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    Default Does this not seem wrong to you? (Stripper injustice)

    I work at a Detroit club that is owned by Arabic brothers. (Disclaimer - I mean absolutely no offense at all. I do not have a problem with Arabic people in general, and me myself being of mixed race and partial north african heritage, I am in NO WAY saying I dislike people of Arabic descent). Moving on... I am a very professional dancer and the top earner at this club. So while I think the owners can be very disrespectful, I typically do not associate with them for that reason. The management however loves me because I make the club money and do so in a professional way.

    One of my best friends is a dark-skinned black girl. Let's call her Mocha. She carries herself well and the management and staff have liked her at all the clubs she's danced at. However, this owner, for whatever reason, doesn't like her. He fired her from another one of his clubs without giving a reason and 10 months later made up a rumor that the reason he fired her was because she "kicked one of the bouncers in the balls." This is a blatant lie, even the bouncers themselves have said she was a very pleasant person who never gave them any problems and they were baffled as to why she got fired as well.

    A year later after her getting fired from that club, she just a few days ago got hired at the club I am currently working at. She was working there over a year ago but they closed down then got new ownership when they re-opened (the man who currently owns the club who doesn't like her).

    It was only her second night back last Monday, when she sat with one of the owners best friends. She sat with him for at least two hours (stupid, I know) and eventually they went upstairs for VIP dances. He got 10 dances, then asked her to suck his dick. She refused, so he said he wasn't going to pay her. Mind you, 10 dances = $250 that he was denying her. The bouncer keeps track of how many dances each girl has given, and he verified that it was 10 dances and that he owes her $250. He still refused to pay, so the owner came upstairs. At this point, it was a little after 2:00 am so the club was closed. The owner did not make him pay the $250 although he clearly owed it and had the money. Instead, all he made him give my friend was $100, shorting her $150.

    She was very livid and went off on the customer. She said a lot of mean things to him, but I completely understand why she would be upset. When she got to the locker room she was in tears and yelling about how unfair it was. She happened to say a few slightly derogatory things about people of the Arabic ethnicity (although I think this was mainly because she was very upset because that is uncharacteristic).

    She went home, and two days later (today) she returned to the club to work. They told her she was fired for what she said to the owner's friend, although he was the one who wronged her in the first place. All the staff, including the house mom, bouncers, the owner of the agency who represents us and the club, etc all say it is very unfair that she was fired over this. If anything, the owner should have apologized to HER for letting his friend rip her off (ie STEAL from her).

    I am thinking of boycotting the club and dancing at their competitor club right down the street. My other best friend, Sadie, who is also well respected by the staff and management is quitting the club as well, because Mocha is her best friend too. Since me and Sadie are the top earners there and some of the only dancers there who carry ourselves with class and professionalism, the management will not like that we are boycotting the club. Our agent is VERY upset because he isn't affiliated with the competitor club so his agency will lose us as dancers and he thinks what happened with Mocha is egregious as well. This owner has repeatedly shown a pattern of disrespect towards her and many of the other dancers. I've heard other dancers complain that this owner lets his friends rip them off and not pay them for the dances they get. It's extremely unprofessional and inappropriate behavior.

    Does anyone have thoughts on this? How would you react to the situation?
    "Rather have my feet hurting than my pockets."

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    that's fucked up. i had a similiar situation when i first started dancing where the best friend of the manager came in and got a dance ( the security didn't even come by, and they always do to make sure the guys don't touch you). i did a few dances, and his touching got bad. told him to stop and he started pulling his dick out, and touching me more. i got very upset, i was a baby stripper, and told him i just can't do this and he got up and handed me a 20 and left, even though he had kept me in there and tortured me for 6 songs..nothing happened because he was the managers best friend, and i knew i would get canned if i started drama.

    screw that, i left! business is business, and i don't give a holy hell who the owners friends are, maybe they can give him dances for free but we shouldn't have to! not a safe environment either, if they aren't going to protect their girls when their perv buds decide to show up. god so unprofessional.

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    I can't stand being around that kind of negativity in this industry! I've debated going to clubs I'm not completely comfortable in where I know I make a better average, but at the end of the day I think my emotional well-being is more important than the extra cash (as long as the money I'm making at the nicer club is still good!). I'd totally quit that situation, not only because your friend got cheated out of $150 -- but because the OWNER'S FRIEND was soliciting her for a BJ and the owner had no qualms with this! Huuuuge red flag that you will not be protected at the club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simone87 View Post
    that's fucked up. i had a similiar situation when i first started dancing where the best friend of the manager came in and got a dance ( the security didn't even come by, and they always do to make sure the guys don't touch you). i did a few dances, and his touching got bad. told him to stop and he started pulling his dick out, and touching me more. i got very upset, i was a baby stripper, and told him i just can't do this and he got up and handed me a 20 and left, even though he had kept me in there and tortured me for 6 songs..nothing happened because he was the managers best friend, and i knew i would get canned if i started drama.

