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    Default Is it true that customers would sometimes pay for conversations instead of lapdances?

    Is it true that sometimes, when customers visit strip clubs, they would just pay strippers to sit down and have a conversation with them? If so, would this cost the same as a lapdance?

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    Default Re: Is it true that customers would sometimes pay for conversations instead of lapdan

    Alot of guys do this esp in upscale clubs, you just charge them for half hour hour etc.
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    Default Re: Is it true that customers would sometimes pay for conversations instead of lapdan

    I've had guys pay for this yes-I've usually negotiated it with them and didn't tell the management!
    Other times it's a simple case of I approach a guy and he says 'Girl, I don't wana dance but you've been speaking to me for ten minutes so here's £10!' or, same but before I speak to him he says he wants my company but doesn't want a dance, can he pay me a dance just to talk to him for a bit?' Then I find it a bit awkward and don't know how long to stay lol.

    Sometimes if they offer me a drink and I'm not drinking alcohol and/or don't want one, I ask them to give me the £ instead and that can work
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    Default Re: Is it true that customers would sometimes pay for conversations instead of lapdan

    Rarely. Very, very rarely. I can think of two times that this has happened in my entire career. They weren't big spenders really, but it was slow enough that it was worthwhile. One time it was in an upscale club in NYC. The other time it was in a small nude/juice joint in Jersey.

    I've heard of this happening once in a while with my coworkers but that sort of exchange is an anomaly. (generally speaking)

    I wish more customers felt inclined to do this...
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    I agree, when it's slow and you don't want to be off hustling anyway these customers are great. They're not so great when the clubs' busy and you could be in VIP though!
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    Default Re: Is it true that customers would sometimes pay for conversations instead of lapdan

    Yes, it's true (as another girl mentioned, it's more prominent in upscale clubs). It doesn't happen on a regular basis but I've had it happen several times. Or there have been times similar to that, where I'd dance for a guy, he'd pay me for the dances, then afterwards I'd continue to sit and talk to him and he'd pay me a couple hundred for that time as well. Time is money. I've had my regulars do this too. Of course they almost always get dances, but there have been times when they'll come in and tell me I deserve to relax and not give dances, so we'll just have dinner and drinks together and they'd pay me x amount of money.
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    I've had it happen a lot and when I was on cam, too. I think that you have to be an amazing conversationalist.... interesting, knowledgable about what they do / their hobbies. I think that it takes a specific kind of man, but more importantly, a very talented entertainer.
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    Default Re: Is it true that customers would sometimes pay for conversations instead of lapdan

    It happens all the time at my club.

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    Default Re: Is it true that customers would sometimes pay for conversations instead of lapdan

    It also happens all the time at my club. About half of the guys who buy VIP "dances" from me prefer to just hang out and converse and I just throw in a dance move every once in awhile or sit on their lap. These guys are awesome to have as customers. Makes my job a little easier (:

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    Default Re: Is it true that customers would sometimes pay for conversations instead of lapdan

    It's happened to me quite a few times. In those cases I tend to take the custy into a private room aka champagne room. And not ally when I am already in a CR I tend to spend at least half of the time talking.

    But out on the floor just getting paid for it? Not often. Or during a not al lap dance? Extremely rarely.
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    Of course itt happens….but… don't go into this with that as your safety net, thinking that it will happen often-it may, or it may not. It depends a lot on your personality, your hustle and your ability to acquire regulars (it's often regulars that will pay for your time and for conversation).

    It also depends on where you work i.e. if you work in a dive or have more of a blue collar crowd then it’ll happens less IMO (those crowds are often younger or have less money to burn in general …or waste on someone without getting a lap dance).
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    Default Re: Is it true that customers would sometimes pay for conversations instead of lapdan

    I work one night a week in a weird club that only has strippers that one night of the week-it happens fairly often there. It's in the middle of nowhere, a very small town, and customers are around 40% contractors (workers there to build up the town) 40% dumb young idiots into drugs who spend but want extras (and do my head in pushing for them!) and 20% are older, (not THAT old I'm talking 30-60)rich men who have a bit of a brain and own the few buildings/businesses in the town . The older men do this. They don't want dances-but they'll pay for me to talk with them, maybe get one dance.It IS a dive, I mean, it's a nice place and the dancers are well looked after-but It's in a shitty town, cheap drinks, lots of drugs and the clientelle is VERY questionable-but I do spend a lot of time getting paid just to talk.It's hard to know when to stay and when to hustle, It's only a four hour shift and it's so unpredictable!
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    Default Re: Is it true that customers would sometimes pay for conversations instead of lapdan

