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    so i've been really trying to get as healthy as i can be so ill look good when im older..eating great, exercising, retin A for skin and lots of sun screen, red light therapy, vitamins..but i feel like its all for nothing if i still friggn smoke!
    i've been smoking for 7 years, i switched to american sprits because they aren't as addictive and im trying to cut back. going cold turkey isn't really going to work and the patch makes my skin itch so bad i rip it off after less than a minute!
    i was thinking about doing the electronic ciagarette, it helped my friend completely quit..i hear its somehow bad for you tho? i can't see how, but anyone have any good tips on what helped them?
    i've been doing gum chewing, lots of exercise when i get a craving..my biggest thing is i want to smoke after a meal, when im driving, when i get up, and when i go to bed..i really want to quit this habit, but i don't want to tell anyone i know because when i fail or go through a moment of weakness they will just throw it in my face and laugh at me.
    i quit perscription pills awhile ago, and it was incredibly hard but i feel like this will be harder
    just looking for tips and success stories!

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    Have you looked into E-cigarettes?

    It's just trading one habit for another, but it seems you have a pretty strong will. You might be able to phase it out and eventually give it up.
    But this way you can tackle the physical cravings for nicotine, and still have zero nic juice for your e-cig and then tackle your mental addiction for hand-to-mouth later.

    plus, there's so many great flavors!

    There's an e-cig form that's pretty prolific and helpful. My boyfriend now owns two e-cigs and has tried a lot of juices but has a few favorites. Unfortunately, he never tried to bring down his nicotine level, so when he runs out of juice or his ecig breaks, he goes running right back to cigs even though he hates the taste. But, at least his lungs are taking less of a beating, and 80% of the time he's not smoking something that has like 5000 harmful chemicals.
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    yeah, i definitely want to try the E cigarette and then phase it out. i tried a cheap 30 dollar one 2 years ago and it didn't work that well, but i want to check out the 80 dollar one they have, i tried a drag and it tasted like a real cigarette! you're right i do have a hand-to-mouth fixation that ill need to fix but i feel i can do that pretty easily once i get the nicotine and chemicals out of my system..thanks!

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    My friend used Chantix and it really worked for him, but the mental addiction is what made him go back (keeping hands busy, etc.) Might be something to look into.
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    just googled it! so its kind of like welbutrin? i got a script for that i think im going to start using it..yeah i have a bad fidgeting, gotta keep my hands busy thing. i quit the first time by knitting my kid an entire sweater within 2 weeks just to keep my hands busy..i've recently recovered from trichotillomania ( compulsive hair-pulling). i started when i got pregnant for some weird reason and half my hair was gone in my early 20s it was awful. i just started doing something with my hands instead.. i think if i keep my hands busy and use and use the meds that could work too! thanks miss pickles!

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    I've got an e-cig, and now smoking actual cigarettes disgusts me, not had one since-I didn't even want to give up, I just ran out of tobacco (American Spirit-I'm vegan!) one eve and my boyfriend let me try his. I liked it so much that was that.

    They're probably not GOOD for you, really the only thing meant to go in our lungs is the earth's atmosphere but I can tell you I feel 100% better for the swap-and I was never a heavy smoker. It was more a social thing for me.
    Also I have an inkling that in the UK the EU are terrified of the e-cig's popularity's effect on the economy hence their reluctance to market the product or put any effort to take much time/money for it.
    I don't know where you are but I can PM you a link to the ones I use. I've even sent one to a friend in Australia where you can't get them lol
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    yeah i know what you mean, im in the US now, mass, but i heard they were trying to ban it here. which doesn't surprise me because the government and tobacco companies make millions/billions off of people's harmful addictions. mass has a huge tax on them ( which cracks me up when they try and say drugs are illegal because they are harmful. and the cigs they make money off of aren't?? hate hypocrites). so im going to get it now.

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    Stick with the Wellbutrin and maybe supplement it with a mood-stabilizer (Depicote/Xanax), if you experience bad mood swings. I've had two different psychs suggest it as a smoking cessation drug when I've asked, for others. I don't smoke but many people close to me do. Quitting without assistance is hard but it can be done, if you really want to quit. E-Cigs are good but unfortunately, people tend to just use them as a substitute and instead of gradually reducing the nicotine levels and tapering off, entirely, they tend to try to replace smokes with e-cigs and become discouraged when they realize it's not nearly the same fix. It's not suppose to be. So, there seems to be a higher likelihood of relapse, by using substitutes and not just quitting entirely and using medication to help cope with the mental and physical stress of withdrawls (which is very real and I do sympathize).

