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    Default C4S FINALLY cracking down on miscategorized clips!

    As someone who is sick and tired of seeing categories flooded with irrelevant clips that bump relevant clips off of the list, I'm VERY happy to see this change coming!

    Customers are key to your success and we want to make sure they can find exactly what they want, as quickly as possible!

    With that thought in mind, we have been developing a new search feature and updating our current searches to increase the speed of results.

    ALL STUDIO OWNERS - Please be very careful when you select your main clip category because now if a clip is incorrectly categorized we will be checking and deactivating those clips as they are reported.

    If you post your clips in more than one format (Ex. WMV and MOV) and you post your clips in a different category for each format, then the clips will be reviewed. Please do not category spam, meaning make sure your clip is relevant to the category you have chosen.

    Clips that are incorrectly categorized will be deactivated and possibly removed.

    Also, we have had many customer complaints recently about incorrect category updates. If you see a clip in a category that is not relevant to that category, please let us know and we will review the clip! Please help us, help you and your customers have the best experience on Clips4Sale.com!

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    Default Re: C4S FINALLY cracking down on miscategorized clips!

    Sucks for the girls who make their big bucks off posting the same clip 3, 4, 5+ times in different categories lol. Looks like thats going to end up getting your store shut down for spamming, even if its a relevant category. C4s has finally caught on to this recent trend. Something in the back of my mind told me that it would never be a good idea to do that because c4s would eventually crack down on it. Now I definitely am certain it will never be a good idea to do that.

    I'm not surprised they are cracking down on this though. I've seen girls do this like crazy in the last like 4 months, in order to get many more hits. Its essentially as many more hits as it would be to add a brand new clip, only without the real work or substance. And suddenly, every girl started doing it.

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    Default Re: C4S FINALLY cracking down on miscategorized clips!

    It's ok to post different formats in different categories so long as they really belong there.
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    Default Re: C4S FINALLY cracking down on miscategorized clips!

    Quote Originally Posted by Classy_Katy View Post
    It's ok to post different formats in different categories so long as they really belong there.
    If it is, then why are they now reviewing those for spam?

    "If you post your clips in more than one format (Ex. WMV and MOV) and you post your clips in a different category for each format, then the clips will be reviewed. "

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    Default Re: C4S FINALLY cracking down on miscategorized clips!

    What does this mean tho? It sounds to me like every fetish you do if you offer multiple fetish needs its own store now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snowy0Star View Post
    What does this mean tho? It sounds to me like every fetish you do if you offer multiple fetish needs its own store now.
    I think its fine unless you put things in a different category AND/OR you spam your store with the same clip over again in different categories just to get hits. That's all I got out of that message.

    The thing with C4S is that you really should not break the rules because I don't think they give warnings. I think they just act on the issue and then post a message about it + all future relevant issues.

    So I'd be more concerned that, if you continue to break the rules by posting in the wrong categories and/or reposting the same clip in different categories just to get hits, that they will just up and delete your store without warning & then let you know after they've done it. I would not risk it just to possibly get more hits. Not worth it. Take this as a "we know what you are doing, you have been warned to stop or we will delete your store for breaking the rules" message.

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    Default Re: C4S FINALLY cracking down on miscategorized clips!

    I am not happy about this change for the girls like me that post my leather/spit clip in both the spit and leather category... which is a legitimate posting. I hope for those of us that are posting to multiple categories rightfully, this won't be a problem... that or they need to remove a bunch of the similar/same categories, like spitting vs. Spit fetish...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vela Valentine View Post
    I am not happy about this change for the girls like me that post my leather/spit clip in both the spit and leather category... which is a legitimate posting. I hope for those of us that are posting to multiple categories rightfully, this won't be a problem... that or they need to remove a bunch of the similar/same categories, like spitting vs. Spit fetish...
    Well its still spamming though, which is against the rules. Posting the same clip over & over in different categories just to get hits. And that is one of the issues they mentioned that they are now looking out for. So I personally would not do it since they've already warned everyone to stop. Its only really been a big trend in the last few months, I've noticed.

    I'm not surprised either. Most customers check more than one category, and it must get annoying to have to go double check to see if you have already purchased that clip or not just because some girl listed the same clip yesterday in a different category. And then now a bunch of girls are doing that. If I was a customer, I'd personally be annoyed too. So I can see why this was brought to their attention through several customer complaints.


