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    This is really creepy and I am not surprised but it leaves a few questions such as how did others find out? Did this teacher blab? Also, a question for you camgirls but do you have to fill out papers when you are hired? All I can say is I am thankful I did modeling and the one porn movie I did before the internet (or when it was widespread). I will readily admit I made a mistake doing that video but luckily in my case the company went defunct before DVDs and they never upgraded to them. In fact while searching for the video nothing has ever come up so I hope (and so far I have)I dodged a bullet. I was also lucky because I never needed a license to dance in any clubs and anytime I was paid whether modeling, that video or dancing was always by cash.

    If it makes some feel better, I have taught (and in fact am going to get my teaching certificate to teach children)and worked in government (which required a huge background check)and nothing ever showed up. It also never showed up when HR at a job I was working was trying to find an excuse to get me fired. When I ran a background check on myself years ago a club I did work at came up but that's because they paid me and the company that owned it was under a different name (one that owned several companies, most non sex related).

    What irks me about this is that I bet those judging her have done far worse. I'm willing to bet many of these people did drugs, maybe did swinging or many other things. Yet they are attacking her because of this when there are worse things to judge on.

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    This is just outrageous to me... This girl was crucified for making a better life for herself.

    OMG! She did porn? I relish the thought... GOD FORBID! How many kids, even men, strip to pay their way through college? How many sell drugs even or do not so socially acceptable activities to give themselves a better life?

    HOW many girls strip and pay for law school? A TON. How many of us are using this as a way to pay our way through college? How many of us DO this so we don't have to sit in the welfare office for support and food stamps?

    It's just crap how this country preaches we should do everything to better our lives to STOP the ever-rising unemployment rates, but then just because that job is socially unacceptable to political douchebags or people who are so conservative they can't remove the stick from the tight ass, that you get crucified for it..

    With education costs, they are forever rising. For my IT degree, and ASSOCIATES' mind you, it cost me 65k just to get that degree. I worked 3 jobs while I was in school. My 2nd degree, Criminal Justice, just as much and it was a Bachelors. Then I went to law school, did 1 year and the amount of people who did things such as camming, is a ridiculous number. Books? $1000+ every 3 months.... and the gas, living expenses... it's outrageous. But you can't get so much help from the government on how much you make. I came from a Mother that was disabled and I got all the help I could get but even though I got every grant under the sun, my education was TOP priority and I WORKED for all the things I wanted afforded to me and not because I was entitled to them. Does anyone even know how much it COSTS to be a teacher? The education, the time put in, the certifications, the student teaching, the materials - then the HIDDEN COSTS! This is taken from random websites I've pulled this from:

    "One of the aspects of teaching that is hard to comprehend is the sheer amount of money it costs to be a teacher. You must have your BA for example, which isn’t so ridiculous unless you realize too late you spent $100,000.00 on your education (thank you NYU) to be a teacher and bring home $40,000.00, which is, in case you are bad at math (see above NYU example) is around $3,000.00 a month. Once the BA part is over if you decided to be a teacher without getting your credential as part of your program then you have to go back to school for this (which can run $10,000.00 depending on the school).

    Once you have the credential (by the way this autographed piece of paper from Arnie costs $55.00 which you have to spend twice), you then must be fingerprinted for a fee, which is not transferred from county to county, and thus you must pay and be fingerprinted separately for each county you apply to. Once you are "in" and then receive tenure you are now responsible for professional development and the expectation of an MA to be received within a certain number of years. This means enrolling in school once again to the tune of upwards of another $5 – 7,000.00 provided you learned your lesson the first time out and opt to go to a less expensive school. Sure, over the years you have moved from 40 to 45,000.00 a year, but add to this your rent (who can buy a house even with the economic crisis on this money?) cost of living, etc…and now you know why teachers get summers off. So they can work a second job and make more money!"

