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    I want to get into vixen modeling.
    I want to do this not as a means of income but its mostly a self fulfilling wish/ goal.
    My concerns are what I need to do to get to the point I want to be at (anywhere in a halfway known magazine to be honest). I know I need to tone but I'm also concerned that I MIGHT be a little old to get into the game and plus I dont have half the ass that most vixen models do.
    I will be 22 in July and I am 5'7, 175 pounds with veryyy little booty but a lot of boobie
    Has anyone been a vixen model? What steps did you take to get into the business?
    (If you want my picture to critique what I should improve on it is @msmochaxx
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    Default Re: Vixen modeling...

    What is a Vixen model?

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    Default Re: Vixen modeling...

    the only thing i would say is tighten and tone your middle , and play up your eyes

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    Your look is good enough now that a professional photographer can create good images of you with posing and lighting, a strategic prop here or there, and maybe it will jump start / give you the incentive to work out if that's the way you want to go. There are many sites where you can get TFP, but watch for GWC. The better images you show, the better the photographer you will attract. A good photographer can get good images of anyone but the 'keeper rate' increases the better the model is. That's why Brooklyn Decker gets the big bucks, she looks good from any angle. Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaineyLane View Post
    What is a Vixen model?
    Yeah, I'd like to know too..

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    Like a girl in rap videos?

    Okay so #1 just know that there's actually very little money in it and they only get paid around $1,000 per video and landing even just 1 video a month would be unrealistic, so you can't make a living off them. Most of them, if not all of them, are strippers but a good number of them don't like that information getting out because it can hurt their mainstream print or acting work. Majority are trying to become mainstream actresses from what I've seen, with the occasional glorified stripper or pornstar.

    And #2, getting in them is based on either auditioning for a spot or cultivating relationships (networking) with people who shoot these kind of things since you can't network with the actual musicians. Opt for producers, cinematographers, directors, etc. To do this, you should be living somewhere like Miami, LA, NY, or Atlanta so you can continually network and go to castings.

    #3 If you have an established agent, he/she should be able to get you this kind of work as your popularity grows. The reason for this is because its mutually beneficial. If you have created a brand off your name & image, then you have a fan base. By including you in the music video, that musician gains your fan base exposure and you gain his. There are print agencies out there but I don't know too much about them. The porn ones though are: Spiegler Girls, Motley Models, Type 9, Foxxx, 101 Modeling, ATMLA, OC Modeling, LA Direct, Matrix Models... I think there may be a couple others too but I'm not sure.

    You could go at this alone, but since you don't really know where to start, you're best of trying to get in with an agency. In exchange for them hooking you up with their contacts, they take a cut of whatever you get paid. Usually 10-20%. They all have different requirements for the type of girl they will take.

    If you don't want an agent or can't get one, your best bet would be to pay top photographers to shoot amazing work or you (TFP won't cut it because established good photogs won't have time for that). And then network with magazines and try to get your images in them. Then network with producers, cinematographers, and directors who shoot the music videos you are interested in and at least you'll have a list of where your print work has been published which then gives them incentive to hire you.
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    Vixen models are video girls essentially. But the video girl industry is dead. Those girls don't get paid anymore. And Vixen models don't get paid much either. That's why you have women like Brooke Bailey having to still do reality shows and club appearances even though she's been in the game since the early 90s.

    But if that's your dream than maybe submitting pics to be featured on WSHH honeys is a start? Although, I don't know what that leads to if their published. Oh, and move to Atlanta if you're not here already.

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    These two videos are a must watch if your interested in video/urban modeling. Like Exxotica said Urban Modeling is dead. I was an urban/glamour model for a couple of years(that's how I really got started in this industry). If these videos were out during that time then I wouldn't even have bothered with U.M. Alot of what Buffy and Kimmi said rang true to me because I experienced it.

    There aren't any paying jobs and you basically do tfcd/tfp. With tfcd some of the photographers won't easily give you your pictures. Some you have to harass in order to get your pics and others won't even give them to you at all. Girls use to make a ton of money from being featured in Rap videos, creating their own calendar, releasing their own Dvd, and running a membership site but those days are over. I'm mad that I missed the that era. Now a days the highlight and what girls make a big deal out of are magazine spreads(cough cough Draya & Brooke). But those magazines don't pay and your lucky if they even pay for your flight and room. The only thing these magazines give you is exposure. Alot of these women don't have products to sell like Mylessa and Buffie did. They use the exposure for other means(which I explain below). So you're basically working for free.

