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    Default Why do you think some guys have gotten so cheap?

    I see stuff like this on MGF and ELM all the time:

    "Human Wheelbarrow Cast - 1 Female Nude, 1 Male or Female wearing shorts, T-Shirt and barefoot. Setting - a small, well lite room. Camera - Stationary. Outline - The Video is to open with the Male or Female lying on the floor, stomach down with their feet facing the camera. The nude female is to walk into the room pick up the feet and begin wheelbarrowing the Male or Female around the room. You are to wheelbarrow him or her around the room for 3 minutes. If at any point a break is taken, you must put down the wheelbarrow and walk out of shot. At that point stop the camera. Upon restart, the male or female is lye back where he/she was left. The Nude female is to walk back into shot pick up the feet and continue the wheelbarrow. When the 3 minutes has expired, the nude female is to wheelbarrow the person back to the center, drop the feet and walk out of the room, leaving the male or female lying in the center of the room. Note at all times during the wheelbarrow, the nude female and the wheelbarrow is be in the shot and remain in focus. Camera should not have to zoom in or out, nor should you both ever be out of the picture. Credits 15"

    So $15 for something I doubt I'd EVER be able to resell and that would be kind of annoying to film? No. Depending on what site that's on, you'd get around $10.

    So, I'm posing the question..when you read stuff like that from guys, do you think they're just being cheap, or do you think they don't know better, or do you think they've gotten used to some models charging so little for stuff that they just assume it's the norm? This applies to cam shows and Gold shows, too.
    I'm interested to hear what everyone thinks.

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    Default Re: Why do you think some guys have gotten so cheap?

    i dont get cheap guys on mgf, my prices drive them away. i get some freebie hunters but mostly noobs driven to mgf by free stuff given by the signup contest. my guess is IT HAS BECOME MORE POPULAR THEREFORE MORE PEOPLE MEANS HIGHER % OF THOSE NOT REALLY INTERESTED IN PAYING. honestly porn site subscriptions have always been cheaper than us, i am surprised by prices we can pull.

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    Default Re: Why do you think some guys have gotten so cheap?

    ELM is the absolute worst for cheap guys. I have given up replying to any emails I get through there. Sometimes I go and read the requests for a giggle though, they are so ridiculous and the offered credits, LOL!

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    Default Re: Why do you think some guys have gotten so cheap?

    elm guys want interaction and customs like mgf but feel entitled to pay the minimum prices of instant download sites...

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    Default Re: Why do you think some guys have gotten so cheap?

    People have less money to spend right now, in turn girls feel the pinch and lower prices to get sales, the guys get used to and expect the lower prices and many won't go back to paying more even when they have more to spend.

    So I believe it's a combination of guys not having money to spend and girls lowering their rates instead of holding out through tough times.
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    Default Re: Why do you think some guys have gotten so cheap?

    Because they've seen other cam girls offer Skype shows for 200 tokens on MFC...or SM private shows for 1.99/minute.....So when they go into other rooms and see that we're charging MORE for Skype...or MORE for premium/exclusive, they think we're just a bunch of divas with unrealistic prices, and they try to get us to drop our prices...like this is one of those New York City street vendors or something. LOL.

    And then some guys really are that self-entitled, thinking that we SHOULD give them a "deal" just because they said so. And that is when we should remind them that this isn't a yard sale.....
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    Default Re: Why do you think some guys have gotten so cheap?

    In all honesty I don't think guys have become cheap either.

    Guys who are like "custom [insert book-length essay on his fetish] - 2 hrs long foar $15 plzthnxkbai hoe!" - To them I'm just like "hahaha! You what? O how precious. Run along now!"

    Those guys will always exist and probably always existed since the dawn of sex work!... Whether it's because they don't know any better, have had experiences with girls who have for whatever reason gone out of their way for $15, or whether they have some kind of narcissistic entitlement issues - we may never know... But they exist, and as we know, dealing them is unfortunately just a part of the territory.

    Just these past few days I've had guys take me exclusive at 14.99 per min at least once a night, for at least a few mins. But I also had an old reg I haven't seen in ages, take me exclusive for 14 mins last night even though my OLD rates were WAY cheaper when he last saw me! - This gives me hope.