    • Typical costs:
    • An online teaching certificate program typically costs $10,000 -$30,000. For example, Drexel University in Philadelphia offers a 30-credit online teaching certification program for $22,500, which includes coursework on specialized instruction (catered to the individual's grade-level interest) and supervised field experience. Designed for career-changers or those who already hold a degree in another field, the program will help prepare students for a teaching career in any state. Saint Joseph's University, also in Philadelphia, offers online accelerated teacher certification for $17,500. The program is geared toward working professionals looking for a career change.
    • A bachelor's degree program in education typically ranges from $25,000 at state universities to $100,000 or more at private universities. According to a 2010 report by College Board, the average tuition and fees were $7,605 per year for in-state tuition or $19,595 for out-of-state tuition at public colleges and universities. This equals an average cost of $30,400 (resident) or $78,400 (non-resident) for a four-year bachelor's degree, not including room and board, which averages an extra $8,545 per year.
    • A master's degree program in education typically costs $12,000 -$74,000. For example, the Master of Education at University of Washington Bothell costs $26,200 for residents or $52,000 for non-residents.
    • What should be included:
    • A teacher training or teaching certificate program should adhere to state guidelines to prepare individuals for a career in education. Each state's certification requirements are available through the Education Testing Service. For example, Indiana requires all teachers must hold a bachelor's degree, complete approved teacher education coursework including special education training, pass the Praxis tests, complete CPR-Heimlich Maneuver training and pay a $35 licensing fee.
      Additional costs:
    • Testing fees can add an additional $120 -$300 to the applicant's costs. The Praxis Tests cost $50 for registration and an additional $65 -$150 for individual tests, several of which may be required by a state. Most states require teachers to pass Praxis Tests prior to receiving a teaching license. It costs an additional $30 -$40 to have an individual's score reports sent to a specific state for licensure. Texas is one state that has developed its own required teacher certification testing, which costs $120 per test. Different tests are required for teachers with different concentrations (such as special education), and those guidelines are discussed as part of a certified teacher training program.
    • Licensing fees for teachers are typically $35 -$200, and this fee must be paid after passing any required tests and meeting additional licensing requirements. For example, the Connecticut initial education certificate costs $200. In New York, the initial teaching certificate costs $50 for those who have completed a traditional education degree program or $100 for those who have earned certification through alternative certification requirements.
      Discounts:
    • State-funded organizations like Texas Teaching Fellows and national organizations like Teach for America offer a unique opportunity to secure a teaching job with full salary and benefits before earning a teaching certificate. Once accepted, teachers typically complete their certification throughout the two-year fellowship, taking courses at night or on the weekends while they work. These programs often include discounted teacher training or assistance with student loans, as well as an intensive summer training to prepare participants.
    • States with a high demand for teachers may institute additional programs to get qualified teachers in their classrooms. For example, the Alaska Transition to Teaching program offers a low-cost teacher training certification program for applicants seeking their initial teaching certificate, with total program fees of $611.
      Shopping for a teaching certificate:
    • Guidelines for teacher certification often change for each state, which has its own certification process. The National Center for Education Information offers teacher certification guidelines for each state, including help for individuals that have earned a non-education degree and want to begin a career in teaching.
    • Distance-Education.org provides a breakdown of teaching certificate programs, bachelor's programs and master's programs in education, which can be sorted by cost.

      **Nothing stated about out of pocket costs either - go FIGURE. Not only did they mention the pay grades, the amount of money these teachers pay outta pocket to use things in their OWN classrooms that the schools won't pay for, the amount of strikes and bullshit, the amount of crap they deal with DAILY, and also, the pay scaled that the majority of them deal with while being at a district.



    People need to stop calling the kettle black and crucifying people for doing a job, that has the potential to make a lot of money, only to use that money to BETTER themselves in the future. If this is SUCH a big deal, then maybe more opportunities should be afforded to those people while they are getting a higher education. She probably paid for her teaching in cash with porn... I guess they want us to be on welfare, food stamps without anything to show for hard work. BUT THEN we would we be crucified for being lazy... SMDH. I guess we should all stick to mediocre jobs. I guess it doesn't matter you better yourself and changed.... GOD FORBID anyone stays in the same place their whole lives and doesn't do a thing to change it. It's PORN. Unless you got a bunch of school administrators that aren't getting laid...

    Either which way, you are damned if you and damned if you don't anymore... it makes me gag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlamourRouge View Post
    I seriously cannot believe there are still people who do this job and think they will never get caught. They want to make the most amount of money possible, thus having good placement and visibility, yet still don't think they will ever be found out . There's a reason why it pays the amount it does. This is not something to do out of desperation or to just jump into. It literally jepordizes a bunch of potential careers. Also, just living with that in the back of your mind "will they ever find out?" can NOT be healthy. Chronic worrying.
    I agree that newcomers should think carefully about this choice, especially if they are just starting out in their careers. On the other hand, I see no shame in sexual freedom. The porn industry generates billions of dollars each year, and we are all consumers of it. Why is it so "wrong" to be a producer of it?

    If I had been that teacher, I would have fought the ruling tooth and nail, Larry Flynt style. It's the hypocritical law that needs to be changed and not the behavior of a single "immoral" woman. Would they have cracked down on every single man, working for that school board, who has consumed porn in the past year? I doubt it.

