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    Default Strippers and Prostitutes on the internet!! weee!!!

    so I just got into it with this girl on tumblr , for saying the following:

    if your actions as a sex worker ally include saying/backing shit like “strippers aren’t whores/prostitutes/hoes” then you’re a whorephobic POS and should shut up forever.
    As someone who believes in legalizing all facets of sex work, I naturally was taken aback by such a vitriolic display, I decided to reply

    So saying that a stripper is not a prostitute is problematic? Are you fucking serious. Strippers who choose to perform a legal, no-extras, fantasy for their customers have to struggle working everyday next to Dancers who chose to break the laws. There needs to be massive reform when it comes to sex worker rights so that every job in the adult industry can be safe and legal, so that these problems do not happen any more. Expecting a stripper to not be clear about what her personal boundaries are, morally and LEGALLY, because it doesnt jive with your whoraphobia is working AGAINST YOUR FUCKING CAUSE!!!
    The girl gets defensive:
    The issue is that whenever this phrase is used in “defence” of strippers it is ALWAYS used in a way that implies or outrightly states that actually being a prostitute is really gross and awful and strippers are not as “low” and “degraded” as to exchange sex for money. This is whorephobic and awful and anyone who cosigns that crap is a whorephobic asshole.”you’re both derailing this entire conversation. Although, it’s obvious from your words: “Strippers who choose to perform a legal, no-extras, fantasy for their customers have to struggle working everyday next to Dancers who chose to break the laws” that you’ve got some issues you need to work through. “STRUGGLE”, seriously? And you’re pretty clearly placing the blame on other sex workers rather than considering the circumstances that lead to their choices and also the fact that the laws are the problem, not sex workers who need to make more money and will take the risk of breaking the law to do it.
    Expecting a stripper to not be clear about what her personal boundaries are, morally and LEGALLY,” if you hadn’t already lost me, you’d lose me by now with the “morally” bit, but seriously - where the fuck are you going with this? This is a complete and total ENTIRELY DIFFERENT conversation to the one this post began with. No one’s talking about strippers and their personal boundaries or not being clear about them! This isn’t strippers vs other strippers!!! It’s not even strippers vs prostitutes! It’s “when people say shit like ‘strippers aren’t hookers’ they invariably mean that they consider strippers to not be as degraded and disgusting as hookers and that’s a whorephobic attitude’. Which it is. The simple distinction of “strippers do not provide sex for money and prostitutes do” is NOT whorephobic - it’s just making the distinction. BUT that whole “strippers ain’t hookers” thing is ALWAYS ALWAYS said to make the point that strippers aren’t so dirty and degraded as to offer sex for money and how dare anyone think they could be!
    Okay, I am a little confused. with what she wants to say...I think this girl (she is a prostitute herself btw) is fighting against the stigma that prostitutes get for being lesser humans but I dont understand why she feels entitled to mislabel strippers with her. I mean, saying a dancer is not a prostitute is good thing for everyone right? I would never stop someone from saying this, and I would never shame a prostitute for her career choice.... I am seriously starting to question myself at this point, but I responded:

    hahahaha okay ”invariably means” actually that varies a lot, I have plenty of coworkers that have done both dancing and escorting and they will have no problem saying that there is a difference. They will have no problems telling you this because it effects their bottom line. So yes, there is a struggle and you are delusional if you think otherwise. Why would a guy pay 20 for a dance if another girl in the building is offering blowjobs for 30? The girl obeying the laws sure as hell isnt sitting there having sympathy for the other girl’s plight, time is money and she needs shit done too. oh, and I did already say laws were a problem you brick, but if you really wanted to do sexual favors for pay work at a massage parlor. Join an agency, there are fucking “options”. Regionally, this may not always work out but hey thats why there is the internet. And guess what, there are girls who do just straight up choose to break the law because they prefer the clientele that walk into a strip club.

    You have obviously never been in a raid, every girl gets treated as a criminal and can have their record RUINED because of another dancer’s actions. I know girls who are constantly in search of clubs that protect their jobs because too often there are managers that can be paid to turn a blind eye towards anything, and the club eventually gets overrun with prostitutes and gets shut down
    This equation hurts EVERYONE except the managers. The laws are the problem. Not the language people are using, because people need to know the explicit differences.
    In japan everything expect vaginal intercourse is legal, and as a result there are places that are strictly anal, strictly HJs, soaplands, all kinds of shit and yet strip clubs are still in business. They each cater to what a customer wants and make sure to not step over the lines of what they say they do, or else they can get fined.

    You seem to have a massive chip on your shoulder about what an ally is supposed to look like maybe because “strippers do not provide sex for money and prostitutes do” and “strippers ain’t hookers” are the same statement, you are just furious at the language being used. It is clear from your reaction to my usage of the word “morally” and “boundaries” that you have little no grasp on the real problems facing sex workers. You sit behind your computer dissecting the tone and implications of a statement, that at it’s core, is true. Strippers are not prostitutes. A girl should never have to compromise her sexual security to make a living, yet simply stating it makes you dismiss me.
    What are your opinions on this Stripperweb?

