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    Default Would I really make less money if I refuse to do "extras"

    If I become a stripper, but I DON'T do "extras" (especially in a club that allows customers to touch the dancers) would that make the customers not like me, resulting in me not making as much money as the strippers that do "extras"?

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    Default Re: Would I really make less money if I refuse to do "extras"

    ATL, I'm not going to provide my thoughts as this is a question better left to the dancers, but it might be helpful if you defined what you believe "extras" to be here. There are a lot of definitions of the term floating around these parts, so a little more specificity might lead to better answers.

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    Default Re: Would I really make less money if I refuse to do "extras"

    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    ATL, I'm not going to provide my thoughts as this is a question better left to the dancers, but it might be helpful if you defined what you believe "extras" to be here. There are a lot of definitions of the term floating around these parts, so a little more specificity might lead to better answers.
    By "extras" I mean having sex with the customers or giving them handjobs or blowjobs.

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    Default Re: Would I really make less money if I refuse to do "extras"

    In clubs where extras (ie. more contact than is officially allowed by club rules, whether that's sexual acts or light contact) are truly rampant, yes, you will make less money. You will still make some money as there are ways to hustle in such an environment, but when extras become the norm and expectation in a club, it's basically a race to the bottom and there's little room for clean dancers. In most clubs, however, where only a handful of girls offer extras, there is certainly still good money to be made as a clean dancer.

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    Default Re: Would I really make less money if I refuse to do "extras"

    Quote Originally Posted by ATLChick View Post
    By "extras" I mean having sex with the customers or giving them handjobs or blowjobs.
    Whoa, those are some pretty severe examples of "extras", to me and I've worked in two-way, full-contact, full-nude clubs in a few different locations. Like, "extras" to me can be anything from taxi-dancing at the rack (frowned upon in some parts as "giving too much away for $1 tip"), to letting guys touch boobs/grope ass (depends on location/laws), to nipple-sucking (I had a friend get chastised in a Canadian bar for allowing that, during a dance), to making out with guys/kissing on the mouth (this makes me furious!). Is this something you're expecting, having never danced before? Something you've heard of happening, locally? Something you've seen or have absolute knowledge of happening where you plan to work?

    Maybe I'm just lucky but from what I've seen, full-on sex acts aren't extremely common, in most places. Most chicks who are willing to negotiate sex will take guys outside the club for it. I'm sure HJs and BJs happen fairly often but likely only in places with private/semi-private dance rooms and after that, you have no control over it. I've never had a problem commanding high rates/tips and retaining customers despite being one who doesn't allow two-way contact (even when it's allowed) nor will I give contact information or agree to meet outside the club for sexual activities. I have a lot of confidence, too and won't let myself be bullied by aggressive customers or intimidated by anyone's expectations. I've seen "extras" but I've also seen management/bosses pull girls aside after catching them in the act and deal with them accordingly. I'm confident that if those girls feel they absolutely have to participate on that level, it'll catch up with them, eventually. I can honestly say that I've only worked in one place where I felt like it was a detriment to my business but that place was infamous, anyway and as soon as a better alternative came up (awesome, ex-dancer-owned juice bar FTW!), I left and never went back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vivianbear View Post
    Whoa, those are some pretty severe examples of "extras", to me and I've worked in two-way, full-contact, full-nude clubs in a few different locations. Like, "extras" to me can be anything from taxi-dancing at the rack (frowned upon in some parts as "giving too much away for $1 tip"), to letting guys touch boobs/grope ass (depends on location/laws), to nipple-sucking (I had a friend get chastised in a Canadian bar for allowing that, during a dance), to making out with guys/kissing on the mouth (this makes me furious!). Is this something you're expecting, having never danced before? Something you've heard of happening, locally? Something you've seen or have absolute knowledge of happening where you plan to work?

    Maybe I'm just lucky but from what I've seen, full-on sex acts aren't extremely common, in most places. Most chicks who are willing to negotiate sex will take guys outside the club for it. I'm sure HJs and BJs happen fairly often but likely only in places with private/semi-private dance rooms and after that, you have no control over it.
    I work in a city full of two-way, full-contact, full-nude clubs and I'd say about a third of them do are full of such severe extras (to the point where you will not make a worthwhile amount of money by not offering sex acts), while the rest fall into the same realm of extras that you're used to (kissing, nipple sucking... both HUGE pet peeves of mine as well, but alas!) with the odd girl here in there who will offer hand jobs/fingering. FWIW, the dirtier clubs do have private dance rooms and, most importantly, management that simply doesn't give two fucks.

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    I would also point out that a 'clean' dancer who chooses to work in a club where 'extras' are widespread and expected by customers essentially faces the same risk of being busted as the other dancers who are actually performing the illegal 'extras'. Or put another way, if and when a 'clean' dancer is ( bogusly ) swept up in a club bust, she really has no way of proving to a jury of housewives, civil servants, bible thumpers etc. that she did NOT actually perform the illegal sex acts that the fine upstanding local vice cop claims she did.