    Good luck, hun! I hate smoking because it basically killed my dad and I've struggled with partners who smoke and fight brutally about quitting. You're right, though, all the work you're doing to maintain your body and skin, as you get older is completely negated every single time you light up. But you can kick it.
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    Saw this article on quitting smoking:

    http://www.rd.com/health/wellness/25...ng-cigarettes/

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    ^^

    Maybe I'm just cynical but those are cute ideas that would never work on a hardcore, 2-5 pack-a-day smoker. I don't know how severe the OP's habit is but for people I know, they'd just as soon put their fists through a wall than "take a walk" or chew gum, when a craving hit. Let's put it this way: would you tell a recovering (and most recently sober) heroine addict to "set a quit date" and "write a list" when they feel anxious about relapsing? Do you think long-term addiction is as easy to kick as popping a stick of gum or peeling some peanuts on a break? No. When my dad tried to quit smoking he'd fly into rages. He wouldn't even cut back when I discovered I was allergic or nearly got infections from a facial wound being exposed to so much toxic smoke. A partner of mine would lunge at me whenever he was triggered to anger, after around ten days of being smoke-free. He took money to buy them when I begged him not to (I took ALL of his cash away, after) and I'm pretty confident he still would sneak them (probably bummed them), when he'd leave the house to "walk the dog" or go to his car for something. I've had a therapist even try to come up with last-resort ways to negotiate rationing cigarettes but really, you can't ration a stash to an addict. I especially disagree with the whole "stop buying cartons and buy by the pack". That's like going to the dealer's house and just having "one last fix". It's only $10 or $20!! What's it going to hurt, today? I'll quit, for real, tomorrow.

    Cigarettes aren't just bad for your health, they are dangerously addictive. Simone, do yourself a favor and treat smoking (no matter how casual you think you are about it) like the addiction that it is. Cigarettes are a product that contains a substance specifically designed to be nearly impossible to let go of. It's in your blood, soaked into your lungs, and connected to your nervous system to initiate specific responses from your brain to make you want more. Get on medication, stay on medication, and possibly even find a support group or behavioral therapy if you feel like you need it. Be honest with yourself about how much you smoke now and how often you think the amount has increased, since you started. You have to want to quit but you have to be prepared for literally everything in you working against that motivation. I'm just saying, be prepared.
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    Default Re: smoking :(

    I smoked for 10 years and quit last year. I quit cold turkey. Two things helped me quit.

    I cant smoke where I moved to.

    But when I was going thru withdrawals, the real ones, the hacking, coughing, diarrhea, etc I just kept thinking if i smoke again I could stay like this for the rest of my life. Every time I had a craving I thought of how awful it felt to not be able to breathe and if i didnt quit i could end up like that for the rest of my life. It helped alot. June 1 with be exactly 1 year for me. It was my fourth time trying to quit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vivianbear View Post
    ^^
    I've had a therapist even try to come up with last-resort ways to negotiate rationing cigarettes but really, you can't ration a stash to an addict. I especially disagree with the whole "stop buying cartons and buy by the pack". That's like going to the dealer's house and just having "one last fix". It's only $10 or $20!! What's it going to hurt, today? I'll quit, for real, tomorrow.

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    I agree and disagree with you.

    I only bought packs at a time. It kept me at one pack a day. Every time i bought cartons I would catch myself smoking 2 packs a day without thinking about it.
    By forcing myself to be conscience of how much I was smoking it kept me from allowing my addiction to escalate.
    Not everyone is violent when they are trying to quit smoking. Everyone has different responses. For me I had to go thru the hellish withdrawls and face them head on. If i hadnt i would never have quit really.
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    My Dad quit cold Turkey too. Said exercise helped.
    He keeps having a go at me for using an e-cig. I probably will drop the habit altogether one day but at the moment I am not fussed about quitting the vapourisers.
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    wait, withdrawals?? i had to go through opiate withdrawals and i can tell you it was the only time i ever experienced true hell on earth..i am scared shitless of withdrawals, how bad are they? my friend quit cold turkey and got a bad cold but she said she had no cravings and had no problems giving them up and if she could do it i could. well i soon found it wasn't that easy, maybe i just have an addictive personality, but i quit for 3 months just pure willpower and i did get very angry at the world and it took awhile to get used to it..i would keep sneaking cigs, "just one more!"..unfotunately, i broke up with my long-time boyfriend and started back up again full-force. i don't want that to happen again, i know i need to find other ways of handling stress. nicotine just calms my brain!
    i am planning on trying to use everyone's adivce on here..definitely going to get on meds to help, taper off using e cigarette, and exercise and remind myself why im quitting!
    im a bit scared to do cold-turkey..because with me, its like a crash diet i jsut get so stressed out i go back even worse than before. im going to treat it like a real addiction and not underestimate how bad my body/mind wants to smoke!

