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    hey ladies,

    there has been plenty of threads on safety precautions and the value of screening but I have failed to find an updated and timely thread on screening for well known sites like backpage or cityvibe. I been escorting and stripping for almost three years now and BP has been my number reliable money maker. There are always a guy lurking on BP! But I have ran into incidents when I was very new to escorting and pretty much gave myself away (i agreed to money and services), since then I dont discuss services (maybe compensation but I usually post it on my ad and refer guys back to my ad if they ask) and it has worked. I sometimes turn down legitimate customers because of this protocol.

    Now, for escorting forums and discussions boards, I do screen on those sites because allows me the benefit to, I can check hobbyiest reviews and their activity in discussion threads. But its almost impossible to screen in such nature on BP and cityvibe but ladies swear up and down they screen off these sites. HOW? How do you screen without scaring away potential customers or validating information. I know places such as P411 or Datecheck allow such things but BP I mean HOW? I would love to know the trick if the trade.

    I mean if I was customer and you were asking where I work or my personal information I would just move on to the next lady. Thats what they do anyways..Its not like a lady has never had a guy set a date but never arrived or returned the call. Its not like he suddenly became "unhorny" he just found another lady he felt more comfortable with.

    As of now when I do post on BP I just discuss time of arrival, duration of date and location. I give my room number when they arrive and make sure I check outside the window for LE. My last run in with LE (back in 2010) I agreed to money and service so I usually dont go that far in conversation but I have to say I have discussed such acts over the phone in the past but I can tell they were legit clients. LE is usually straight forward while guys that really like you will talk your ear off or act like you've known each other for years..I dont know..

    Is this a good practice I am using or can i improve my screening methods?? Since I have progressed in my career LE is scaring me more than ever but the extra money and financial freedom is something that cant be replaced and I dont want to give it up!!

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    you need a website to send them too with a form that they can fill out and ask them to give you details like first/last name, type of work they do, city of residence and phone/email. theres lots of info that you can get from this type of screening.


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    Will guys really take out the time fill in the form?...And what will i do with the information obtain? How does this validate them if he has no reviews?

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    you need a website to send them too with a form that they can fill out and ask them to give you details like first/last name, type of work they do, city of residence and phone/email. theres lots of info that you can get from this type of screening.

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    No matter how a guy comes to me, I screen him the same way. I get his basic info which I research, and 2 references.

    Dont get a false sense of security using what a guy writes in message boards and his reviews. *A LOT* of these guys who spend all day posting on boards are just guys who have nothing better to do than post on boards, or it could be LE buiding up a false sense of security trying to develop a history for himself. Same for reviews, there are *a lot* of fake reviews out there. Once Ive already screened a guy, looking through that stuff can give me a more well rounded view of him, but checking out a guys posts is *not* screening and not a substitute for it.

    I have a form on my website, Id say about half the guys fill out the form, the other half prefer to send me a private email with the information on my form. Its pretty non-intrusive though. I suggest signing up for VerifyHim, and with that you can run his name/email/phone in it to see if hes on any blacklists, and also to see what other info it pulls up that his info is associated with.

    Get references, check them out to make sure they are legit, and actually get in touch with and wait to hear back from them. Having refs isnt enough, I actually want her to get back to me.

    I dont take work refs cause there are too many ways to fake that and it doesnt make me feel secure. The only guys who have beenable to pass work refs held prominent positions at their company, and theres are press releases/news articles/a solid history of his profession that I can verify online. The majority of guys cant pass this.

    But yeah...basically, I dont screen guys differently depending on where they found me...I put them all through the wringer. And even though I just started advertising on BP, the guys Ive had dates with have had no problem giving me their info and references.
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    www.verifyhim.com when I was an escort this site saved my ass more times than I can count. Not just from cops but from dangerous clients.

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    okay ladies, I'm defiantly taking heed to you advice but as providers we give false names and use alternatives phones and credit cards. I'm sure clients do the same and I dont blame them. Or am I over thinking it?

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    No matter how a guy comes to me, I screen him the same way. I get his basic info which I research, and 2 references.

    Dont get a false sense of security using what a guy writes in message boards and his reviews. *A LOT* of these guys who spend all day posting on boards are just guys who have nothing better to do than post on boards, or it could be LE buiding up a false sense of security trying to develop a history for himself. Same for reviews, there are *a lot* of fake reviews out there. Once Ive already screened a guy, looking through that stuff can give me a more well rounded view of him, but checking out a guys posts is *not* screening and not a substitute for it.