    Thus, from a 'devil's advocate' standpoint, 'clean' dancers who choose to work in 'extras' clubs are taking almost all of the same risks ( i.e. bust / criminal record etc. ) with none of the higher earnings potential that performing 'extras' would provide. And, ironically, if and when a club bust does happen, the higher earning 'extras' girls will be able to afford to retain high powered attorneys who may very well succeed in getting the charges dropped, whereas the lower earning 'clean' dancer might be stuck with a public defender thus a higher probability of being ( bogusly ) convicted !!!

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    Default Re: Would I really make less money if I refuse to do "extras"

    Are you assuming that top earning strippers do extras??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    I would also point out that a 'clean' dancer who chooses to work in a club where 'extras' are widespread and expected by customers essentially faces the same risk of being busted as the other dancers who are actually performing the illegal 'extras'. Or put another way, if and when a 'clean' dancer is ( bogusly ) swept up in a club bust, she really has no way of proving to a jury of housewives, civil servants, bible thumpers etc. that she did NOT actually perform the illegal sex acts that the fine upstanding local vice cop claims she did.

    Thus, from a 'devil's advocate' standpoint, 'clean' dancers who choose to work in 'extras' clubs are taking almost all of the same risks ( i.e. bust / criminal record etc. ) with none of the higher earnings potential that performing 'extras' would provide. And, ironically, if and when a club bust does happen, the higher earning 'extras' girls will be able to afford to retain high powered attorneys who may very well succeed in getting the charges dropped, whereas the lower earning 'clean' dancer might be stuck with a public defender thus a higher probability of being ( bogusly ) convicted !!!
    OMG, so seedy strip clubs would really have club busts? And would actually arrest ALL the strippers that work there and charge them all with prostitution? Even if they DON'T do extras?

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    Default Re: Would I really make less money if I refuse to do "extras"

    There are other factors that determine a clean girl's ability to make money in a dirty club. If the club has high turnover for customers (i.e. new, non-local customers enter the club on a common basis), then you'll be able to make more money since newb customers won't necessarily be aware that extras are expected. You can 'train' new customers to some degree. The second major factor is how obvious it is that extras are happening. If extras only happen in the $600/hour skybox with two specific dancers who only work Fridays, then you'll be able to make more money as a clean girl. Whereas if full grinding & groping is happening in floor dances and more happens in VIP, you'll be less likely to make money as a clean dancer. You get the idea.

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    Default Re: Would I really make less money if I refuse to do "extras"

    Quote Originally Posted by ATLChick View Post
    OMG, so seedy strip clubs would really have club busts? And would actually arrest ALL the strippers that work there and charge them all with prostitution? Even if they DON'T do extras?
    They typically wouldn't arrest all the strippers lol... one, they'd have to have reasonable cause for each one, and two, the city jails would be completely overcrowded with people of whom the large majority won't even be booked into county, let alone charged and convicted. Usually when a prostitution bust is made only a few people are actually arrested; a lot of strip clubs bust follow a long investigation. To charge someone with prostitution, you must be attempting to prove that the person at question agreed to engage in prostitution and had the intention of doing so. Typically the people arrested are the people who were directly involved in the prostitution, not the clean dancers. However, if the dancer doesn't have proper identification necessary to work in that area (state ID/driver's license, dance license, etc) she can be arrested.

    I live in Detroit, one of the worst cities in the country in terms of extras. I hear of clubs in the area being raided for prostitution all the time. A club that I worked at was busted in an ongoing police investigation (no clean dancers were arrested, only extras girls). Sadly, these clubs are usually able to re-open shortly after being temporarily closed, many times they won't close at all, and the extras continue. I'd say in Detroit right now it's pretty tough to find a club where the ratio of clean-to-extras girls is better than 50/50. And when I say extras, I mean everything. There are girls who have a full menu. At some clubs, and this isn't even including the dives (which I don't know about), girls will give head for $50 (no lie, I am completely serious). The most "upscale" club in the state, Penthouse, is one of the dirtiest clubs. It's actually pretty much a brothel, the standard there is $200 for everything and that's the price of the most expensive club. It's absolutely disgusting and frustrating.

    But there's hope. I never have done extras and never will and I'm still able to make what I consider good money. I'm probably averaging about $500-600 a night in the past couple months which isn't bad. However, besides the extras girls, I'm one of the top earners at the club(s) I work at which is sad. A top earner should be making more money than that.