    Furthermore I personally believe that sex is getting more and more mainstream and this will not be a big deal at all in a decade or two. Cam modelling will be as normal as working in the mall, and there will be fucking machines in everyone's local gym (that's my wish anyway!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by christinarita View Post

    Furthermore I personally believe that sex is getting more and more mainstream and this will not be a big deal at all in a decade or two. Cam modelling will be as normal as working in the mall, and there will be fucking machines in everyone's local gym (that's my wish anyway!).

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlamourRouge View Post
    The men get fired too. But as someone who consumes a sexwork product, its easier to shift focus onto the creator of it. If women liked looking at porn more, it would be the same situation.

    If you made a homemade sextape and it leaked, yes you would be fired. Its porn.

    Celebrities & the entertainment industry- its different than vanilla careers. Celebrities lie and say their tapes were leaked, when in reality, they leak them. You have to have all parties in it sign a document releasing it, but thats what they don't tell you. If someone literally stole it and put it on the internet, the FBI would almost instantly track the person down in a flash using the IP address used to upload it, and then that person would be in jail & it would be all over the news. Why doesn't this happen? Because celebrities leak them themselves for PR exposure.
    I'm not saying it never happens, but I have a hard time believing it's not the norm to turn a blind a eye or try to do a cover up when the person is a man, especially when the person in power, the boss, is a man. I don't know, it just seems like there's a double standard. It works both ways too, though. Carrie Underwood kissed a 12 year old on the lips for his 1st kiss, and everyone was cool with it. If a grown ass man had kissed a 12 year old girl on the lips, people would've wanted him arrested right there on stage. I don't think it's ok either way.

    Does that example apply to my point? I guess I'm trying to point out the double standard part lol.

    Also, I read about this teacher on a different site, and they actually put her stage name out there, talking about she's known as ----. She did it for 9 months 7 years ago so she wasn't "known"...but she is now.

    And I've heard stories of doctors who do drugs on the job, which of course can be detrimental to the patient. My friend told me she saw a nurse come out the bathroom wiping white powder off her nose. I've also had 2 doctors be mean to me as a child. An eye doctor snatched a book out my hand. He had me read a book with the tiniest print, and I guess thought I couldn't read it. A dental assistant left this pink stuff you swish in my mouth and then said "next time be on time". I spit it out the car door (I don't know why I waited so long lol) when we left the dentist. I told my mom, but she didn't go back and say anything. I was like 13-14.

    My point is, just because someone's background check doesn't have adult work on it, doesn't mean they're fit to work with the public, let alone kids.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    i'm certain that not everyone will agree with my position on this, but IMHO if you are going to perform ANY sort of adult industry related work, you should maximize your earnings in every way possible. The reasoning behind this is as follows ...

    Any straight profession that involves the 'public trust' i.e. teaching, health care, banking, law enforcement etc. ... and anything which requires a professional license ... is subject to 'professional conduct' standards. And while adult industry work is not illegal, 'public trust' employers and state professional licensing agencies do consider adult industry work to be 'unprofessional conduct'.

    It appears that America is now in a permanent situation of too many applicants for too few new jobs. As such, employers are in a position where they can reject 90% of the applicants for a job opening for no specific reason whatsoever, and still find a qualified employee to fill that job opening. A history of adult industry work is simply something that employers don't want to 'take a chance' on. And lately, after the court ruling about the beautiful dental assistant who was fired because she was 'too attractive', just being stunningly beautiful without a history of adult industry work is enough to make potential employers avoid 'taking a chance' on hiring the stunningly beautiful job applicant.


    iMHO any girl who is looking toward a future involving a 'public trust' job or a profession requiring a professional license should think twice before creating a 'paper trail' of work in the adult entertainment industry. And if she does decide to work in the adult entertainment industry, since the potential 'damage' is equal if she works one day a week or full time, she should maximize her earnings ... to compensate for potential negative future backlash.
    This is a really excellent point - although I would like to add to it.

    I do not think that absolutely everyone should maximize earnings in EVERY way possible - if I was to do that, I would be busting my ass working much longer days, probably working at the club again as well.....and while I would be making more, the reason that I do this job is so that I can work less, and spend more time on the things I love doing, like academic courses, dance and yoga class, training my dog, meditating, volunteering, painting, travelling....so making earnings, and maximizing earnings by working as much as possible would defeat one of the main reasons I do this work in the first place!