    Most of my time in VIP/champagne is spent half and half between dancing and talking/hanging out. Very, very rarely have I had anyone want to pay me to sit and talk with them on the main floor or at the bar. However, having someone want me to sit and talk with them for free? That's very common. Even with a regular shift length, like sugarmouse0707 it's difficult for me sometimes to know how long to spend chatting a customer up; I want to chat long enough to give him an impression of my personality (in case he's one of the talky VIP types) but not so long that I lose money sitting there. And once I get talking with someone, I kinda find it hard to stop. I like talking to people!

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    Default Re: Is it true that customers would sometimes pay for conversations instead of lapdan

    like Aloe said, most of them want to talk for free, and when you bring up actually being paid for your time they say " oh come on, really?" and act like you're just a money grubbing, greedy bitch. i do most of the VIPs just hanging out, but not really on the floor. i wouldn't talk to a customer for anything less than $300/$400 an hour. same as VIP prices.
    but anyways, don't expect to come in and just talk and have them pay you the same as dances..most of them don't want to talk, and those who do don't really want to pay its unfortunate.

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    I've had this happen a lot. It's not how I make the majority of my money at work, but it certainly happens. You've just got to figure out who wants to just sit and chat and waste time because he's too cheap to buy dances, and who is at the club specifically for that type of company. There are tons of customers who really just want a connection with a dancer, and the connection doesn't have to be a physical one.

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    Question: Ladies if this happens often in your club... what do you and the customer talk about?

    Can anyone elaborate beyond the general, one-word, answers like "sports, stuff, their hobbies, whatever..."?
    I get the fact that a lot of it is LISTENING but good-goddamn, how do you pick the correct topic?
    What do you discuss?
    How do you keep their attention for a VIP length span of time and then some?

    I'm seriously curious?
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    I've had it happen a lot in my career! However, I find it's kind of difficult to ask to be paid for conversation, it's usually the ones who have already paid for a VIP/CR. I don't like dancing for 30 minutes - 1 hr straight! The customers that expect this irritate me.

    I've also had a couple of jealous regulars that would pay me not to dance for people. Usually then we'd just sit at the bar and talk.

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    Question: Ladies if this happens often in your club... what do you and the customer talk about?

    Can anyone elaborate beyond the general, one-word, answers like "sports, stuff, their hobbies, whatever..."?
    I get the fact that a lot of it is LISTENING but good-goddamn, how do you pick the correct topic?
    What do you discuss?
    How do you keep their attention for a VIP length span of time and then some?

    I'm seriously curious?
    I think it's really just being able to steer the conversation in a way that leads them to talking about something they are passionate about.

    A couple of weeks ago I had a guy get a room wanting dances, but somehow the discussion became about psychics/mediums/empaths? Suddenly here's this incredibly wealthy guy who owns a series of bars/restaurants in town, not caring at all whether I'm topless or not, telling me excitedly about the times he's communicated with dead people, his psychic dreams, etc. He extended from half hour to an hour and I maybe danced for 5-10 minutes towards the end.

    So really, *anything* goes!

    I find it's harder to draw out a conversation if it's about music/movies/sports... More intricate topics like philosophy, business... Travelers love to tell their best travel stories... etc. The key I guess is finding what THEY love to talk about, and being able to hold your own on the topic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by summerbre View Post
    I think it's really just being able to steer the conversation in a way that leads them to talking about something they are passionate about.

    A couple of weeks ago I had a guy get a room wanting dances, but somehow the discussion became about psychics/mediums/empaths? Suddenly here's this incredibly wealthy guy who owns a series of bars/restaurants in town, not caring at all whether I'm topless or not, telling me excitedly about the times he's communicated with dead people, his psychic dreams, etc. He extended from half hour to an hour and I maybe danced for 5-10 minutes towards the end.

    So really, *anything* goes!