    I have a form on my website, Id say about half the guys fill out the form, the other half prefer to send me a private email with the information on my form. Its pretty non-intrusive though. I suggest signing up for VerifyHim, and with that you can run his name/email/phone in it to see if hes on any blacklists, and also to see what other info it pulls up that his info is associated with.

    Get references, check them out to make sure they are legit, and actually get in touch with and wait to hear back from them. Having refs isnt enough, I actually want her to get back to me.

    I dont take work refs cause there are too many ways to fake that and it doesnt make me feel secure. The only guys who have beenable to pass work refs held prominent positions at their company, and theres are press releases/news articles/a solid history of his profession that I can verify online. The majority of guys cant pass this.

    But yeah...basically, I dont screen guys differently depending on where they found me...I put them all through the wringer. And even though I just started advertising on BP, the guys Ive had dates with have had no problem giving me their info and references.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jjfaye View Post
    okay ladies, I'm defiantly taking heed to you advice but as providers we give false names and use alternatives phones and credit cards. I'm sure clients do the same and I dont blame them. Or am I over thinking it?
    Some do yes, but if they have built up a history with that information then for me, thats what counts. If he has no references and wants to do work ref then of course giving me fake info is not going to fly... but if all the info cross checks with his references, so that Im sure that its the same / right guy then Im lenient.

    I know some ladies dont accept that, and wont accept GV numbers either...they want his full name, and personal phone in case anything happens, they know what name to give the cops in case he does something to her.

    Gotta say though, mostly hobbyists use fake info...the rest of the guys generally dont, they may have a burn phone, but use their real email and first name, or a separate email for this, but use his personal phone. With my screening I usually come across the info anyway, as long as I have it Im fine...

    The only time I had an issue with it is when someone had a fake first name, which isnt unusual, but then for screening, he said okay heres my real info, then gave me another fake name. Its one thing to say my name is John (common, I have a million "Johns" how creative lol) but for him to specifically say he was giving me his real name for screening, and he didnt, made me upset. Nowadays Id just refuse to see him, but I was new and called him out on it...he ended up giving me his actual info and turned out to be a great guy, he was just trying to be private and thought we didnt *actually* check out any info. And hey, a lot of girls dont...heck some girls collect references and then never contact them. Baffling.
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    I'm a would-be hobbyist but i thought I'd chime in on this. I think a provider is crazy if she doesn't have a reliable way to screen her dates. There is one site called date check that does screening, at least in my area. That said, these screening services want the guy's work info. I am never going to be comfortable giving that out. I'm also not comfortable lying about it. So I've never been screened. I know this is the safest way to do things for the provider, but it feels very risky for the hobbyist.

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    A bit off topic, but for you winky, the thing to keep in mind is that ladies have different ways of screening. The general rule of thumb is, we should not see a gentleman without gathering enough info to feel safe seeing him, and a gent should not give more info than he is comfortable sharing....in that, for you its best to go with a lady whose screening does not require work references. There are many out there who are newbie friendly.

    Also, you as a hobbyist are not privy to all the different methods a ladies screen..well, would be hobbyist as you have not actually ventured into the realm and dont have any experience with the process yet....and even then, no provider is going to tell you exactly how she screens as sharing that info would only teach unscrupulous guys how to get around it. So a reliable way for one may not be for another...thats a personal decision for a provider as an individual based on what makes her comfortable, but you cant assume just because a lady doesnt ask for certain info that she does not screen or is crazy.

    About the risk factor...thats why its just as important for you to do your research on a lady as it is for us to do our research on the guys who contact us. If a lady has built up a good reputation, is verified on P411/DC/RS2K and has a solid history of good reviews, the odds that she has bad intentions with your info is very slim....so when it comes to screening, try to keep in mind that she just wants to make sure a guy is not LE, and avoid ending up dead in some guys trunk...its the risk we face several times a week.
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    No doubt! I do not begrudge a lady for doing everything she needs to do to feel safe. For me it's just working up the nerve to get into the process.

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    to add what everyone has covered...

    You can try adding an autoresponder to your email. When a client emails you through the BP ad, he will instantly get the autoresponder email with all the details you require for screening plus a link to your website. The client can decide from there if that works for him.

    If really dont want to be bothered with an inbox full of unqualified leads you could use a separate email for your BP ads.
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    Has anyone tried to use SPOKEO for screening?