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    Default Re: Strippers and Prostitutes on the internet!! weee!!!

    She sounds like a self righteous bitch. Perhaps communication is not a strong suit of hers
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    Default Re: Strippers and Prostitutes on the internet!! weee!!!

    she's just defensive, i mean we all go through society telling us we are used up, damaged goods in the sex industry..i think its gotten to her a just a tiny lil bit lol. she already has a chip on her shoulder from ( im guessing) some strippers looking down on her for her profession, but from the conversation you pasted, i don't think you said anything wrong. you are simply stating they are different, which they are! she's just bitter, and taking it out on you, unless there's more to how the convo started.

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    Default Re: Strippers and Prostitutes on the internet!! weee!!!

    I see the point she is making. When customers have asked for sex or something I have sometimes replied "i'm not a prostitute!/ do i look like a prostitute?!" or something to make them feel bad, but I know it implies that being a prostitute is wrong and lowly, so I don't say that anymore.

    I think she just wrote about it while mad so it went on and got a bit convoluted. BUT the shit about being sympathetic to whoring dancers' plights is stupid. If they want to whore, go do it not in the strip club.

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    I mean, I get where she is coming from as a lot of dancers say they're not prostitues as a way to justify their dancing - like, "well at least I'm not a prostitute" or "strippers are not prostitutes - we don't fuck our customers and ergo are better and shouldn't be so stigmatized." It does, in essence, put down prostitution as being "worse." It's in the same vein of go go, burlesque, and pole dancers who justify what they do by saying "well at least I'm not a stripper" or "I don't give lap dances/get naked/do this for a living so I'm better than strippers and shouldn't be looked down on for my art/dancing."

    This girl is obviously very defensive, but there are a lot of dancers who get defensive when put in the same position with go go dancers, pole dancers, or burlesque dancers who make similar comments.

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    I dont know what her deal is either I used to escort and havent stripped I'm a web model now. I think she does have a chip on her shoulder and maybe shes bitter because she wants to strip or shes just jaded from working maybe she feels like shes less of a person because of her carrer choice and feels all sex work should be labeled into the same pot of degrading nasty work thats the bottom of the bottom last resort to get by and have a roof over ur head and food in her mouth. One thing is clear tho - shes got issues beyond the worlds biggest tissue that she really needs to get worked out because im almost certain shes not happy with her life and doing what shes doing.
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    ^ i wouldn't necessarily say that, a lot of people , myself included, love stripping and we hear all the time " i feel sorry for you, you must just be trapped and wishing you could do something else instead of degrading yourself in the lowest job possible" and i don't feel that way at all, but i DO get very annoyed and angry when that is assumed. i've gotten pretty defensive over the past 2 years with ignorant twats and their unappreciated "pity" . i don't feel escorting is the lowest of the low scraping by job..its a woman's choice, its not like she's a sex slave in bangladesh (im assuming) its her choice, and its her job..and it should be respected. but yeah you're right she does seem a little over the top!
    edited to say, haha, i actually follow that girl on tumblr, small world i guess
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    I think you guys are arguing two similar, but ultimately different points.

    She admitted to knowing the difference between stripping and prostitution. She was merely commenting on the tone some strippers use to defend their work in the industry as being "whorephobic," which sometimes it is, and sometimes it isn't. Your tangent veers a little off-topic from what she was trying to say, it seems, but I think both of you are valid in what you are saying.

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    Yeah, I definitely think we are arguing two different points...Hers is all about tone and language though. We both believe what the bigger problem is, but in the end she really has a persecution complex dictating how the rest of the world sounds to her, and I cant hold her hand through that. Sex workers will probably never be the darlings of the society, no matter what job it is. So me telling someone what I do for a living should not be warped against me. If you are going to point blank state I am a POS for asserting my limit, I am going to expect you to explain yourself.

    And any stripper who does have an attitude of prostitutes being beneath her is probably living in intense fear of what she does and may not be cut out for adult work, but I sure as hell am not going to let a customer walk up to me and get me confused with anything I am not.

    The big fuckup mistake is where she thinks prostitutes are somehow entitled to work in Strip Clubs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apollopink View Post
    The big fuckup mistake is where she thinks prostitutes are somehow entitled to work in Strip Clubs
    This is totally agree with. It's getting harder and harder to find "no-extras" clubs, and for someone who isn't comfortable soliciting prostitution, it can be frustrating to compete with that! I don't look down on prostitutes at *ALL*, I just know my boundaries are different. Like others have said, she has a chip on her shoulder, not much anyone can do about that.

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    Too many words for a simple misunderstanding. Ultimatly the other girls point is that she doesnt want the word "prostitute" to be a derigatory term. A god example would be people saying "gay" in the same fashion. If you say, "but im not gay, really" this is a literal way of speaking. If you said, "I think arguing on the internet is really gay" this is figurative, since the internet is incapable of sexual preferences, its assumed tgat "gay" or "hooker" is synonymous with "bad".
    Whether strippers should perform as hookers in a stripclub is a whole other can of worms...espcially since yall were having a hypothetical conversation about legal reforms.
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