    I've also gained the tags "expensive", and "expensive bitch" on SM - and for this, I will be eternally thankful... for my face shall appear on the search results for all men with fat wallets seeking out expensive bitches! Yes! They shall know where I stand!

    For as long as men abundantly want us sex workers, I'll always choose to be an expensive hoe over a cheap hoe no matter how many shockers of custom requests that might land in my inbox. We could make a fucking 5 minute finger-painting of some of the elaborate acts they want us to do for more money.





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    Default Re: Why do you think some guys have gotten so cheap?

    Loveshooks Mgf guys are not cheap and you CAN bank on mgf i find very few cheap guys there but never cared and my regs are happy to see my feedback count increase. my banking has increased in the past year dueto increase of my regs. true that some men in sex industry always felt entitled to frree shit and lowballing us.

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    Default Re: Why do you think some guys have gotten so cheap?

    Most of them just cannot afford this luxury service and feel entitled to have something given to them for discount or free.

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    Default Re: Why do you think some guys have gotten so cheap?

    @Carmen, I was speaking to site culture, which doesn't imply that every single customer fits a specfic mold or that it's impossible to bank. What I was referring to is the fact that sites (all sites) foster or validate certain customer attitudes and behaviours. Those cultures either make it easier or more difficult for cam chicas to reach $$$$ goals, but success is possible anywhere. That was actually the point I was trying to get across

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    Site cultures/streams of traffic nurture either one or the other, but both types of men exist everywhere
    That doesn't negate your success on mgf. Props on making that site work for you

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    Default Re: Why do you think some guys have gotten so cheap?

    Some guys have always been cheap so nothing new there. As it is free porn tube sites is to blame.
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    Default Re: Why do you think some guys have gotten so cheap?

    Factors that I think contribute to an influx of 'cheap' guys:
    1. "All porn is free. Why should I pay for customized or live porn when I can just watch a video? I better haggle with this lady to make myself feel better about paying anything at all."
    2. "Hm... there are some girls on this website that are a lot cheaper than others. Why shouldn't all girls be that cheap? (ie: customers not taking into account that different people charge different prices depending on their own preferences, as well as factors like video quality, extras like phone/toys/costumes.)
    3. "But my DICK is SO FUCKING SPECIAL! WHY DOESN'T ANYONE WANT TO SEE MY SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE DICK FOR FREE?"

    Most people don't/can't/won't believe that this is actually a job that you can love, enjoy, and treat like a real business. I sell handmade and extremely detailed costumes sometimes, and I get the same sort of people, who think you can get a custom made costume complete with accessories, wigs, etc, for Halloween discount prices.

    Luckily, there are no Halloween discount porn warehouses.
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    Default Re: Why do you think some guys have gotten so cheap?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaana View Post
    I see stuff like this on MGF and ELM all the time:

    "Human Wheelbarrow Cast - 1 Female Nude, 1 Male or Female wearing shorts, T-Shirt and barefoot. Setting - a small, well lite room. Camera - Stationary. Outline - The Video is to open with the Male or Female lying on the floor, stomach down with their feet facing the camera. The nude female is to walk into the room pick up the feet and begin wheelbarrowing the Male or Female around the room. You are to wheelbarrow him or her around the room for 3 minutes. If at any point a break is taken, you must put down the wheelbarrow and walk out of shot. At that point stop the camera. Upon restart, the male or female is lye back where he/she was left. The Nude female is to walk back into shot pick up the feet and continue the wheelbarrow. When the 3 minutes has expired, the nude female is to wheelbarrow the person back to the center, drop the feet and walk out of the room, leaving the male or female lying in the center of the room. Note at all times during the wheelbarrow, the nude female and the wheelbarrow is be in the shot and remain in focus. Camera should not have to zoom in or out, nor should you both ever be out of the picture. Credits 15"

    So $15 for something I doubt I'd EVER be able to resell and that would be kind of annoying to film? No. Depending on what site that's on, you'd get around $10.

    So, I'm posing the question..when you read stuff like that from guys, do you think they're just being cheap, or do you think they don't know better, or do you think they've gotten used to some models charging so little for stuff that they just assume it's the norm? This applies to cam shows and Gold shows, too.
    I'm interested to hear what everyone thinks.