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    I do full screening and I've never had a client just not show up, as you mentioned. For me, if a guy is flat-out refusing to give away his information, then he's shady and I actively WANT him to move onto the next lady. Because I don't want to take a chance and then he be me who winds up locked up in jail or some psychos basement. I never managed to successfully screen anyone off backpage so I never got a single client from there, but plenty ladies have made it work.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jjfaye View Post
    Will guys really take out the time fill in the form?...And what will i do with the information obtain? How does this validate them if he has no reviews?
    The answer is, you can get some people to do anything but in the case the answer for the vast majority of clients is no, they won't. It's just too risky for them. All sorts of stories about busts and po-po finds client lists with all this personal information. Most clients use bogus names, Google phone numbers (if not throw aways on calling cards), and don't want you having the ability to back track them into their real, probably married, lives.

    This is especially true of guys on "hobby" forums who share technical and "what works" information.

    As retired LE I can tell you the best form of screening for someone using backpage (though I would hardly suggest using backpage) and other advert web sites is to put "trip traps" in place that cause LE to have to compromise themselves before sex and money are combined in the same act or conversation.

    An example of same would be to totally avoid the mention of sexual acts or money until a client is present and exposed themselves to you, or perform a sexual act. For instance, you size a client up through the hotel door peep hole, let him in, give him a hug (feeling for wires), close the door, and start to unzip his fly. No talk of money. If he's a detective he's going to stop you. He'll want to talk first. Push the issue politely, even drop to your knees. This lets you, if he's on the level, size up his hygiene as well.

    If he doesn't pass the "sniff test", he refuses to go through with the act, he could be LE. (No prosecutor or LE supervisor worth their salt is going to allow one of their officers/detectives to expose his junk or commit a sex act just to make a prosie arrest...it's too embarrassing when the details of the arrest hit the papers, and can you image the officers/detectives wife if she found out?). You end the session before its started. No talk of money has taken place, therefore no act of prostitution. Just two adults, one of whom removed consent (no means no) so the sex stopped.

    And if the guy goes through with it you can be fairly sure it's not LE and you've had a chance to check him out while cloths are still on and you can end the session more easily if he creeps you out or his hygiene suggests he's not safe to play with (or you see sores, etc).

    Wishing well to All.

    (Secondarily, if the guy writes reviews he'll comment on how friendly you are, with big hug and went for his privates even before the envelope hit the dresser top. He'll never know he was being screened)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jjfaye View Post
    okay ladies, I'm defiantly taking heed to you advice but as providers we give false names and use alternatives phones and credit cards. I'm sure clients do the same and I dont blame them. Or am I over thinking it?

    You can absolutely count on it. Knowledgable "hobbyists" (ugh, I hate that word) can provide you with bulletproof screening info, pay in cash, even have phony ID (though that's tougher to do since 9/11). They aren't trying to fool you. They just want to be safe from acts of extortion, agents of snooping divorce lawyers, and providers (not fond of that term either) who don't destroy screening info collected on their clients.
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    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden_Rule View Post
    The answer is, you can get some people to do anything but in the case the answer for the vast majority of clients is no, they won't. It's just too risky for them. All sorts of stories about busts and po-po finds client lists with all this personal information. Most clients use bogus names, Google phone numbers (if not throw aways on calling cards), and don't want you having the ability to back track them into their real, probably married, lives.

    This is especially true of guys on "hobby" forums who share technical and "what works" information.

    As retired LE I can tell you the best form of screening for someone using backpage (though I would hardly suggest using backpage) and other advert web sites is to put "trip traps" in place that case LE to have to compromise themselves before sex and money are combined in the same act or conversation.

    An example of same would be to totally avoid the mention of sexual acts or money until a client is present and exposed themselves to you, or perform a sexual act. For instance, you seize a client up through the hotel door peep hole, let him in, give him a hug (feeling for wires), close the door, and start to unzip his fly. No talk of money. If he's a detective he's going to stop you. He'll want to talk first. Push the issue politely, even drop to your knees. This lets you, if he's on the level, size up his hygiene as well.

    If he doesn't pass the "sniff test", he refuses to go through with the act, he could be LE. (No prosecutor or LE supervisor worth their salt is going to allow one of their officers/detectives to expose his junk or commit a sex act just to make a prosie arrest...it's too embarrassing when the details of the arrest hit the papers, and can you image the officers/detectives wife if she found out?). You end the session before its started. No talk of money has taken place, therefore no act of prostitution. Just two adults, one of whom removed consent (no means no) so the sex stopped.