    What I suspect will happen is, Clips4Sale will soon allow you to tag your clip with 5 relevant categories (like they already do), only they will all be visible so that you cannot repost the clip again in your stores since you already put it in 5 categories.

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    Default Re: C4S FINALLY cracking down on miscategorized clips!

    ^^^ c4s should've been doing it so we could tag several categories from the get go and they would all show up, I think... would've saved everyone, models and themselves, a TON of time.

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    Default Re: C4S FINALLY cracking down on miscategorized clips!

    Basically you can post the same clip in multiple formats but in one cat. No MP4 in lactating and MOV of the same clip in nipple play. Is that right? Or are they saying it will be reviewed but removed only if its the wrong cat?
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    Default Re: C4S FINALLY cracking down on miscategorized clips!

    'Please do not category spam, meaning make sure your clip is relevant to the category you have chosen.'

    Well, that really clearly says that you CAN post different formats in different categories, as long as it is relevant to each category. No need to panic as long as the clips are relevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drearea View Post
    Basically you can post the same clip in multiple formats but in one cat. No MP4 in lactating and MOV of the same clip in nipple play. Is that right? Or are they saying it will be reviewed but removed only if its the wrong cat?
    That is correct. Because those who post the same clip in multiple categories have 1.) an unfair, unequal sales advantage to their peers, and 2.) are spamming, which pisses off customers and makes them not want to buy any clips because they don't know which ones the have purchased and which ones they have not. You also need to label one as .mov and the other as .wmv (or whatever format) in the title so its clear what the difference is and the can double check they don't have that one.

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    Default Re: C4S FINALLY cracking down on miscategorized clips!

    Keep in mind also that if you have posted your clips to multiple categories then all versions won't show up when people are searching your store. When they click to your store from a category's "recently updated" link, they will see clips in your store from that specific category by default.

    I love this change, and from their wording it does seem that they're in the process of allowing your clips to by default show up in whatever categories you have them tagged with, rather than just the default one. I really hope that's the case.

    I for one will continue to only upload a standard and mobile version of each clip. With tech nowadays there's really no reason to have the same video in 7 different formats. I just put at the top of my store that if they are having any trouble viewing my clips they can download VLC media player which can open pretty much anything in any format with any codecs.
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    Default Re: C4S FINALLY cracking down on miscategorized clips!

    Okay wait, hang on.

    I post one video as two clips (hd and standard def); let's say I did a video of me cleaning my house in a maid outfit; I categorize the hd one as "maid fetish" and the standard def one as "housecleaning". Is that now spamming? They're both relevant to the video.

    It's not like I'm posting my hd clip in maid fetish, then housecleaning, then stockings, then panty fetish, then high heels... etc., which is what (to me) would be spamming. So... are they saying THIS isn't allowed, or are they saying post one video as one category and that's it?


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    Quote Originally Posted by MissEgo View Post
    Okay wait, hang on.

    I post one video as two clips (hd and standard def); let's say I did a video of me cleaning my house in a maid outfit; I categorize the hd one as "maid fetish" and the standard def one as "housecleaning". Is that now spamming? They're both relevant to the video.

    It's not like I'm posting my hd clip in maid fetish, then housecleaning, then stockings, then panty fetish, then high heels... etc., which is what (to me) would be spamming. So... are they saying THIS isn't allowed, or are they saying post one video as one category and that's it?
    I'm pretty sure that's still considered spamming. I mean, where else do they draw the line? You could also upload it a third time in wmv and put it in costumes. You could upload it a fourth time in mp4 and put it in teens. A fifth time for ipads and then put it in brunettes if you have brown hair. A sixth time and you could put it in ass fetish assuming the clip mainly focuses on your ass and bending over. A seventh time and you could put it in voyeur since its not a POV clip.

    ...See what I mean? So now they are saying 1 clip per category. OK to have 2 formats of it (maybe?), but it has to be reviewed anyway to make sure you have differentiated in the title what the 2nd format of it is, and to also make sure its in the same category so that guys won't buy it twice thinking its a new clip in a new category.

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    Default Re: C4S FINALLY cracking down on miscategorized clips!

    Quote Originally Posted by MissEgo View Post
    Okay wait, hang on.

    I post one video as two clips (hd and standard def); let's say I did a video of me cleaning my house in a maid outfit; I categorize the hd one as "maid fetish" and the standard def one as "housecleaning". Is that now spamming? They're both relevant to the video.