    P:s: That "script" was taken from a public area of a website, No one's privacy was compromised.
    When I get request this specific I assume/know that he is running a studio somewhere and is trying to make big bucks off of my hard work in resell efforts. It sucks! Ive found my content on several c4s sites because I offer obscure fetishes. And yeah they know better! Once I upped my prices I saw decrease in content theft. The regular guy knows better as well. I don't care how stupid a guy appears I think its innate for them to take advantage. What's stupid is the girls who fall for it.



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    Default Re: Why do you think some guys have gotten so cheap?

    I honestly think that it is a combination of factors that make a lot of men cheap - but for the record, I'm not sure that there are more guys BECOMING cheap - I just think that as webcamming becomes more mainstream and popular, there are more guys logging on, more sites, more girls, more EVERYTHING. And the more guys there are, the more cheapskates there are. I just think that the proportions have changed a little, and not for the better.

    1. A BIG part of it is girls underselling themselves. Which is why it drives me nuts when someone says "why do you care what another girl does? Just do YOUR thing, and ignore her. It's none of your business what she does". It is EXACTLY my business. Literally my business. If I ever thought that guys don't look around at what other girls are doing and expect the same, that has been completely crushed by gold shows - since it became common to give something to the high tipper, or sell pics/vids with goldshows, guys get really surprised and butthurt if I don't do that. So when other girls are offering x for $pathetically small amount, they expect it from others.

    2. Tubesites. Piratebay. Hulu. How many of us download our music, tv, and movies for free? Hypocritical as it is, I do. I make a point of going to shows, cinemas, and buying related merch for the bands/shows/franchises that I want to support, but yeah, I download a lot for free. And so do most people. So it is common to expect to find everything that is in that same format for free - including porn.

    3. Entitlement. Its something that I notice everywhere - rude, entitled assholes. And it crosses over. Guys think that they "deserve" a deal, or something special, or a freebie. They think that they should be able to get anything they want, and take pride in finding ways to "get past the system". You know the ones - they find "tricks" to skip lines, abuse the honor system with auto-checkouts in supermarkets, steal cable, ding the floor model and ask to buy it for a discount. They are ASSHOLES, and pretty much sum up the self-centered problem with the world.

    I shall stop now, before I get angry and worked up. Well...more so.
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    Default Re: Why do you think some guys have gotten so cheap?

    I too do not think they have gotten cheap. I do great on ELM and just recently got 80 credits for a B/G custom that wasnt too crazy and very re-sellable.
    I just got $50 for a simple custom on MGF. I sell stuff all day every day for $25 plus from Ebanned and am doing skype shows for $3/min.
    Guys are gonna try to get things as cheap as possible and I cant blame them. They arent gonna say, "oh honey let me offer you what you think you deserve"
    You just gotta flat out tell them NO. Be expensive and they will pay it.

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    Default Re: Why do you think some guys have gotten so cheap?

    Quote Originally Posted by ManyRoses View Post

    3. Entitlement. Its something that I notice everywhere - rude, entitled assholes. And it crosses over. Guys think that they "deserve" a deal, or something special, or a freebie. They think that they should be able to get anything they want, and take pride in finding ways to "get past the system". You know the ones - they find "tricks" to skip lines, abuse the honor system with auto-checkouts in supermarkets, steal cable, ding the floor model and ask to buy it for a discount. They are ASSHOLES, and pretty much sum up the self-centered problem with the world.

    I shall stop now, before I get angry and worked up. Well...more so.
    I had a guy today complaining about my prices on SM today..so I gave him my simple yet sweet standard response of "I'm worth it"...usually that shuts them up and they get a pvt or scramble back to the hole they came from...
    But no...he still keeps badgering me...so I tell him "sorry..but there are men here who can afford me and value me.." does he leave no....and what is his response.."we'll they aren't working with a tool like mine"...
    Um excuse me..first of all this is the Internet I don't care how big your dick is t doesn't come near me so I don't care how fucking big it is.. What was he expecting for me to say "oh yeah let me lower my exclusive to $1.99 since your so well hung...on second thought I'll just run you a $1 gold show for 20 minutes.."
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManyRoses View Post

    1. A BIG part of it is girls underselling themselves. Which is why it drives me nuts when someone says "why do you care what another girl does? Just do YOUR thing, and ignore her. It's none of your business what she does". It is EXACTLY my business. Literally my business. If I ever thought that guys don't look around at what other girls are doing and expect the same, that has been completely crushed by gold shows - since it became common to give something to the high tipper, or sell pics/vids with goldshows, guys get really surprised and butthurt if I don't do that. So when other girls are offering x for $pathetically small amount, they expect it from others.