    And if the guy goes through with it you can be fairly sure it's not LE and you've had a chance to check him out while cloths are still on and you can end the session more easily if he creeps you out or his hygiene suggests he's not safe to play with (or you see sores, etc).

    Wishing well to All.
    This great information.

    However, I have heard that LE CAN expose themselves and even have sex with you as a form of entrapment or evidence for arrest. I've also read that even just walking into a room that's set up for a sting will still lead to an arrest, maybe not convict you, but you are still on record nontheless.

    Please correct me if I am wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golden_Rule View Post
    The answer is, you can get some people to do anything but in the case the answer for the vast majority of clients is no, they won't. It's just too risky for them. All sorts of stories about busts and po-po finds client lists with all this personal information. Most clients use bogus names, Google phone numbers (if not throw aways on calling cards), and don't want you having the ability to back track them into their real, probably married, lives.

    This is especially true of guys on "hobby" forums who share technical and "what works" information.

    As retired LE I can tell you the best form of screening for someone using backpage (though I would hardly suggest using backpage) and other advert web sites is to put "trip traps" in place that case LE to have to compromise themselves before sex and money are combined in the same act or conversation.

    An example of same would be to totally avoid the mention of sexual acts or money until a client is present and exposed themselves to you, or perform a sexual act. For instance, you seize a client up through the hotel door peep hole, let him in, give him a hug (feeling for wires), close the door, and start to unzip his fly. No talk of money. If he's a detective he's going to stop you. He'll want to talk first. Push the issue politely, even drop to your knees. This lets you, if he's on the level, size up his hygiene as well.

    If he doesn't pass the "sniff test", he refuses to go through with the act, he could be LE. (No prosecutor or LE supervisor worth their salt is going to allow one of their officers/detectives to expose his junk or commit a sex act just to make a prosie arrest...it's too embarrassing when the details of the arrest hit the papers, and can you image the officers/detectives wife if she found out?). You end the session before its started. No talk of money has taken place, therefore no act of prostitution. Just two adults, one of whom removed consent (no means no) so the sex stopped.

    And if the guy goes through with it you can be fairly sure it's not LE and you've had a chance to check him out while cloths are still on and you can end the session more easily if he creeps you out or his hygiene suggests he's not safe to play with (or you see sores, etc).

    Wishing well to All.
    This great information.

    However, I have heard that LE CAN expose themselves and even have sex with you as a form of entrapment or evidence for arrest. I've also read that even just walking into a room that's set up for a sting will still lead to an arrest, maybe not convict you, but you are still on record nontheless.

    Please correct me if I am wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LitaDuBarry View Post
    This great information.

    However, I have heard that LE CAN expose themselves and even have sex with you as a form of entrapment or evidence for arrest. I've also read that even just walking into a room that's set up for a sting will still lead to an arrest, maybe not convict you, but you are still on record nontheless.

    Please correct me if I am wrong.
    Yup definitely... a cop can do whatever he likes sexually and then bust you at the end. They can arrest you even with nothing though.... it likely won't hold up in court, but you'd still be arrested and sit in a cell for a bit until they let you go. Just putting an "escort-type" ad on somewhere like BP and inviting a cop in is enough for probable cause, which then lets them search you and the room and seize things they think could be evidence (laptop, phone, cash) and they'll be hoping they find drugs or a weapon to hold against you too. Later they'll probably offer you a lower charge if you plead guilty since they know they have no evidence, but if you pay $$$ for a lawyer you may well get off with no final charges. Then you can start the process to see if you'll ever be able to claim back your laptop etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LitaDuBarry View Post
    This great information.

    However, I have heard that LE CAN expose themselves and even have sex with you as a form of entrapment or evidence for arrest. I've also read that even just walking into a room that's set up for a sting will still lead to an arrest, maybe not convict you, but you are still on record nontheless.