    What Kimmi said about magazine editors and photographers trying to feel on you is true. Some will even try an sleep with you for a magazine spread. I had a former editor contact me and he put me in contact with his brother who was a "Model Manager". He basically told me that I could make it big(be the next Lola Luv) if I was whiling to sleep my way to the top. He was ready to fly me out that weekend if I was whiling to sleep with a known rapper and do a bus tour(that's where a model goes on tour with rappers and she basically sucks and fucks whenever they wish).

    He also told me that if an Urban Model is well known then she most likely(definitely) slept her way to the top. He even named names. What was even worse was that he said that the average career span for an Urban Model is 3months to a year. When most of the ladies are done they may have enough money to buy themselves a condo. Sleeping your way through magazine editors and rappers just for a 3month to a year career in hopes of a payout was not appealing to me at all. This was years ago by the way like 2008-2009. I was done with U.M at that point. It definitely wasn't what I thought it was.

    I didn't know this before but alot of these magazine's are really just advertisements for escorting. What Kimmi said about alot of these models being escorts is true. But these ladies are not very bright escorts at all. They could really learn some things from the ladies on here. You see these models with luxury cars and expensive clothes/shoes. You think that there doing it big but its just smoke and mirrors. The cars are usually rentals or they belong to their boyfriend/sugar daddy. The clothes and shoes they rock aren't paid for by them they're usually payments for sex. I'm sure you heard of the saying "She's fuckin for Gucci or She's fuckin for bags". Welp that's what most of these women are doing. At the end of the day these women don't usually have a car, apartment/house, or any other assets.

    I could tell you alot more dirt about the U.M industry but I won't. Whats crazy is that I found out most of this information after I quit by people who weren't even in the U.M industry. Like Kimmi said the people inside U.M don't talk about any of this stuff. So your basically blind to all of it until it happens to you.

    Honestly for me Urban Modeling was a waste of time and I'd stay clear of it. There aren't any benefits in it expect for exposure. You can make more money with webcaming, stripping, or indy escorting. An you won't have to deal with any of the messy(disrespectful) politics that's involved in U.M. Sure the other niche's that I listed involve politics but I don't think they compare to U.M. But if you wish to do it then I'd strongly suggest having a website with products to sell. There's no point in having all that exposure if you don't have a product/business to sell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blovely View Post
    I didn't know this before but alot of these magazine's are really just advertisements for escorting. What Kimmi said about alot of these models being escorts is true. But these ladies are not very bright escorts at all. They could really learn some things from the ladies on here. You see these models with luxury cars and expensive clothes/shoes. You think that there doing it big but its just smoke and mirrors. The cars are usually rentals or they belong to their boyfriend/sugar daddy. The clothes and shoes they rock aren't paid for by them they're usually payments for sex. I'm sure you heard of the saying "She's fuckin for Gucci or She's fuckin for bags". Welp that's what most of these women are doing. At the end of the day these women don't usually have a car, apartment/house, or any other assets.

    You can make more money and with webcaming, stripping, or indy escorting. An you won't have to deal with any of the messy(disrespectful) politics that's involved in U.M. Sure the other niche's that I listed involve politics but I don't think they compare to U.M. But if you wish to do it then I'd strongly suggest having a website with products to sell. There's no point in having all that exposure if you don't have a product/business to sell.
    WOW! That is insane. I really thought these girls were getting Paid. Their always done up in designer shoes and handbags with the best weaves but the struggle is real. Can't say I am surprised. The hip/hop rap industry seems so unprofessional. Those on top don't follow any set rules and treat these women like their not even employees. I mean, where are the lawsuits??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exxotica View Post
    Vixen models are video girls essentially. But the video girl industry is dead. Those girls don't get paid anymore. And Vixen models don't get paid much either. That's why you have women like Brooke Bailey having to still do reality shows and club appearances even though she's been in the game since the early 90s.

    But if that's your dream than maybe submitting pics to be featured on WSHH honeys is a start? Although, I don't know what that leads to if their published. Oh, and move to Atlanta if you're not here already.
    Eeeekk WSHH. You basically get featured on their website and get paid for making a video. That video will be featured on there site and you get a bunch of exposure. They of course own the video and can do whatever they wish with it. Everyone and there mom views or at least knows about WS. So your mama, daddy, teacher, etc will probably be watching you on WS. They also make websites. Cubana Lust is the first WS Honey that I've seen with a website though. I think you also go to their events and host them but don't quote me on that. I think most girls become WS Honey's for the exposure.

