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    So, Robert Greene's work has circulated these forums a few times. I was reading the Art of Seduction ( here ) and this specific step stood out to me:

    5. CREATE A NEED- STIR ANXIETY AND DISCONTENT
    A perfectly satisfied person cannot be seduced. Tension and disharmony must be instilled in your targets minds. Stir within them feelings of discontent, and unhappiness with their circumstances and themselves. The feeling of inadequacy that you create will give you space to insinuate yourself, to make them see you as the answer to their problems. Pain and anxiety are the proper precursors to pleasure. Learn to manufacture the need that you can fill.


    Has anyone ever tried to apply this in the club, and if so, how? I don't think I ever have... I mean, I've had customers that were *already* feeling anxiety/unhappiness/whatever about their lives, but I never tried to instill those insecure feelings in any calculated way. I'm definitely curious to try.

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    Default Re: Create a need - stir anxiety and discontent

    That's interesting! I haven't tried this one either. The only thing I would be worried about would be crossing that fine line of making them feel inadequate to the point where they are uncomfortable being around me. It also might turn out really awkward if the customer was so overly confident that you just end up making your self look bad. But if you did it the right way and approached the right customer, I think it might be worth giving a whirl.

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    Great Book !

    This is a technique pickup artists use on their targets and it is somewhat effective because the idea is the get the target to "prove themselves" to you and seek your approval. For example: "You have really thin lips. You're probably not a good kisser." (challenge) "I totally am a good kisser! Let me prove it!" (seeking approval0

    In sales however, its proven that people spend more when you make them feel good - not worse - about themselves. Now, you can create a "problem" that must be solved by your expertise. For example: "Hey you boys look bored!" (problem) "Lets have some fun in VIP!" (solution)
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    To create discontent, I mention how much I'd rather be back in VIP but understand if he's not up to it. Then pretend like a waitress is waving me over, out of his line of sight. Come back & apologize that someone is requesting me in VIP unless he'd rather take me. Creates the sense of urgency & disharmony because they don't want to lose your company

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    i read the art of seduction, and found it great, but a lot of times i feel like its written for more personal life with people you have more time to seduce than at the SC scene..customers come here because there is already discontent..they'll bitch about their wife, their bad day , the fact they are lonely, and ill come back with " you've had such a rough day, you deserve having my naked body rub all over you " or " she may not understand you, but i think you're a great/cute/sweet/intelligent guy, she doesn't know what she's missing" ..so i just kind of play on that discontent more than stir it up..i don't want to have them feel like everytime im around they are reminded of how shit their lives are. or just listening awhile, and then filling the need/fantasy they have which brought them there in the first place ( up to a point of course lol) , and exuding utter confidence and happiness that draws people in who have none..

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    I think it would be dangerous to follow the Art of Seduction in a personal life, the end result is never good because it requires reseduction.

    I use it to pull in "whale" customers, the ones who are already happy & successful but like the seduction not pity.

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    ^seducing somebody and making them love you are two different things..i would never use it as the means to a relationship in personal life, just to clarify. not sure if you're talking about my post, if you aren't my apologies, and i know some men can be happy while still being customers, but just in paying for female attention they do have a need. i don't see why they would pay the big bucks in a club when they could get it for free in the "real world". i don't necessarily take the "pity" approach, i just meant that i listened, picked up on what they were there for, (or their need, yes) and played on it.
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    I love your response.... It lets me tell you what one of my favorite girls ever taught me.

    Men will pay big money for the ability to not have to call you tomorrow or have expectations put on them. My biggest client likes to spend time with me because he likes knowing ultimately he controls the shots as far as when he shows up, can leave whenever he wants & knows there are no motives other than $

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    so his "need" is not to have a clingy gf. something he feels he can't get outside of the club. i don't think we are disagreeing on anything really.

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    Exactly! Now to create the anxiety with this happy man... Become suddenly busy unless he is paying for your time, most of them don't want to take the time to "invest" in a different girl because then he has to reestablish that "he calls the shot"

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    Quote Originally Posted by tabithacooks View Post
    Great Book !

    This is a technique pickup artists use on their targets and it is somewhat effective because the idea is the get the target to "prove themselves" to you and seek your approval. For example: "You have really thin lips. You're probably not a good kisser." (challenge) "I totally am a good kisser! Let me prove it!" (seeking approval0

    In sales however, its proven that people spend more when you make them feel good - not worse - about themselves. Now, you can create a "problem" that must be solved by your expertise. For example: "Hey you boys look bored!" (problem) "Lets have some fun in VIP!" (solution)
    This is exactly my thought. However, our job is an interesting balance between sales and seduction -- it's not strictly one or the other. I guess the middle ground changes depending on the customer's personality and how much money he's spending. You'll spend more time seducing and less time selling for someone with a big wallet who's liable to spend hours in VIP with the "right" girl, because these types already KNOW they're going to be spending money -- they're just waiting for the girl who's going to make them forget that it's a business interaction to begin with. Alternatively, you'll probably spend more time selling than seducing in group situations, like you mentioned, where the customers may not frequent strip clubs as regularly and aren't as familiar with how it works.

    Back to the anxiety and discontent -- I think this technique would work for the men who are insecure and feel the need to "prove" themselves, I'm just not sure how to go about doing it in a subtle way and was wondering if anyone had any insight. My hustle is usually the sweet, genuine happy girl -- there are tons of girls in my club with the bitch/sex goddess hustle so it works well for me because it is unusual in comparison, it's what I'm most comfortable with, it suits me (I'm in my early 20's and look quite young) and as a bonus it tends to attract nicer customers.

    So anyway, doing this would be a little outside of my comfort zone.

    Exactly! Now to create the anxiety with this happy man... Become suddenly busy unless he is paying for your time, most of them don't want to take the time to "invest" in a different girl because then he has to reestablish that "he calls the shot"
    ^This is exactly what I do to get the most out of my time at work. Once someone has spent money and wants to "take a break" and have a drink for a while, I'll tell them I have a friend waiting for me and that I'll be back after I go say hello. This is somewhat different though... This is giving them the chance to miss you, so to speak, and to see that other men find you desirable, thereby increasing your value. Doing this is a great way to sell VIP to someone who has money but is being stubborn, you just run the risk of being "intercepted" while you're dancing for someone else in the interlude. Doing this also works with younger guys who "don't want any more dances." I swear, every time a customer I've already danced for that's under 30 sees me dancing for someone else, he immediately wants to buy more of my time. It's funny to me how consistently this happens.

    I think making someone feel anxious and discontent is somewhat different. I was more specifically wondering if girls had any one-liners or ways of directly interacting with customers that had this effect that actually *worked* to make them money. It's probably a very specific type of customer that this would work on.

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