food, shelter, needs. Strip clubs, along with other things like cable tv are not needs. I think everyone who wastes money like this should be thrown off the public dole.

    I have seen so much abuse of the system and it pisses me off. Yes they get cash advances and I have seen how some spend MY money. I saw a woman trying to buy electronics on welfare and other stories like her. Meanwhile taxes go up to support these freeloaders. I am not talking people who fell on hard times and need welfare to survive, because they aren't the ones wasting money.

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    I used to live in a neighbourhood that had a pocket of really low income people. That community had no bank (this is typical in low income and/or isolated neighbourhoods) so the lowest income people who didn't want to spend $$$ on either gas or public transit to get to the bank either relied on check cashing places that charged exorbitant rates or they'd use the ATMs at the liquor store or the grocery store, whichever was closer depending on where one lived. Had that neighbourhood a strip club no doubt many would use the ATMs there as well. This fairly common in low income communities. Perhaps the Post recognizes this, which is why they made a point of mentioning one isolated case where a BoA was located around the corner.

    Stories like this one fit the popular image of low income individuals as layabouts and thieves but that's not the reality. Like Smurfette I suspect articles like this one are actually portraying the reality of low/middle income community 'underbanking' that's fairly common across North America. Do some people on social assistance hit up strip clubs? No doubt, but relying on data from EBT records says nothing about where these people actually spent the money they withdrew. The article doesn't even quantify the percentage of transactions that involves strip clubs and liquor stores, etc. They mention 'dozens' of establishments where EBT funds were withdrawn. How many transactions per establishment? Out of what percentage overall?

    The article is sensational but doesn't shed much light. Poor-bashing at it's finest.

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    Default Re: Welfare Money $$$ in Strip Clubs

    I understand the bashing but the fact that there is even a cash advance on something you did not earn?

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    Default Re: Welfare Money $$$ in Strip Clubs

    Withdrawls of what?

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    Default Re: Welfare Money $$$ in Strip Clubs

    Withdrawals of money, usually to buy things food stamps won't pay for and these may include booze, cigarettes or things like toilet paper or tampons (and I think food stamps should be allowed for these last two things). I too lived in a low income area and I saw people taking money out to spend on things they wanted. It isn't fair to see this, especially at the time I was struggling myself.

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    Default Re: Welfare Money $$$ in Strip Clubs

    I will Tap Out by saying, I've seen both sides & when you see waist of anything it makes you think?

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    It does make one think. I used to be one of those far lefties who believed people on assistance all fell on hard times. While many are in this situation many others just get on it to abuse the system. It really changed my belief system big time, especially when I started paying more and more taxes.

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    As an ex banker I know how the devil is in the details of this story....

    The ONLY way to get money from an EBT card is thru a cash advance. It is the same way you can go into a bank to get a cash advance from your debit card with another bank. These cash advances are NOT like the kind of cash advances done on traditional credit cards. EBT and debit card cash advances only give out the money that is available in the account they are connected to.

    The problem with EBT cards is that they dont have a Mastercard or Visa logo on them. You couldnt go into a bank to get cash from an EBT card. There are only certain ATMs that will work with EBT. When each ATM is set up at a retailer away from a bank, that retailer chooses what type of cards they will accept. Chances are these retailiers ie strip clubs, liquor stores, etc choose to include EBT to draw more customers, especially if they were in poor neighborhoods.

    Just because someone withdraws the money there doesnt mean it is spent there.

    Personally I am sick to death of people bitching about welfare mothers. Corporate welfare costs this country 10times the amount of state welfare to mothers. Yet no one gets that up in arms about it.

    The majority of people who have BMWs and an EBT card are also drug dealers. No one could live a glamourous life on welfare even if you had six children and never fed them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smurfette View Post
    I think some welfare recipients live in not-so-great areas, and the nearest ATM is at a strip club, bar, liquor store, etc. They're just getting money out, not necessarily spending it in that establishment.
    Awesome insight. It hadn't occurred to me that this could entirely be the case. Damn sensationalized news!
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    Quote Originally Posted by unbeleavable View Post
    If it's coming from my pocket, tax money. I don't know how much you pay in tax? but when you do, you care.
    The instant you pay taxes, the money becomes property of the government (federal, state, whatever). It's no longer yours. It's distributed as policy-makers see fit. I like to think of tax money as a bunch of diamonds that are crushed up & swirled in a blender to create diamond dust. See this awesome video for reference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pnonj_84Ju4 Sure, I gave up a gem or two... but the diamond dust can be spread out over a greater surface area and make the world a much sparklier place.
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    ^What Sophia said.
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    I dunno, I worked at a casino and we would get people in ALL the time who would take cash out and gamble. I have worked with some "extras girls" who made 3x what your average stripper did and some of those girls are also on foodstamps/section8, etc. i too used to think welfare was a good thing for people who needed it, but I have witnesses so much abuse of the system it disgusts me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Queen Jewel View Post
    I have witnesses so much abuse of the system it disgusts me.
    It's my understanding that welfare fraud/abuse is not common. Statistics I have read hover around 2%-3%...
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    ^What Sophia said.
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    ^I don't have a problem with paying tax & I do think there should be government involvement with programs for the needy. My issue is how the money is being handed out. I don't think someone on welfare should be able to go to a ATM & withdraw cash, whether that be at a strip club or wholefoods. Like I said, I'll Tap Out of this discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unbeleavable View Post
    ^I don't have a problem with paying tax & I do think there should be government involvement with programs for the needy. My issue is how the money is being handed out. I don't think someone on welfare should be able to go to a ATM & withdraw cash, whether that be at a strip club or wholefoods. Like I said, I'll Tap Out of this discussion.
    I honestly don't understand your position. Why shouldn't they be able to withdraw money from an ATM?
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    ^What Sophia said.
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