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    Default Re: Why do you think some guys have gotten so cheap?

    Same reasons they got so cheap in strip clubs: too much supply = decreased demand = lowered price. Simple economics. There are a thousand factors, but the bottom line is that just like stripping became mainstream not too many years ago and stripper earning potential plummeted, camming has become mainstream and camgirl earning potential is plummeting.

    This doesn't mean a girl can't still earn a good living at it. It just means you have to adapt and adjust your hustle to maximize your potential. Those who work smart will succeed, while many more will putter along just making ends meet, while tons others will try it and give up quickly. Same as in stripping.
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    Default Re: Why do you think some guys have gotten so cheap?

    I find that there are definitely certain sites that cater to cheaper customers and there is a way I combat that.
    I make it a HUGE POINT that what I offer 1. is near impossible to find elsewhere 2. authentic/real 3. high quality and professional.
    I set the standard for myself as an internet performer incredibly high and because of that, I've been rewarded rather well.

    When I first started camming, I didn't value myself and thought any money was good money. I had 2.50/min shows on a niche cam site. Total horseshit.
    The guys who are cheap are not the kind of customers we, as pro models want anyway, and I think that there are still guys out there willing to pay top dollar. I just think certain sites have made the cheap ones more apparent.

    On ELM I refuse to do cheap material. I can't believe how many girls on that site will sell ALL THEIR VIDEOS EVER FOR 10 CREDITS. Seriously? Has anyone spoken to these girls? If I owned a site like that I would message them and eventually set a minimum limit.

    As far as my response to guys who think I'm expensive, I bring up quality over quantity. Would you rather an amazing show you can think about for days or a show that seems like a damn recording? That's what I thought.
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    reading more posts MOST PEOPLE feel like entitled assholes towards everything. when my granma couldn't afford something (most of unnecessary things) she would just quiet down and be happy with what she had. now if people cant afford music or movies they download them, clothing stores have cheap bad quality stuff so that everyone can fill their cupboards with crap, the other day i was walking with a friend around street and in front of a handmade clothing seller she screamed IT S TOO EXPENSIVE. what? that person makes original clothes herself yet you require a silly price? instead of accepting what we can afford we want more for less. EVERYWHERE. after joining adult industry i stopped pirating, i rather listen to music from youtube and i click on ads and stuff. add that to the respect most men never had for women ESPECIALLY when using their hot bodies to exploit males' weaknesses.... plus men always felt entitled to free pussy... so it always happened but our entitled asshats minds make us think that everyone should afford mainstream stuff for cheap. what a deadly mix. so it's mainstream = more traffic = more cheapasses.

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    A friend of mine refers to this as being The Age of Entitlement as opposed to the The Age of Enlightenment....it is everywhere.
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    Default Re: Why do you think some guys have gotten so cheap?

    Quote Originally Posted by Classy_Katy View Post
    A friend of mine refers to this as being The Age of Entitlement as opposed to the The Age of Enlightenment....it is everywhere.
    Its because mainstream society was sneaky and told (and still tells!) everyone that a degree is their ticket to anything they have ever wanted. So warped... examples?: Can't find a job? Blame it on the economy! Can't have something you want? Blame it on the prices! People need to take responsibility for themselves, but its not going to happen in this generation.

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    Default Re: Why do you think some guys have gotten so cheap?

    saying society tells people something is blaming someone else and not those who decide to listen without thinking lol

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    Default Re: Why do you think some guys have gotten so cheap?

    We are taught a great deal and from an early age. On thing we're taught is that happiness lies outside ourselves...that we need things to have it, so then we get advertising telling us we need stuff that we didn't even previously want, we're persuaded to buy things on the basis that they are bargains...that it's good to get something for less than what it's worth, only an idiot would pay full price for something. Certainly we don't want to spend more than we need to, but there is a pressure to always seek the bargains and get things cheap.

    That's why people buy 2 for 1 in the supermarket...it's a bargain! Doesn't matter that they only need one and will through the other one out because it's gone out of date, and means they actually spent more because 1 was cheaper than the bargain price of 2.
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