    However, YES you are completely right that if a girl chooses to risk an job in the business while intending to work in a "risk" job in the future (what I call those jobs where you may have a issue if your past is found out), she does need to weigh the cost of losing her employment down the line, and probably earn and set aside an "outed" fund - like an emergency fund, but including money to pay for re-training in another line of work, as well as living expenses, and probably LEGAL expenses should the worst happen.

    Girls should also seriously read up on local state legislation when it comes to labor laws - as it has been pointed out in this thread, in many states, employers can basically fire you for nothing, or anything, without repercussion. Which means that ANY other job you get (unless you are running your own business) puts you at risk for being fired if you are outed. It's not just public trust jobs, although those are the highest risk. Those are also the jobs where you may be in legal trouble if you lie about a past and are found out, because you lied when you signed the contract saying that everything you put down as a past employer in your background check is true. You lied when you signed to say that you have not done anything that could be considered "unprofessional conduct". More disturbingly, even telling the lie counts as unprofessional conduct - so you could be fired for lying!

    Finally, you make an excellent point about the job market. And that job market isn't going to change drastically any time soon. Big cities are pushing the limits of population - and people are taking on multiple jobs in order to be able to have a more expensive lifestyle...which means that there are fewer jobs available for the same number of people. This is the same thing that I tell people when I am working at the tattoo shop, and they want hands and fingers and necks tattooed (and seem to think it will be no problem, because so many celebrities have them. Rhianna has caused me so many problems! LOL) - that it is still seen as a bad thing, and because of that, you will find it ten times harder to get a job, or a lease. Why would someone hire the candidate with the heavy tattoos, if they have an equally qualified candidate without them, and they cling to the idea that tattoos are not "professional"? Same with this - just because sex is increasingly mainstream, and more and more people work in the sex industry, it does not mean that an employer isn't going to prefer someone who HASN'T worked in the industry.

    I don't know what I would do if I intended to work for someone else again, I really don't. I definitely would tell anyone looking to get into "public trust" jobs NOT to go into sex work - it simply isn't worth the risk. But women will continue to flock to "easy money" and studios telling them they will never be found out, or thinking that because they aren't nude, it isn't porn.

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    Miss Mafia, I am going for the certification and that is completely on the mark. Because I already have a masters, teaching experience along with other work experience it will cost less but still there are 3 tests I need to take my first semester and each is expensive (one is over $100).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0TaraM View Post
    If people recognize your body - how they prove that it´s you? Yes, the body is similar, but it is enough to have similar body? Yes, the bank accounts, payoneer, tax forms, but are they gonna tell to somebody it´s you? Will your state or bank tell to somebody you are in the adult industry? Have your state some kind of black list? Will they preclude to do some other job? Will they make you unemploeyd? The tattoos, piercings..If you have no tattoos or wear fake tattoos..
    Similar? No, you have the same body, because it is you. And bodies are fairly distinctive.

    Also - forgot to mention this in the last one - most people cam out of their HOMES - so they aren't just looking at you. You may have the most average of average bodies, and NEVER show your face, but someone can recognize your living room! Or see you going into a physical studio, and find out what it is.

    As for the bank and the state telling people - well, yes, actually. That is what a background check does. And any job can ask for a background check. It isn't like the state has a blacklist of "bad whores" - but they have your tax records, your employment records - you are ON FILE WITH CAM COMPANIES, and so it will come up in background checks, depending on the depth.

    We aren't saying it always happens. But it is always smart to assume it will, because it CAN happen to ANYONE.
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    [QUOTE=Jacki;2444366]naughtygamerz in chat was talking about this article and this will be my first post, but I just want to note what i wrote in chat about it, being that I'm going into education i want to be a part of this thread
    on the teacher fired, I'm going to school for teaching and I've thought about it and honestly if it comes up ill simply tell them, you can view it as me being immoral or you can view it as i worked my ass off as a single mom at 20 to finish school and make something out of my life. if you won't hire me there are 500 other schools looking for a special education teacher that will see my past as not pretty but see me as an ambitious young woman

    That was nicely stated my friend. You are going to make a wonderful and inspiring teach some day soon xxx

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    Stories like this make me so mad, the teacher did nothing illegal. If she was a good teacher and cared for her students then good for her to getting where she wants in life.

    I was made homeless at 18 and with no family to fall back on (all dead) I had to quit my full-time education and take a minimum wage job that barely covers my expenses. I've decided to take up camming to pay for my education and to live above poverty all the while trying to keep a vanilla job.

