so I just got into it with this girl on tumblr , for saying the following:
As someone who believes in legalizing all facets of sex work, I naturally was taken aback by such a vitriolic display, I decided to replyif your actions as a sex worker ally include saying/backing shit like “strippers aren’t whores/prostitutes/hoes” then you’re a whorephobic POS and should shut up forever.
The girl gets defensive:So saying that a stripper is not a prostitute is problematic? Are you fucking serious. Strippers who choose to perform a legal, no-extras, fantasy for their customers have to struggle working everyday next to Dancers who chose to break the laws. There needs to be massive reform when it comes to sex worker rights so that every job in the adult industry can be safe and legal, so that these problems do not happen any more. Expecting a stripper to not be clear about what her personal boundaries are, morally and LEGALLY, because it doesnt jive with your whoraphobia is working AGAINST YOUR FUCKING CAUSE!!!
Okay, I am a little confused. with what she wants to say...I think this girl (she is a prostitute herself btw) is fighting against the stigma that prostitutes get for being lesser humans but I dont understand why she feels entitled to mislabel strippers with her. I mean, saying a dancer is not a prostitute is good thing for everyone right? I would never stop someone from saying this, and I would never shame a prostitute for her career choice.... I am seriously starting to question myself at this point, but I responded:The issue is that whenever this phrase is used in “defence” of strippers it is ALWAYS used in a way that implies or outrightly states that actually being a prostitute is really gross and awful and strippers are not as “low” and “degraded” as to exchange sex for money. This is whorephobic and awful and anyone who cosigns that crap is a whorephobic asshole.”you’re both derailing this entire conversation. Although, it’s obvious from your words: “Strippers who choose to perform a legal, no-extras, fantasy for their customers have to struggle working everyday next to Dancers who chose to break the laws” that you’ve got some issues you need to work through. “STRUGGLE”, seriously? And you’re pretty clearly placing the blame on other sex workers rather than considering the circumstances that lead to their choices and also the fact that the laws are the problem, not sex workers who need to make more money and will take the risk of breaking the law to do it.
“Expecting a stripper to not be clear about what her personal boundaries are, morally and LEGALLY,” if you hadn’t already lost me, you’d lose me by now with the “morally” bit, but seriously - where the fuck are you going with this? This is a complete and total ENTIRELY DIFFERENT conversation to the one this post began with. No one’s talking about strippers and their personal boundaries or not being clear about them! This isn’t strippers vs other strippers!!! It’s not even strippers vs prostitutes! It’s “when people say shit like ‘strippers aren’t hookers’ they invariably mean that they consider strippers to not be as degraded and disgusting as hookers and that’s a whorephobic attitude’. Which it is. The simple distinction of “strippers do not provide sex for money and prostitutes do” is NOT whorephobic - it’s just making the distinction. BUT that whole “strippers ain’t hookers” thing is ALWAYS ALWAYS said to make the point that strippers aren’t so dirty and degraded as to offer sex for money and how dare anyone think they could be!
What are your opinions on this Stripperweb?hahahaha okay ”invariably means” actually that varies a lot, I have plenty of coworkers that have done both dancing and escorting and they will have no problem saying that there is a difference. They will have no problems telling you this because it effects their bottom line. So yes, there is a struggle and you are delusional if you think otherwise. Why would a guy pay 20 for a dance if another girl in the building is offering blowjobs for 30? The girl obeying the laws sure as hell isnt sitting there having sympathy for the other girl’s plight, time is money and she needs shit done too. oh, and I did already say laws were a problem you brick, but if you really wanted to do sexual favors for pay work at a massage parlor. Join an agency, there are fucking “options”. Regionally, this may not always work out but hey thats why there is the internet. And guess what, there are girls who do just straight up choose to break the law because they prefer the clientele that walk into a strip club.
You have obviously never been in a raid, every girl gets treated as a criminal and can have their record RUINED because of another dancer’s actions. I know girls who are constantly in search of clubs that protect their jobs because too often there are managers that can be paid to turn a blind eye towards anything, and the club eventually gets overrun with prostitutes and gets shut down This equation hurts EVERYONE except the managers. The laws are the problem. Not the language people are using, because people need to know the explicit differences.
In japan everything expect vaginal intercourse is legal, and as a result there are places that are strictly anal, strictly HJs, soaplands, all kinds of shit and yet strip clubs are still in business. They each cater to what a customer wants and make sure to not step over the lines of what they say they do, or else they can get fined.
You seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder about what an ally is supposed to look like maybe because “strippers do not provide sex for money and prostitutes do” and “strippers ain’t hookers” are the same statement, you are just furious at the language being used. It is clear from your reaction to my usage of the word “morally” and “boundaries” that you have little no grasp on the real problems facing sex workers. You sit behind your computer dissecting the tone and implications of a statement, that at it’s core, is true. Strippers are not prostitutes. A girl should never have to compromise her sexual security to make a living, yet simply stating it makes you dismiss me.![]()




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Your tangent veers a little off-topic from what she was trying to say, it seems, but I think both of you are valid in what you are saying.

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