    It's though because these extras girls here in Detroit are so cheap that I'll make more money than most of them without doing any extras. Lol!
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    This is a great thread that I am glad to have read tonight. I work at a club where some girls do extras and others do not. I thought I was giving extras by allowing a guy who I was just talking to to touch my g-string! (In this case though he did get 2 dances from me and tipped me when I was on stage) In the lap dances I gave guys did try to grab my crotch but I just took their hands away and placed them on my backside. I have absolutely no intention of doing "extras," and it seems so far if I am able to make two lap dances in a row that is good for me. I would ideally like to do more dances, and eventually get to the VIP, but if I have to do extras to even be a "middle earning" girl, I refuse and will start looking for another club. At my club its 18+ and many of the girls are about 10 years younger than me, spend most of their time on the floor on their cell phones or chatting the younger customers. I spent a lot of time talking to "older customers," who seemed to genuinely enjoy my company and eventually buy dances from me. The younger girls who may have a better figure than me told me they were not interested in these "older men," that just adored me. I think part of it is finding out what customers genuinely like you, and going for those kind of guys. I heard a lot of NO's from the younger customers but at the end of the night ... when I thought I would walk out of the club with just about $50, a older man APPROACHED me and requested that I dance for him UNTIL I had to go back to the stage. I was so grateful that I was able to make over $80 my second shift! So all in all, as a newbie, I think it is possible to make good-decent money not doing extras. Also, if customers know that one particular girl does extras and they are all waiting for that girl to arrive to do their extras for them ... they may end up waiting a long time, and then get bored and MAYBE eventually get a dance from another girl.

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    There's a girl who works day shifts at my club. I can't stand her because before I even knew who she was, customers were telling my sister and best friend (who were also working with me at the time) that that girl was going around telling all of the customers that I'm a bitch. Ha. I didn't even know who she was, and wasn't even working the day she decided to go around telling everyone that. When I saw her I confronted her and she said the reason she said that is because I "gave her a dirty look once." Hm, ok, that makes a lot of sense... anyhow back to my point, this girl does extras. I've heard her admit it before and I've had guys ask me for sex, I turn them down, then 60 seconds later they're heading upstairs with her. Gross. She always complains that she's broke, so I know she isn't charging much for these extras. I read a review about her on tuscl.net where she gave a guy head without a condom and had sex with him all for $150; so that's $75 for the head and $75 for the sex. No wonder she isn't making money! Hilarious, right?

    Anyway girls, this is a prime example of how the extras girls are NOT always the top earners.

    Most of the extras girls don't make a shit ton of money. There is one who sometimes does, she has a regular customer who's extremely rich and she makes over a thousand every time he comes in. But when he doesn't come in she barely makes anything. In Detroit extras are so regular that they can't realistically charge any substantial sort of money. Anything over $200 and the guy can find it from a different girl for cheaper. So I'm not worried.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    I would also point out that a 'clean' dancer who chooses to work in a club where 'extras' are widespread and expected by customers essentially faces the same risk of being busted as the other dancers who are actually performing the illegal 'extras'. Or put another way, if and when a 'clean' dancer is ( bogusly ) swept up in a club bust, she really has no way of proving to a jury of housewives, civil servants, bible thumpers etc. that she did NOT actually perform the illegal sex acts that the fine upstanding local vice cop claims she did.

    Thus, from a 'devil's advocate' standpoint, 'clean' dancers who choose to work in 'extras' clubs are taking almost all of the same risks ( i.e. bust / criminal record etc. ) with none of the higher earnings potential that performing 'extras' would provide. And, ironically, if and when a club bust does happen, the higher earning 'extras' girls will be able to afford to retain high powered attorneys who may very well succeed in getting the charges dropped, whereas the lower earning 'clean' dancer might be stuck with a public defender thus a higher probability of being ( bogusly ) convicted !!!
    Luckily this has never happened to me but one club I was working at did have a bust when I wasn't there and as I understand it all the dancers were taken to the police station. However I don't believe all the dancers were busted, just ones they had proof on. It's been years though so I could be wrong.

    This thread is just sad because what is now extras now was never even considered and extras back then are often normal. I never kissed a customer on the lips, or let him touch me and a bj or a hj would have gotten me fired and arrested.

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    OMG, so seedy strip clubs would really have club busts? And would actually arrest ALL the strippers that work there and charge them all with prostitution? Even if they DON'T do extras?
    one club I was working at did have a bust when I wasn't there and as I understand it all the dancers were taken to the police station. However I don't believe all the dancers were busted, just ones they had proof on.

    This varies from jurisdiction to jurisdiction ... and also varies depending on the REAL reason behind LE launching the club bust ( i.e. election year headlines seek a maximum number of busted dancers for the local news reports ), plus the likely attitude of local judges and jury members to possibly take the word of a 'stripper' over the word of a local cop in the absence of 'hard' evidence. Obviously this is more of a concern with clubs in the 'bible belt' than with clubs in 'liberal' northern states.

    However, even in cases where the DA decides not to press prostitution or lewd conduct charges, a record of the arrest is still created.

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