    Please correct me if I am wrong.
    Yup definitely... a cop can do whatever he likes sexually and then bust you at the end. They can arrest you even with nothing though.... it likely won't hold up in court, but you'd still be arrested and sit in a cell for a bit until they let you go. Just putting an "escort-type" ad on somewhere like BP and inviting a cop in is enough for probable cause, which then lets them search you and the room and seize things they think could be evidence (laptop, phone, cash) and they'll be hoping they find drugs or a weapon to hold against you too. Later they'll probably offer you a lower charge if you plead guilty since they know they have no evidence, but if you pay $$$ for a lawyer you may well get off with no final charges. Then you can start the process to see if you'll ever be able to claim back your laptop etc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by LitaDuBarry View Post
    This great information. However, I have heard that LE CAN expose themselves and even have sex with you as a form of entrapment or evidence for arrest. I've also read that even just walking into a room that's set up for a sting will still lead to an arrest, maybe not convict you, but you are still on record nontheless. Please correct me if I am wrong.
    It's not entrapment. Entrapment negates the ability to make a bust stick. The answer is they can, but they won't. It's been tried in the past and the public backlash when it hit the papers, because a smart lawyer made the officer/detective testify as to how the bust went down so it was in the public record, was so outraged that no one is going there again. The headline went something like: "Officers on the clock paid to have sex with prostitutes on tax payers dime!" It didn't go over well and no one cared that it led to arrests (charges dropped to make it all go away).

    As to the other... The police are allowed to search the area under the suspects control for their own safety. Gals who have laptops, weapons and drugs in their rooms playing a fool's game. Laptops should be in safe rooms, or posted over wifi from car you leave it in and lock when you leave it. Never in the same room you are working from.
    Fiat justitia, pereat mundus.


    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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    Default Re: Screening off BP or other known websites: Am I doing it right?

    Quote Originally Posted by Miss_McKenna View Post
    Yup definitely... a cop can do whatever he likes sexually and then bust you at the end. They can arrest you even with nothing though.... it likely won't hold up in court, but you'd still be arrested and sit in a cell for a bit until they let you go. Just putting an "escort-type" ad on somewhere like BP and inviting a cop in is enough for probable cause, which then lets them search you and the room and seize things they think could be evidence (laptop, phone, cash) and they'll be hoping they find drugs or a weapon to hold against you too. Later they'll probably offer you a lower charge if you plead guilty since they know they have no evidence, but if you pay $$$ for a lawyer you may well get off with no final charges. Then you can start the process to see if you'll ever be able to claim back your laptop etc.
    No it isn't. Not unless they lie anyway. Crimes consist of specific elements that must be present for charging to take place. If an element is missing you can't charge with that crime. In most jurisdictions the elements for the crime of prostitution are two:1) a sexual act that takes place in exchange of 2) something of value (usually money). An officer coming in response to a hotel room where the ad doesn't mention sexual acts and/or no money changes hands one or more of the elements is missing and the charge can't be filed unless someone is willing to lie about it.


    As to the other... The police are allowed to search the area under the suspects control for their own safety. Gals who have laptops, weapons and drugs in their rooms ate playing a fool's game. Laptops should be in safe rooms, or posted over wifi from car you leave it in and lock when you leave it. Never in the same room you are working from.
    Fiat justitia, pereat mundus.


    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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    Default Re: Screening off BP or other known websites: Am I doing it right?

    I personally use a background checking service like BeenVerified to screen BP and Eros guys that can't provide me a reference. Even when asking for references, if I can't find reviews/website/something that tells me this provider is real, I won't see the guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ButterflyGem View Post
    I personally use a background checking service like BeenVerified to screen BP and Eros guys that can't provide me a reference. Even when asking for references, if I can't find reviews/website/something that tells me this provider is real, I won't see the guy.
    I think it is a great idea to screen through background services, but what do you do when a guy gives your false information? I feel every time I try to screen guys through backpage they try to get around my screening by giving me false information. Like how do you even get them to give you their real number if they are calling through GoogleVoice or you can't find which person they are on the search results from the background services such as BeenVerified?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LitaDuBarry View Post
    This great information.

    However, I have heard that LE CAN expose themselves and even have sex with you as a form of entrapment or evidence for arrest. I've also read that even just walking into a room that's set up for a sting will still lead to an arrest, maybe not convict you, but you are still on record nontheless.

    Please correct me if I am wrong.
    I was gunna say, I saw a thread on here not too long ago where the escort was giving a bj to a cop and was busted right in the middle of it, so apparently it happens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LitaDuBarry View Post
    This great information.

    However, I have heard that LE CAN expose themselves and even have sex with you as a form of entrapment or evidence for arrest. I've also read that even just walking into a room that's set up for a sting will still lead to an arrest, maybe not convict you, but you are still on record nontheless.

    Please correct me if I am wrong.
    I was gunna say, I saw a thread on here not too long ago where the escort was giving a bj to a cop and was busted right in the middle of it, so apparently it happens.

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