    I'm camming to better myself and get ahead in life, it just angers me and frustrates me that even though I'm going to bust my ass to get anywhere its so easy for an employer to fire me over this.

    Sex sells, it's used in advertising everywhere, the porn industry turns over billions each year - clearly there is a market for it. But god forbid that the people who make the content try and get a different job. I really wonder how many of the parents who were so against this woman watched/purchased porn.

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    You guys, this is not done on accident. Men are mindfucked by sex and women are mindfucked by food. There is a lot of overlap, but that's all done on purpose. Theres sex and food everywhere you look in advertising & daily life, but then slut and weight-shaming everywhere just as much, so that we strive to attain unattainable ideals (being underweight, being a pure virgin for your future husband lol, etc.)

    This is a psychological mind control technique done in order to play on your biological instincts as a human/creature/animal (hunger, sex drive, competition mode, etc.), while making you feel bad for having those natural feelings, thus being under the control of society. Always striving to attain something that will never be attainable because its an inborn biological instinct to do the opposite. There's not much we can do about it except accept it for what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlamourRouge View Post
    You guys, this is not done on accident. Men are mindfucked by sex and women are mindfucked by food. There is a lot of overlap, but that's all done on purpose. Theres sex and food everywhere you look in advertising & daily life, but then slut and weight-shaming everywhere just as much, so that we strive to attain unattainable ideals (being underweight, etc.)

    This is a psychological mind control technique done in order to play on your biological instincts as a human/creature/animal (hunger, sex drive, competition mode, etc.), while making you feel bad for feeling those natural feeling, thus being under the control of society. There's not much we can do about it except accept it for what it is.
    i agree with this (except im not a big food fan haha). a womans body an sexuality is a powerful thing, and while im dancing i can feel how much power i have over these quivering, horny little creatures. (ha!) people fear this kind of power, and think they can shame us in turn. what i cannot stand is how women themselves seem to be just as nasty and antagonistic towards other females in the sex industry, blaming them for leading their poor little husbands astray, and reviling us out of jealousy. some of the biggest "feminists" i've met have been the most vehement about shutting down a womans sexuality/place in the sex industry and thinking that no woman would possibly ever want to do this and must be forced. they're so afraid of being seen as a "sex object" they go the other way with mysoginistic slut shaming of their own gender. it just boggles my mind.

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    ^???? I've never been mindfucked by food. And furthermore, the analogy doesn't stand. If we're saying man is to sex worker as woman is to food... Sex worker = human fucking being. Food = food. Discriminatory people aren't firing food from her day job. I kind of understand what you are getting at, but I think there are things that can be done, and they are being done every day. This is kind of a human rights issue, don't you think? And yes, while women in this industry SHOULD be prepared to accept the reality of the stigma (as I certainly am), to simply dismiss it and say it's not worth fighting for to not feel dehumanized by the general public is doing yourself an injustice.

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    ^???? I've never been mindfucked by food. And furthermore, the analogy doesn't stand. If we're saying man is to sex worker as woman is to food... Sex worker = human fucking being. Food = food. Discriminatory people aren't firing food from her day job. I kind of understand what you are getting at, but I think there are things that can be done, and they are being done every day. This is kind of a human rights issue, don't you think? And yes, while women in this industry SHOULD be prepared to accept the reality of the stigma (as I certainly am), to simply dismiss it and say it's not worth fighting for to not feel dehumanized by the general public is doing yourself an injustice.
    Well these are kind of facts, not something made up. The entire advertising industry, and human consumption/materialism is built on this model. Telling you that you need these things when you don't. That you need to look a certain way but really you don't. And people are mindfucked by both really. Look at the ads and commercials everywhere. Drive down a street while listening to the radio and think about all the ads and propaganda you are exposing yourself to in just 5 minutes. Food, food, food, buy this, you need to shop this sale for clothes you don't need, ooo look at that traditionally hot young woman with large breasts, food, titty, titty, food, shop, shop, titty.

    Really, you can't fight it though. It would be nice to, but its just not practical. Couldn't you say the same thing for clubs not hiring 350 lbs strippers? Should we fight for all strip clubs to allow morbidly obese women to get hired just because its discrimination to turn them down for a job? We can't. At the end of the day, its not up to us. We don't own the advertising agencies. We don't own the government who makes society's rules. Maaaaaybe some change could gradually be made if the majority of the world were sexworkers, if sexworkers were most people in society, but even then, theres no way to protest this without outing yourself as a sexworker, which is exactly what you're trying not to do right?