    It's not like I'm posting my hd clip in maid fetish, then housecleaning, then stockings, then panty fetish, then high heels... etc., which is what (to me) would be spamming. So... are they saying THIS isn't allowed, or are they saying post one video as one category and that's it?

    That would be fine, as they are in relevant categories. Their point seems to be that some people (and I've seen this) upload the same video in a bazillion different formats and then use different categories to get around the "don't spam a category" rule.

    More often than not the categories they use are only vaguely related to their clip. For example, "Oh, I'm smiling a lot in the clip so let's put it in teeth fetish too!"

    If the video is the SAME video (same size, bitrate, blah blah blah) but in a different format, it's considered spamming. If the video is a different file size or device type (HD versus normal versus mobile) it's acceptable.

    Though this is purely my interpretation, it does make sense.
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    I personally would follow the rules from now on guys. I mean, they warned you. What are you going to do/say when they up and delete your store for breaking the rules? You can't say you didn't know because they posted that message and you agreed to it.

    So what will happen if you continue to break the rules?

    "Please be very careful when you select your main clip category because now if a clip is incorrectly categorized we will be checking and deactivating those clips as they are reported."

    Your clip will be deactivated without your knowledge, so you will have put work in that you could have spent making and uploading a new clip. And I'm sure if that happens enough, it will flag your store, and then your while store will get deactivated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by loveshooks View Post
    they aren't saying that putting diff versions of the same clip in more than one category is spamming. They're saying putting diff versions of the same clip in multiple irrelevant categories is spamming. That's why a clip posted in multiple categories will be reviewed, so that c4s staff can make sure the clips are actually relevant to the categories within which different versions of that same clip are listed.

    For example, a smoking/bj clip (inhaling, blowing smoke all over the cock as you suck it, etc) could be legitimately placed in both the smoking and bj catgegories, but also placing that clip in a category like 'fingernail fetish' (just cuz your fingernails are vaguely visible in the clip) would be considered spamming.

    I don't feel that strongly one way or the other but I think the new policy is a good move for studios overall
    It was explained differently to me, but I will call again tomorrow and quote what they say and post it here since they don't have an email question line.

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    get it in email, remember they told me they would not ever offer tribute button to put on sites, a month later they rolled out the tribute button
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    It was explained differently to me, but I will call again tomorrow and quote what they say and post it here since they don't have an email question line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by temptingmodel View Post
    get it in email, remember they told me they would not ever offer tribute button to put on sites, a month later they rolled out the tribute button
    Okay I emailed so we will have written record. Waiting for response. Will post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlamourRouge View Post
    If it is, then why are they now reviewing those for spam?

    "If you post your clips in more than one format (Ex. WMV and MOV) and you post your clips in a different category for each format, then the clips will be reviewed. "
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    Default Re: C4S FINALLY cracking down on miscategorized clips!

    I wish they'd sort out the categories...so many are duplicated or broken down too far.

    They don't notice clips that are clearly in breach of the rules so the chances of them reviewing all clips that are in more than one category are very remote.
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    Honestly I wish they would Mash all the clip Versions (Sd, HD, MOV, WMV, ect) into one option with a drop down (more versions/options available) and then allow you to categorizes clips into 1-4 main Categories. It would make their search more useable, alleviate all duplicates. And make it easier for me show all similar clips together even know some of them are in different primary categories. (ie Balloons, B2P, Non-pop)


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    Default Re: C4S FINALLY cracking down on miscategorized clips!

    I post my clips in more than one category (sometimes 3 or 4 categories), and I don't think it's considered spamming. I will let you guys know if any of my clips get taken down, but afaik I've been careful to only upload to relevant categories.




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    ^I totally agree with this. And, going on just the wording of the e-mail... don't upload multiple instances of the same clip in the same format into different categories (for ex, by shortening by one second then uploading under a different title by slightly changing punctuation). This might be why I've had so much trouble lately with uploading multiple versions of the same clip but changing the title to include mov, mp4, etc. I follow the rules, but for some reason I've had to change the title to include punctuation as well, even tho the format was entirely different. I also agree that some clips are in completely irrelevant categories. I use specific keywords in my descriptions b/c you can still search by words in the description. There's really no need to spam unless you're purposely trying to get more updates.

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