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    So I just had my son 5 months ago. I started dancing again after a year break. At a new club because I live far from my 1st club. So I know my skills may be a little rusty. But this was working for me! Now it's not! So I approach a guy and I touch his shoulder/arm make eye contact/ smile ( i have dimples) and say " Hi,I'm trinity can I keep you company? They always say yes unless they are waiting for a special dancer. Then I will ask what's your name? Are you from around here? How was your day? Have you been here before? If they say No I will say "let's make this a night to remember come with me so we can have fun and I will hold their hand and stand up, Usually they will just follow my lead and get a dance. If they Say Yes they have been here b4 I will ask if they are having fun, if they yes i'm having fun I'll touch their hand and say lets go have some more fun. Sometimes they will say " i already had a dance" i'll say great your warmed up for me let's go have fun" or they will say i'm just here for the game, or I don't get lap dances, or maybe later, or i just got here, or i only had 1 beer/drink.. Am I asking too many questions? Am I not been aggressive enough, or too aggressive? Are my lines not sexy enough? I viewed hustle hut and i feel I have used it in my approach but it's not working.

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    Default Re: What is wrong with my approach/selling technique?

    It may just be that your approach isn't personal enough.

    I've had customers comment that sometimes they feel like dancers are "interviewing" them when they rattle off questions like that. Instead of asking all of those questions in succession, show some interest in their responses (ie: where they are from) and try and build a rapport before making a close.

    If you don't want to try to have a conversation first (if you're just trying to sell dances, not VIP), I'd ask less questions and turn up the sex volume.

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    Default Re: What is wrong with my approach/selling technique?

    I absolutely agree with summerbre. Finding the middle ground between sex appeal and conversation can be a fine line, but the sweet spot its there!
    In addition to brushing up on your hustle, try keeping yourself in a positive state of mind. Visualize yourself making money and closing sales, act as if you are already the top girl at your club, create a 'virtual reality' in your mind of what you want. Most of your success will come from within your mind. Knowing what to say is valuable and all, but how your view the world is really going to determine success.

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    Maybe it's the kind of club you are at. I started long ago at a "Wanna Dance" club & talked to a guy maybe 5 min.

    The club I am at now is more high end, and all about champagne sales & booking blocks of time. So I find myself spending a little longer with guys before going for the "big close".

    Every girl I see uses the same initial interview questions... So I make my approach totally different. Like I walk over & if I see them checking me out. I smile & say "I hope it's me you are looking at or I feel silly getting all excited". It catches them off guard, makes them laugh a little , I introduce myself& then ask "So what brought a innocent looking guy like you to a place like this?" Instantly I'll find out if they are meeting a dancer, from out of town etc... Without interviewing them.

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    I tend to just sit and look at the guy upbeat and say hey mind if I rest here? Chat a bit then I use a direct approach like hey when you going to let me take you back there and ride u like a bull. Or this is fun but I'm ready for a real fun time wanna join? Or make some comment how lap dances are like being on top, and so I'm a pro or ik what I'm doing ect. You have to make guys think sexually and an off the cuff approach guys like.

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    How much time do you spend with the customer before asking them for a dance? It doesn't sound like very long, and while that's good in some clubs, other clubs necessitate a longer hustle to build a stronger rapport with the customer. In that kind of club, summerbre is right in that you need to get personal and have a genuine conversation, not just make small talk.

    Also, while it sounds like you're doing a good job with making physical contact with the customer during your hustle, try mirroring their body language and doing lots of sensual touching (playing with their hair, running your hand down their arm and leg, etc.) while you're chatting. The little things go a long way, and that makes taking their hand for a dance seem more natural and less abrupt and forced from the customer's side.

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    Guys know when it sounds "rehearsed" so focus on switching things up, compliment him on his shirt, his watch, his eyes, ANYTHING. Guys love flattery. Ask different types of questions then the ones you are asking in addition to what you are already asking cause he probably has answered those questions 10x tonight already. The questions you are asking set you up nicely for a sale but it seems like you may need to spend more time chatting him up in this particular club.

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    I don't think you're saying the wrong things. I get plenty of dances asking questions and bullshitting for a few songs. Observe who just came in to avoid the whole "I just got here" line (although some guys always say that) and focus on playing the fantasy.

    My biggest problem is worrying about coming off as fake but guys ALREADY KNOW its fake! Call the ugly old bastard the sexiest man you've seen in here all day! He knows its not true but he still likes it so whatever!

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    in my experience, you don't want to ask to sit down. i just assume they already want to hang out with me, only exceptions being if they're already sitting with a girl or it's someone's regular, etc. you'll be able to tell in a couple minutes whether they like you, whether they need some time, or whether they're going to spend money or not.

    and like the other girls said, don't give them the basic questions right off. read their actions and try to discuss something other then the usual i'm-totally-prepping-you-for-a-dance subjects. get them comfortable first before you kick in the sales pitch.
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    Can I keep you company? intro is too formal, just introduce yourself. I think you need to build more rapport in your intro, or example, if a guy says he's from Miami - mention you went on vacation there, or knows someone there etc. Use questions to qualify your customer. Don't ask what his job is, ask him what he's here for first. If he says a convention = good, friends with the waitress = bad. A guy who is interested will ask you about the dance prices, aim high first, then scale down if you have to.