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    What about the men who pay escorts, phone sex operators and web cam cam models? What about the men who are into dommes who have them humiliate themselves on cam or take pictures of them doing it?...
    It offends me that doin porn means you can't work with children. Does this mean I'm disqualified to be a mother, too?...
    I absolutely see what you are saying, and I personally think the double standard is ridiculous. If camming disqualifies me from being a "good mother," then paying for and even watching porn or cam girls should disqaulify my hubby from being a "good father"- whatever those labels mean, anyway. When you put it in those terms it is completely ridiculous and I don't think any sane person would accuse one of being an unfit parent just because they've seen porn. So what is the difference between watching a naked person and being a naked person?

    Unfortunately, when it comes to employment by another person or corporation, that is when things get sticky. It is one thing for a guy paying for adult services to turn around and say, "Hey! That wasn't me! Someone stole my credit card and ordered all these bdsm services without my consent!" But what about the provider, who is usually a female? The woman usually can't just turn around and be like, "Hey! That wasn't me! Someone stole my bank account information, and my social security number, and my photo ID, and changed their hair and body, including tattoos and piercings, to look exactly like me, and THEN they charged people for a service and had the money deposited right into *my* bank account! Fraud!"

    See the difference?

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    ^I think that's totally valid. And I agree with mostly what everyone has posted. I think we all know what the reality of the situation is. I think we all just acknowledge that it's complete bullshit on behalf of those people who pass judgement and deprive such women of new opportunities...

    I've just never understood how our entire society has managed to adopt this Puritanistic view of sex and sexuality, when sex is responsible for the survival of our species and is one of the most remarkably beautiful and pleasurable experiences that life has to offer. Completely blows my mind!! Because Melonie is right, it is not just sex workers who are discriminated against, but beautiful women who are considered sexually desirable. We should be praised and revered as the fucking goddesses that we are. Sorry if that sounds egotistical... I'm just so sick of seeing this stigma EVERYWHERE lately! A stripper died at work and it was a fucking joke to the journalists and talk shows reporting it. Fuck, I'm proud of every confident, self-assured woman in this industry for not being a brainwashed sex-fearing zombie. I hope the teacher goes back to camming and metaphorically shoves her dildo up everyone else's asses that were implicated in her termination.

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    Like I said, I kind of understand what you are getting at, but people being victims of advertising has very little to do with a woman losing her job over being a sex worker and society having an unnatural revulsion to sexuality, which far pre-exists modern advertising techniques.

    My point was mostly in response to you saying there is nothing that can be done about it. On a micro-level, I do plenty to try and sway the stigma of individuals in regards to the sex industry and sex-shaming in general. Most people in my life don't know I strip, outside of my family and close friends, but occasionally I do get vocal about my opinions when people make derogatory comments about strippers or a woman off-handedly calls someone a "slut."

    On a larger level, for women who are comfortable publicly owning their role in this industry, there is a whole directory of activism groups here: SWAAY , some of which you can even partake in anonymously.

    So yes. There are things that can be done, just like there are things that can be done for racism and homophobia. Awareness and acceptance are not the same things as admitting defeat. And I am aware, and I do accept that things are the way they are, but it doesn't mean I don't believe there aren't ways to change peoples' views and opinions.

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    Like I said, I kind of understand what you are getting at, but people being victims of advertising has very little to do with a woman losing her job over being a sex worker and society having an unnatural revulsion to sexuality, which far pre-exists modern advertising techniques.

    My point was mostly in response to you saying there is nothing that can be done about it. On a micro-level, I do plenty to try and sway the stigma of individuals in regards to the sex industry and sex-shaming in general. Most people in my life don't know I strip, outside of my family and close friends, but occasionally I do get vocal about my opinions when people make derogatory comments about strippers or a woman off-handedly calls someone a "slut."

    On a larger level, for women who are comfortable publicly owning their role in this industry, there is a whole directory of activism groups here: , some of which you can even partake in anonymously.

    So yes. There are things that can be done, just like there are things that can be done for racism and homophobia. Awareness and acceptance are not the same things as admitting defeat. And I am aware, and I do accept that things are the way they are, but it doesn't mean I don't believe there aren't ways to change peoples' views and opinions.
    But its not even something based on the employer's personal opinion/moral beliefs. The employer could be totally fine with a sexworker working there, yet still have to fire the ex-sexworker.. The issue is, the people who are the consumers of the product (i.e. the parents of the children who go to the school you teach at) are not, and that's their choice. They don't have to have their children in that school, they will put them elsewhere, and the school does not want to lose that business because its money taken out of their pocket. Other people's opinions on things are not for you to decide. Some people are religious. A lot actually. And it goes against those teachings, so they don't want a teacher whose going against their own belief system's teachings to teach there. That's why those "non-professional conduct" clauses exist. You sign one before you take the job, agreeing that you have not done and will not do anything listed as "non-professional conduct" and porn is included in that. So essentially, you lied on your application and that's why you get fired for being a sexworker. Its not even about opinions or moral beliefs of the employer themselves. Its about the opinions/moral beliefs of those who consume the product (the parents in the case of the education realm) who end up dictating the morality clauses in order for them to spend money on the service (i.e. enrolling their child in that school).