    I find it's harder to draw out a conversation if it's about music/movies/sports... More intricate topics like philosophy, business... Travelers love to tell their best travel stories... etc. The key I guess is finding what THEY love to talk about, and being able to hold your own on the topic.
    +1! I've had a handful of instance where I've just sat around talking with a customer and been paid for it, and it was never generic conversations about movies or sports or something. Travel has been a big one, but by and large it's ridiculous shit like summerbre's case of psychics and mediums. I spent an hour with one customer talking about travel, which eventually led to us talking in Scottish accents for a great deal of the time. I spent another hour with a customer talking about great snacks to have when you're high.

    There's no specific formula to getting a customer to spend money on just conversation. It's basically kismet - approaching the right customer at the right time and somehow getting on the right topic that you are both able to discuss in a way that is entertaining for the customer. Being a good conversationalist and listener certainly helps to lead the conversation to that point, but you can never predict what the magic topic is.

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    Magic, luck, kismet, chance..... .... Meh.
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    +1! I've had a handful of instance where I've just sat around talking with a customer and been paid for it, and it was never generic conversations about movies or sports or something. Travel has been a big one, but by and large it's ridiculous shit like summerbre's case of psychics and mediums. I spent an hour with one customer talking about travel, which eventually led to us talking in Scottish accents for a great deal of the time. I spent another hour with a customer talking about great snacks to have when you're high.

    There's no specific formula to getting a customer to spend money on just conversation. It's basically kismet - approaching the right customer at the right time and somehow getting on the right topic that you are both able to discuss in a way that is entertaining for the customer. Being a good conversationalist and listener certainly helps to lead the conversation to that point, but you can never predict what the magic topic is.
    Lol, love the accents thing! I don't think I could pull off a Scottish accent though. My skill stops with a fake British one, and even that's nothing to brag about.

    And truly, Sophia, while there's no magic formula and there's a lot of happenstance involved, the bottom line is that there needs to be some sort of genuine intellectual connection. The times I've gotten paid well for conversation, I don't think I would've been able to fake it. And if I met a man who wanted to talk, say, about his fantasy football league or his top one hundred favorite stout beers? Forget it. It has to be something I know something about in order to participate.

    Try bringing up interesting stories and just see where it takes you. I think the medium conversation began by me making a (unfortunately, true) comment about how a relative of mine just informed me that all of the women in my family are mediums after he made some (goodnatured) joke about women being "crazy." I had no idea I was hitting on a topic that he knew so much about!

    Actually, I think trying to go with a formula or a laundry list of ideas would restrict the possibility of striking "conversation gold" because it takes away some of the organic flow of topics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by summerbre View Post
    the bottom line is that there needs to be some sort of genuine intellectual connection. The times I've gotten paid well for conversation, I don't think I would've been able to fake it.
    Agreed. I've genuinely enjoyed my time with customers who have paid me for conversation and it never felt forced or fake.

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    Ive had guys pay to want to cuddle, thats it no talking or dancing which is good bc small talk irks the hell out of me being that im an introvert. Also once had a guy hand me 100 bucks to go find a girl, had no clue who he was talking about and told him this and he said ok and walked away didnt ask for the money back. But these nights happen every so often. Usually im just geninunely enjoying myself in lala land, not worried about money when i get lucky

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    Fuck conversations. This thread just reminded me of something.

    I love customers that pay for the privilege of rubbing my feet in VIP.

    They get so focused on my feet that they rarely make a peep.


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    Quote Originally Posted by summerbre View Post
    I think it's really just being able to steer the conversation in a way that leads them to talking about something they are passionate about.
    This! I had a guy talk to me for a half hour about toasters. Literally, the appliances you put bread in to make your breakfast. Toasters. He was obsessed with their history and development and marketing, and collected antique models and would sometimes restore them to working order again. I have nothing, NOTHING, to say about toasters so I couldn't really hold my own, but he didn't seem to care. He seemed like he was ecstatic to finally find someone who would listen to him talk about this obscure subject that he loved. "Oh, wow!" and "That's so cool!" and "I had no idea! That's so interesting." got me a long way in that conversation.

    I think it actually did start out with me simply asking what he liked to do when he wasn't working.

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    Magic, luck, kismet, chance..... .... Meh.
    Yeah, I know exactly what you mean because I used to wonder and ask the same thing but it's completely unpredictable. I've talked about so many things, esoteric, practical, romantic, goofy, you just never know what they'll be in the mood for. Either let them take the lead or throw some things out and see what sticks.
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