    screw that, i left! business is business, and i don't give a holy hell who the owners friends are, maybe they can give him dances for free but we shouldn't have to! not a safe environment either, if they aren't going to protect their girls when their perv buds decide to show up. god so unprofessional.
    My point exactly! That's why I avoid talking to the owner (why talk to him if I don't have to, right?) and I definitely avoid his friends. They think they are so special just because they're friend with him when all they do is disrespect the women that work there. It's unfortunate because I make decent money at this club and aside from this situation I really like it there. But I don't feel comfortable working at a club that treats girls who do nothing wrong with so much disrespect (especially one of my best friends!). Not to mention, she's not one of the extras girls who just parties and gets fucked up every night. She's there to work, and the way the owners handled the situation is so unprofessional it's ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by summerbre View Post
    I can't stand being around that kind of negativity in this industry! I've debated going to clubs I'm not completely comfortable in where I know I make a better average, but at the end of the day I think my emotional well-being is more important than the extra cash (as long as the money I'm making at the nicer club is still good!). I'd totally quit that situation, not only because your friend got cheated out of $150 -- but because the OWNER'S FRIEND was soliciting her for a BJ and the owner had no qualms with this! Huuuuge red flag that you will not be protected at the club.
    Thank you, you summed it up quite nicely. Something is very wrong when all the rest of the staff as well as my agent is taking my side over this. I had to take the last couple nights off just because I needed a break from the madness. If the owner really wants to give his friend such a discount, then the owner himself should have paid my friend the money she was owed. He has absolutely no level of professionalism so I guess owning a titty bar in Detroit where half the girls are whores suits him well. This situation is so messed up.
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    That is fucked up, but the reality is, this happens in various forms or another at many strip clubs. The owner has final say in any dealings of the club whether anyone likes it or not, because he is the owner. The owner will defend his friend even if his friend was in the wrong because that's his friend and he probably wouldn't let an employee get in the way of his friendship, that's the reality. Boycotting the club is not going to phase the club any, they'll just hire other dancers and not think twice about you, that is the reality...almost every dancer no matter how good they are, are pretty much expendable according to the eyes of management/owners. I'm not trying to side with anyone, just pointing out that many things in this industry don't always make sense or are fair, but most dancers are not in the position to make any changes unless we actually start to become the ones owning these clubs.

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    Honestly, club don't care if you stay or go, they won't blink an eye over you, no matter how much you make. Focus on your own self interest and stay where you make money and where YOU get respect. If you feel uncomfortable then leave the club, but if you are just trying to prove a point for somebody else, don't bother. If anything the owners will just lump you into the same category with mocha and give you a hard time if you ever decide to come back.


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    ^Ehhh... Yes and no. Every situation, club and manager is different.

    Nina I totally agree that you shouldn't leave to prove a point -- you should leave to protect yourself, and it might even benefit you to do so in a graceful way instead of creating drama in case you ever DO have to return to that club for whatever reason in the future.

    But, barring really upscale/high volume clubs in places like Vegas where the girl turnover is crazy and all of the girls have above average looks, I think managers know who their money makers are and want them to stick around. ESPECIALLY when a club is going down hill. I've had managers at one club I worked at let me get away with not following a schedule, not paying house fees and beg me to stay when I was finally leaving because a lot of their best girls had already left, a lot of the new girls were trashy and VIPs weren't renewing their memberships or coming in as often. One other girl and I were the only ones that were EVER up in VIP, and members were getting restless and more frequently visiting other clubs in the area. So if Nina and her friend really are top earners and they leave -- it might show in the numbers, depending on how small the club is.

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    ^ I agree leave only if you feel in danger and can make the same money at other clubs in your area, you sound like a good friend but you need to put yourself first because not alot of girls would leave because of their friends.
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    Well I don't work in a Vegas club, I work in a Detroit club. The girls on here saying that the manager won't blink an eye do not work at my club so they don't know how the management feels towards me. My general manager says repeatedly that me and my other friend (not the one who got fired) are the only girls who make the club money on a regular basis. Just like week my manager said, (and this is verbatim) "Nina, you're the only girl here who consistently makes the club money... you and Sadie." So yes, I am an asset to the club and I don't say that in a conceited way, that's just a fact.