    Racism and a lot of homophobia are a completely different thing. People can look at you and see what your race is. NOT ALL, but a lot of people can look at gay men and deduce from their mannerisms that they are gay (again NOT ALL, but many). With sexworkers, no one can look at you and see that you used to be or are a ex-sexworker. It seems like no one wants to come out as a sexworker, yet they all want equality for sexworkers. Well the first step for this attempt at equality is to walk around and let people know you're a sexworker then. Tell your friends, your family, everyone. If you're keeping it a secret, that really does not help your cause if you're trying to "create awareness."

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    But its not even something based on personal opinion. The employer could be totally fine with a sexworker working there. The issue is, the people who are the consumers of the product (i.e. the parents of the children who go to the school you teach at) are not, and that's their choice. They don't have to have their children in that school, they will put them elsewhere. Other people's opinions on things are not for you to decide. Some people are religious. A lot actually. And it goes against those teachings, so they don't want a teacher whose going against their own belief system's teachings to teach there. That's why those "non-professional conduct" clauses exist. You sign one before you take the job, agreeing that you have not done and will not do anything listed as "non-professional conduct" and porn is included in that. So essentially, you lied on your application and that's why you get fired for being a sexworker. Its not even about opinions or moral beliefs of the employer themselves. Its about the opinions/moral beliefs of those who consume the product (the parents in the case of the education realm) who end up dictating the morality clauses in order for them to spend money on the service (i.e. enrolling their child in that school).
    ^This is a well-formed argument, and I totally agree with that! And I'm not trying to verbally attack you, by the way, I'm mostly just chiming in with my non-defeatist attitude in regards to these things. The issue I have with this woman losing her job is more associated with the double standard that exists (I mean, the same people "consuming" the "education product" are likely consuming adult entertainment products as well...) and the cruel way in which she was terminated (children writing nasty things on her window, Fox news turning into a high profile story with their own conservative twist on the matter, etc.)

    We can sit here and debate the philosophies of morality, society and consumerism all day long. I definitely don't want to. Lol. I just think there's a fine line between simply having "different morals" and OPENLY harassing and penalizing someone for having different morals, which is what happened in this case, and in many others that really just get under my skin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlamourRouge View Post
    Racism and a lot of homophobia are a completely different thing. People can look at you and see what your race is. NOT ALL, but a lot of people can look at gay men and deduce from their mannerisms that they are gay (again NOT ALL, but many). With sexworkers, no one can look at you and see that you used to be or are a ex-sexworker. It seems like no one wants to come out as a sexworker, yet they all want equality for sexworkers. Well the first step for this attempt at equality is to walk around and let people know you're a sexworker then. Tell your friends, your family, everyone. If you're keeping it a secret, that really does not help your cause if you're trying to "create awareness."
    Ok, I get where you are coming from but I just don't think you really want to see where I am coming from. So let's just agree to disagree. Didn't see this edit prior to my last post.

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    ^This is a well-formed argument, and I totally agree with that! And I'm not trying to verbally attack you, by the way, I'm mostly just chiming in with my non-defeatist attitude in regards to these things. The issue I have with this woman losing her job is more associated with the double standard that exists (I mean, the same people "consuming" the "education product" are likely consuming adult entertainment products as well...) and the cruel way in which she was terminated (children writing nasty things on her window, Fox news turning into a high profile story with their own conservative twist on the matter, etc.)
    Men have been and would be fired for doing porn also though. The difference is, its not lucrative for men and most men can't even get into it even if they wanted. Its lucrative for women, which sadly, can be the only reason sometimes a woman does it. That's why we don't see more stories about men getting fired for having a sexworker past. If it was just as lucrative for men as it is for women, we would be seeing those types of articles just as much. I don't think its a double standard thing, but I can see how it can seem to be that way since the number of female performers vastly outnumers the number of male performers.