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    I say that if you have to "interview" the guy, meaning ask him question after question just to keep the convo going, he's probably not interested in you. When I hustle, I go up to them and ask them : "how are you?", "what's your name?", and then they ask me where I am from. I tell them to guess and when they guess, it is not me, but them "interviewing" me. Or if they don't ask me where I am from, I ask them if they live around the area and they will tell me. If they are from afar, it's a great conversation starter. I personally ask just couple of questions in the beginning and then it just goes on naturally. However, if the guy is not interested in me and gives me short answers to my questions, then it starts to look like I'm interviewing him, and then I go away. I don't force it. It might be my looks that he doesn't like or whatever else. I don't force something that is not there.
    In this business it is important to be able to tell who likes you and who doesn't. If you waste your time with someone who doesn't, well, your night is not going anywhere.

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    Default Re: What is wrong with my approach/selling technique?

    I say that if you have to "interview" the guy, meaning ask him question after question just to keep the convo going, he's probably not interested in you. When I hustle, I go up to them and ask them : "how are you?", "what's your name?", and then they ask me where I am from. I tell them to guess and when they guess, it is not me, but them "interviewing" me. Or if they don't ask me where I am from, I ask them if they live around the area and they will tell me. If they are from afar, it's a great conversation starter. I personally ask just couple of questions in the beginning and then it just goes on naturally. However, if the guy is not interested in me and gives me short answers to my questions, then it starts to look like I'm interviewing him, and then I go away. I don't force it. It might be my looks that he doesn't like or whatever else. I don't force something that is not there.
    In this business it is important to be able to tell who likes you and who doesn't. If you waste your time with someone who doesn't, well, your night is not going anywhere.

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    ^ i totally agree sexy_jenny, except that in certain cases a lot of men are very shy and socially akward..i've thought that some curtsies weren't interested, so i popped the question thinking what the hell, and ended up getting tons of dances out of them..but i agree that you should be able to tell who find you interesting or not,i rely a lot on body language ( body pointing away from me, arms crossed, no eye contact)

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    ^ i totally agree sexy_jenny, except that in certain cases a lot of men are very shy and socially akward..i've thought that some curtsies weren't interested, so i popped the question thinking what the hell, and ended up getting tons of dances out of them..but i agree that you should be able to tell who find you interesting or not,i rely a lot on body language ( body pointing away from me, arms crossed, no eye contact)
    ^The shy and awkward thing + A lot of guys have their hustle guards up. You have to remember, they may have already been approached 5-10 times in the night by girls who all sat there bringing no value to the "conversation" and expecting him to pay for dances after the same feeble "interview" process. So he's already expecting that he won't make a connection with you.

    You have divert the questioning and start the conversing, say something clever/unique on your approach, tell him a quick story about when you visited his home town (or make one up -- I've lived/traveled all over the U.S. so this helps me a lot), give him something he can relate to you on so that conversation starts flowing. I've had plenty of guys that initially didn't seem interested end up buying at least a dance or two, to guys that ended up buying VIP. Shyness and skepticism do not equal disinterest! You have to pull them out of their shell/make them forget about their wallets for a little while.

    ~Oh, and another thing, I like to get a guy laughing in the first minute or so. It loosens them up, and makes them more open. This isn't that hard for me, because I picked a god awful stage name (on an accidental whim I swear) at my current club and it's turned out to be quite the ice breaker... No one ever knows wtf I am saying! LOL. So I have some corny jokes that make my name easier to pronounce. Never picking this stage name again though...
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    I just walk up to them with my tits out. If they're coherent enough I ask em "D'you think they're real or fake? If you're wrong you're getting smacked with them in VIP!" Wins em over 98.9% of the time.
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    I agree about the 'interview' bit-I avoid it, and also because it makes *me* feel a bit awkward talking like that. The most like that I'll do is 'Heeey how's YOUR night going?!' Sometimes I'll say 'You look like you might be fun can I chat with you a bit?!' I'm a little cheeky. If a guy's scratching his face I say 'Oi you stop picking your nose!' Or if they look miserable, I say 'Ah come on dude cheer up, we're not that ugly in here!!' Try make him laugh-also it tends to stop the 'I don't want a dance love sorry' automated response that some guys do (which I always ignore anyway).
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    Quote Originally Posted by tempest666 View Post
    I just walk up to them with my tits out. If they're coherent enough I ask em "D'you think they're real or fake? If you're wrong you're getting smacked with them in VIP!" Wins em over 98.9% of the time.
    Love it! So trying this tonight!

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