    In fact, I texted my manager and told him me and Sadie were quitting. I also told my agent. My agent called me and we had a long conversation. My manager, after receiving my text and hearing from my agent that I was quitting, has since decided that my friend whom he fired will be allowed to work at the club again in a week or two. Both he and my agent apologized to me for the situation. So I guess my threatening to quit did have an impact on him, contrary to some people's belief on here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by babylovexxx View Post
    Honestly, club don't care if you stay or go, they won't blink an eye over you, no matter how much you make. Focus on your own self interest and stay where you make money and where YOU get respect. If you feel uncomfortable then leave the club, but if you are just trying to prove a point for somebody else, don't bother. If anything the owners will just lump you into the same category with mocha and give you a hard time if you ever decide to come back.
    Quote Originally Posted by brandy_rose
    Boycotting the club is not going to phase the club any, they'll just hire other dancers and not think twice about you, that is the reality...almost every dancer no matter how good they are, are pretty much expendable according to the eyes of management/owners. I'm not trying to side with anyone, just pointing out that many things in this industry don't always make sense or are fair, but most dancers are not in the position to make any changes unless we actually start to become the ones owning these clubs.
    Quite the contrary, my club does care whether I stay or go (as I said in my previous post that my manager has said many times that me and my other friend are the only two girls who consistently make them money because I give the most dances almost every single night and have most of the guys I go to the VIP with tip the bouncers, etc before they get dances) and after I threatened to quit the same manager who I texted said that he will allow my friend to come back to the club in a couple weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chanzep View Post
    ^ I agree leave only if you feel in danger and can make the same money at other clubs in your area, you sound like a good friend but you need to put yourself first because not alot of girls would leave because of their friends.
    I agree with that. When I told them I was quitting I was kind of bluffing because I knew they wouldn't want me to quit. But I also felt like quitting because of the lack of respect. Mocha (the girl who got ripped off and fired) wasn't as established at the club as me so I can't imagine that I'd be in that situation; if the owner tried to give his friend a discount I'd say "fine, but you better give me the money out of your own pocket then." Ya know? It's not a good feeling to know that they allow this stuff to go on because WE are the ones who pay the club and as our management/owners they should be looking out for us rather than screwing us over by letting us get screwed over. I also found out that it wasn't particularly the owner who had her fired, it was my manager! The owner let his friend rip her off, but I guess my manager was the one who fired her. I was disheartened to hear this because I used to respect him a lot and he's always looked out for me and treated me with respect. After I told him I was quitting he and my agent became very concerned. It was actually kind of irritating because between my friend, my agent, and my manager, my phone was ringing off the hook last night lol. Things are somewhat straightened out, I explained to my manager why I had the problem and now she will be allowed back there after things simmer down... and as far as the respect issue goes, I am going to continue to be professional and make money. If the owners or management refuse to respect me, I will refuse to respect them. Simple as that.
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    Glad it worked out for you and your friend, maybe warn her to stay away from clubs people in the future x
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nina_ View Post
    I agree with that. When I told them I was quitting I was kind of bluffing because I knew they wouldn't want me to quit. But I also felt like quitting because of the lack of respect. Mocha (the girl who got ripped off and fired) wasn't as established at the club as me so I can't imagine that I'd be in that situation; if the owner tried to give his friend a discount I'd say "fine, but you better give me the money out of your own pocket then." Ya know? It's not a good feeling to know that they allow this stuff to go on because WE are the ones who pay the club and as our management/owners they should be looking out for us rather than screwing us over by letting us get screwed over. I also found out that it wasn't particularly the owner who had her fired, it was my manager! The owner let his friend rip her off, but I guess my manager was the one who fired her. I was disheartened to hear this because I used to respect him a lot and he's always looked out for me and treated me with respect. After I told him I was quitting he and my agent became very concerned. It was actually kind of irritating because between my friend, my agent, and my manager, my phone was ringing off the hook last night lol. Things are somewhat straightened out, I explained to my manager why I had the problem and now she will be allowed back there after things simmer down... and as far as the respect issue goes, I am going to continue to be professional and make money. If the owners or management refuse to respect me, I will refuse to respect them. Simple as that.
    Owners have the last word who works there and if the owner and friends frequent ther club a lot what is the owner going to do if he sees mocha there after saying racist things to his friend? I hope all goes well and I understand you are a top girl there but in the future if things happen I wouldn't push your bounderies since obviously this owner is a complete dick with no ethics.....

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    I would just say be a little cautious..The owner sounds like an asshole. The fact that he didn't even reprimand his friend for asking for a bj shows that he's let it happen in the past. He prefers that you stay because you make him money, but he could still be resentful. Stay as long as you feel safe and comfortable!

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    Thanks girls. I really do not associate with the owner for the reasons I mentioned. He's not there that often, he might drop in a few times a week and stay for a short while but he's not like my managers who are there throughout the whole shift. Some of the more immature girls are always all over him, whereas I could give a sh*t if me and him are buddy-buddy. I say "hi" when I see him and that's it. As far as I know, he likes me. I have no intentions of being his friend, but I act respectful and mind my business.

    I returned to my club and talked to my manager face to face... he reassured me that my friend would be allowed back in about a week and that it was solely based on the way she acted; I told him that the reason I wanted to quit for the principle of the matter: if he doesn't protect/stick up for her, it makes me feel like he wouldn't have my best interested in mind. I explained it to him, and it seems like everything has simmered down.
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