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    ^That's not the double standard I was referring to at all. I never said anything about male sex workers. I was talking about the men who purchase the products -- why is it bad to make it, but not bad to consume it? That was my point. If you want to talk about this further we should probably PM, I don't want to monopolize this thread anymore.

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    GR - I'm not totally sure I am understanding what you are saying with the last few points. WHO is creating WHAT, exactly?

    I think that you are saying that the way sex is used and manipulated by advertising companies/PR companies in order to sell their products leads to a situation where societal views on sex are changed....but I'm not totally sure how that would relate to this case? Or how you think something cannot be changed, if that something is controlled and created by a limited group of people?

    Or is it that you are referring to the Freudian concept of id/ego/superego - the idea that all humanity is constantly torn between "base" desires (sex, food, rage, etc) and the desire to seem "socially acceptable", and that conflict leads to hypocritical situations - like this one. Where something like "sex" can be seen as both good (the innate desire to be attractive to others, the use of sex as a positive way to sell things (music, products whatever) and "bad" (slut-shaming, being fired for sex work). This makes some sense, but no longer functions when you consider that "society" is not a fixed state of being - society and societal norms are in constant flux.

    Or - maybe - are you simply saying that it is not surprising that this situation came up, because the way that sex is portrayed in modern life is inherently hypocritical - that we are being set up by current societal norms to think in a way that leads to this kind of situation?

    In any case - I think that all three cases have some validity, but that none of them ALONE can account for this kind of situation. I also really disagree that nothing can be done about it, or to change it! We have seen HUGE progression in how sex work is viewed in the past 20 years ALONE, and it is all, slowly, moving towards acceptance. I don't think that there is going to be a situation in the next 20 years where I can swan openly into a teaching job at a kindergarten, but I think that eventually we will get there.

    I also want to leap up and down waving and pointing at myself when you say "noone wants to come out as a sex worker, but they all want equality.". I am "out" as a sexworker! Fuck yeah! I am out to everyone - and if anyone doesn't currently know, it is just because it hasn't come up. I actively put my face on my blog and aim it at a different target audience than just cam viewers. I am actively trying to get myself into more media to try and present sex work the way I would like it to be seen. The only thing I don't do is give out my real name, and that is simply for safety - if I was an actor or author I would be using a pseudonym as well.
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    ^That's not the double standard I was referring to at all. I never said anything about male sex workers. I was talking about the men who purchase the products -- why is it bad to make it, but not bad to consume it? That was my point. If you want to talk about this further we should probably PM, I don't want to monopolize this thread anymore.
    I realize you were saying that. But women purchase porn too. Lesbians especially? Haven't you c2c'ed with a girl before? Honestly, I've been obsessed with porn from a preteen age. While all my friends were idolizing N*Sync, I was idolizing porn stars and fetish models. Porn was originally targeted toward the male consumer, that was the original demographic. Companies have caught on in recent years and have made porn targeted more toward women. It is consumed by both, but probably more by men because they are visually-stimulated creatures whereas women are emotionally-stimulated creatures.

    I explained why its "bad" to consume it. The g0v uses this as a control mechanism to control the masses. To make you feel guilty for giving into the very same things you have biological drives to do.

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    I absolutely see what you are saying, and I personally think the double standard is ridiculous. If camming disqualifies me from being a "good mother," then paying for and even watching porn or cam girls should disqaulify my hubby from being a "good father"- whatever those labels mean, anyway. When you put it in those terms it is completely ridiculous and I don't think any sane person would accuse one of being an unfit parent just because they've seen porn. So what is the difference between watching a naked person and being a naked person?

    Unfortunately, when it comes to employment by another person or corporation, that is when things get sticky. It is one thing for a guy paying for adult services to turn around and say, "Hey! That wasn't me! Someone stole my credit card and ordered all these bdsm services without my consent!" But what about the provider, who is usually a female? The woman usually can't just turn around and be like, "Hey! That wasn't me! Someone stole my bank account information, and my social security number, and my photo ID, and changed their hair and body, including tattoos and piercings, to look exactly like me, and THEN they charged people for a service and had the money deposited right into *my* bank account! Fraud!"

    See the difference?
    I cracked up at that last part lol. That's very true, but even if the guy didn't deny buying porn, he's not getting fired because everyone, including the boss, has probably watched porn at least once.

    But, people like to "fake the funk" as I call it lol. I used to sell sex toys, and I told my cousin and she was all like "I don't use toys" and acted like she didn't even know what they were. I'm thinking, girl you started having sex WAY before I did and you're tryna act all innocent and oblivious to sex toys? Please lol.

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