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    I think a lot of it is down to how much you want to stop, and how much in control you are of your mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vamp View Post
    I agree and disagree with you.

    I only bought packs at a time. It kept me at one pack a day. Every time i bought cartons I would catch myself smoking 2 packs a day without thinking about it.
    By forcing myself to be conscience of how much I was smoking it kept me from allowing my addiction to escalate.
    Not everyone is violent when they are trying to quit smoking. Everyone has different responses. For me I had to go thru the hellish withdrawals and face them head on. If i hadn't i would never have quit really.
    Firstly, congratulations on being smoke-free for a decade! That's great!
    I totally get that everyone is different and chemically, responds to the withdrawals in different ways. Both my Dad and partner were in the Navy so you can imagine how inundated they were with cigarettes. I think my Dad started smoking when he was around 13-15, too and died at 59, smoking easily 4-5 packs a day, at that point. He smoked more than he ate. That's smoking for 45 years STRAIGHT. I'm talking about people who have literally been smoking the majority of their natural lives.

    Personally, I don't know anyone who can ration themselves, by the pack. They just can't. If there's any disposable income to be had (or not), they'll get up and buy a pack of smokes. It's like a ritual. Like, the whole "take a walk" idea sounds great but where does a smoker normally walk to? Down the street, to buy a pack of smokes! Buying by the carton was the only way my family was able to create some sort of "budget" for my Dad's habit (and in the future, it was a compromise I made with my partner). Saying, "You can't have more cigarettes until the 1st of the month" and withholding money to buy any was the only way to control the spending (typically $80-$140/mo, depending on the brand) to maintain a peaceful co-existence. I'm really glad you were self-aware enough to put it together, the quantity of cigarettes you were consuming. That's a huge part of coming to terms with the habit and quitting. But the people I've known do not care about that. They don't see that connection, at all. Greater steps have to be taken when you can't self-manage enough to do the simple math of how much you consume and how much it costs, ya know?

    I'm sure not everyone is violent, nor did I include "everyone" in my anecdote. But even you describe your withdrawal symptoms as "hellish". Again, your perspective of "It's only going to get worse if I keep smoking" is profound and shows way more insight than others I've known who struggle with smoking and different forms of substance abuse. I don't know if you saw the potential for physical withdrawals or you didn't expect it. I'm not trying to be dire or alarmist but I've seen some pretty worst-case scenarios and I'm one to hope for the best and prepare for the worst.

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    im a bit scared to do cold-turkey..because with me, its like a crash diet i just get so stressed out i go back even worse than before. im going to treat it like a real addiction and not underestimate how bad my body/mind wants to smoke!
    Seriously, I wish you the best of luck. Whatever strategy you use, you have to remember you can quit, entirely. It's just a matter of time and being accountable to yourself. It's interesting that you mention opiates because it's very common for people who've had other substance abuse problems to use smoking as a method to maintain sobriety. This is completely understandable, obviously. I've been very close to my fair share of addicts and I'd much rather see my BFF chain-smoke than slam speed. My dad was a belligerent alcoholic for nearly 20 years before he quit and I think that's what kept my mom from really pressing the importance of quitting smoking. She'd seen him through the worst of his alcoholism and anything seems better than that. Besides the smoking, he was an amazing man and an incredible father. He would have been nothing, had he kept drinking. Looking back, this is obviously why we tolerated his habit for as long as he lasted.

    I've always been the opposite, in that whatever my vice-narcotic tends to be (opiates, too, typically), I have no significant daily crutch to help cope with the anxiety from withdrawals. I once tried drinking (sort of a last resort) but the physical effects of booze every. single. day. catches up to one nearly as fast as the drugs! And I'm really too cheap to be a decent drunk. Lol! So, if/when I slip up, I just have to muscle my way through the insanely shitty feelings and move forward. Wellbutrin and Xanax have been a huge help, thus far. Long-term, I hope I can find a more natural solution but whatever keeps me clean, today. I'm not trying to die in my sleep, anytime soon.