    Honestly I haven't heard great things about their business practice. One chick said she got 2 different quotes from them about the featured video. That wasn't the first time that I heard about them juggling prices either. They juggled the prices with advertising as well.

    They also post pirated videos. A well known SM model who does race play was posted on there(that wasn't the first time either). A customer of her's either recorded her private or brought her video from c4s and submitted it to WS. She contacted them politely requesting them to take it down but they wouldn't. Then she sent a Dmca notice but they still didn't take it down. She complained about it on twitter and basically blew them up. So a bunch of her model friends and fans harassed WS to take the video down and they finally did. But a couple of weeks later I saw another one of her videos posted on WS again. Smh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Exxotica View Post
    WOW! That is insane. I really thought these girls were getting Paid. Their always done up in designer shoes and handbags with the best weaves but the struggle is real. Can't say I am surprised. The hip/hop rap industry seems so unprofessional. Those on top don't follow any set rules and treat these women like their not even employees. I mean, where are the lawsuits??
    Yep I thought the same thing too. The allure and glamour was what attracted me and many others to U.M. I was shocked to find out how most of those women were really getting their designer shoes, handbags, and undetectable weave. Smoke and mirrors.....smoke and mirrors I tell you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blovely View Post
    Yep I thought the same thing too. The allure and glamour was what attracted me and many others to U.M. I was shocked to find out how most of those women were really getting their designer shoes, handbags, and undetectable weave. Smoke and mirrors.....smoke and mirrors I tell you.
    I knew a few girls who did it years ago, and they were dancers and 1 also escorted. Its good if you want publicity, and watch what you sign, but you need some sort of financial backing & branding (i.e. stripping, camming, porn, or owning your own successful business of some sort) or its kind of a pointless thing to do. Putting yourself out there, like you said, for a zillion people to see with no reward. It will be viewed like porn to most people. So you might as well also do some sort of sexwork at the same time.

    And I'm not surprised about the designer-everything mentality. The girls I knew were the types who blew all their cash on designer stuff. Then again, this was back in the day, right before the recession hit, when everyone and their mother did that kind of thing. Materialism was such a big thing pre-recession. Designer everything.

    It does not surprise me that you say it has died out. It must have died out just like materialism did when the recession hit. And considering it was an industry based on designer everything, it makes perfect sense why that happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Exxotica View Post
    The hip/hop rap industry seems so unprofessional. Those on top don't follow any set rules and treat these women like their not even employees. I mean, where are the lawsuits??
    I think thats every sexwork industry. They're all unprofessional, but professionals do exist if you know where to look. Porn, stripping, camming, escorting. "Agents", pimps, studio owners, sex traffickers. Its like someone always wants a cut of our (sexworker's) money, and many know what to say to get you to give up your trust (and your pay). It sucks because you're supposed to know who you can trust and whose real, but if you knew that information as a newbie, you wouldn't be a newbie anymore.

    Lawsuits are either kept hushhush, or girls are probably threatened if they sue to the point where their safety trumps any amount of cash they could win. The people in power in these lucrative industries have soooooo much money and power. They aren't to be fucked with. And plus, they probably cover their asses, getting you to sign away all your rights before they even do anything with your photos/videos.

    Thank god for the internet. Reputation rules all. Sites like StripperWeb among other forums and websites, are the holy grail of sexwork information & reputations.

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    There is a site called model mayhem that might get you started. There are a lot of trade for services type posts there. I know a photographer/hobbyist who is always up to trade time with a pretty lady. Good luck.

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    Blovely you are so right. Even legit agents/managers will try to have sex with you. I wanted to do mainstream modeling since Childhood...but I have the urban/glamour/vixen model body. 5'4", small breasts, small waist, and a plump ass. My hips are 42 inches & I have an innocent look. I learned all about it when I was contacted off Twitter by an agent. He told me the ladies on the front cover either: 1) PAID to get that spot 2) Has strong connects with someone or 3) Slept with the photog

    He admitted the game is very dirty and there isnt much money in it. I know I would do very well in that field. Even local artists are forever asking me to be in their videos (NO! Lol) I didnt pursue it because, as I have said before, I wanted to do a diff type of modeling and I wont do something if my heart isnt in it.

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