    I hope you keep perspective and don't stress out too bad. There are tons of really great medical journals with articles about sophisticated but surprisingly easy ways to attempt smoking cessation. I like reading those best because they're typically more specific about treating what symptoms are present at whatever stage of addiction and quitting you may be. You're totally right, don't underestimate it! Identify the symptoms and find coping methods that work for you, as it's happening and you'll move through it.
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    wait, withdrawals?? i had to go through opiate withdrawals and i can tell you it was the only time i ever experienced true hell on earth..i am scared shitless of withdrawals, how bad are they? my friend quit cold turkey and got a bad cold but she said she had no cravings and had no problems giving them up and if she could do it i could. well i soon found it wasn't that easy, maybe i just have an addictive personality, but i quit for 3 months just pure willpower and i did get very angry at the world and it took awhile to get used to it..i would keep sneaking cigs, "just one more!"..unfotunately, i broke up with my long-time boyfriend and started back up again full-force. i don't want that to happen again, i know i need to find other ways of handling stress. nicotine just calms my brain!
    i am planning on trying to use everyone's adivce on here..definitely going to get on meds to help, taper off using e cigarette, and exercise and remind myself why im quitting!
    im a bit scared to do cold-turkey..because with me, its like a crash diet i jsut get so stressed out i go back even worse than before. im going to treat it like a real addiction and not underestimate how bad my body/mind wants to smoke!
    It depends on how long you have smoked I think. I quit for ten months after i had smoked for five years. Back then I only had flu like symptoms.
    But after smoking ten years the withdrawls were alot rougher. It was like I had pneumonia.... feverish, chest congestion, trouble breathing, coughing,..... i had diaheria of black ooze, massive water retention, etc. I had cravings bad for the first six months. I just had to keep reminding myself of the withdrawls.

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    I smoked for 5 years on and off, gave up for 1,5 years, started again when I worked in a shitty club that really stressed me out. After a few weeks I was feeling yuck so I was wondering how to kick this habit again. What helped me was Alan Carr's book 'Easy way to stop smoking'. I downloaded a free pdf and just read it. While I was super skeptical, it is a fun read and non-preachy. It might not help you quit 100% but it goes deep into the psychological reasons of smoking and helps you get to the core reason to why you light up that cigarette in the first place. That was one year ago and I have since had the odd drunk cigarettes but almost never bought a packet myself. IMO you can't quit for someone else or for something else. The reason has to come from deep inside you and you have to be 100% convinced that you don't need to light up that nicotine stick. Good luck!
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    I just started using an E-cig the other day. My MIL got hem for us since we don't allow smoking in our house and it's been extra cold lately. We use the brand V2. And the filter cartridges come in assorted flavors and nicotine strengths. I'm using the full strength cartridges now and I'm gonna gradually go down in strength to quit. It's a lot cheaper too. Starting at $10.00 for a 5 cartridge pack. 1 cartridge is roughly the equivalent of 1 pack of cigarettes and it gets cheaper the bigger the package you buy.

    I like that I'm not wasting my money on half smoked cigarettes. I don't smoke a lot so sometimes a whole cigarette is too much for me. Or it's too cold to want to finish it. A few puffs and I'm set. No more filters sitting in my lawn or driveway to clean up. No more passenger seat full of empty packs.

    I still crave real cigarettes, but I think its the actual habit of getting my coat and shoes on to go outside that is leading to the craving.

    Good luck quitting!

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    I love e-cigs because I no longer have to deal with smelly ashtrays and butt-ends and the smell on clothes and stuff!
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    i ordered the e cigarette a few days ago offline, i can't wait for it to come in! got chocolate flavor

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    Really hope it works for you hun!What type did you go for?

    I had a blueberry flavour at first but found it a bit too sickly after a while!
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    I have a feeling some men don't actually need a woman (or anyone at all) in their lives. They could marry their own penises and live happily ever after.
    Start the day with a smile and get it over with

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    just got my E-cigarette in today!! i was going to go with either the one you recommended ( sugar mouse) or the one another member recommended, but my boyfriend ordered one for me before i could, its "green smoke". i got it in chocolate and they are awesome! they are very satisfying but i don't get that nasty, burning sick feeling in my throat when i smoke them. so glad, i thought i was gonna have to wait a week but now im throwing my cigarettes out for good. they are great quality, im so relieved!

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    I have never smoked but a friend of mine who was a VERY heavy smoker actually went to a hypnotist - sounds crazy - but it worked - I know it's odd - but if all else fails at least give it a try GOOD LUCK and be healthy!

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