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    Quote Originally Posted by Rina View Post
    As a woman, a feminist and sex worker, I'll have to disgaree. I have been all of those things for more than decade. The are as many different types of feminists as there are women. Maybe hang with some pro-porn feminists, some time.
    I don't wish to speak on behalf of anyone else, but the reason she probably assumed it was a feminist (as I did) is because yes, there are many pro-porn feminists... there are, as you say - so many different kinds of feminists... But (so very, very unfortunately), anti-porn feminists seem to scream the loudest - and those wretched screams seem to be heard by people in higher places.

    Like bossy, attention-starved children, they certainly seem to take some pleasure in having their presence felt.




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    So qualify your statement properly and say anti-porn feminist, not feminist. It's that simple. Having dealt with the anti-porn contingent face to face more times than I can can count I am well aware of their existence. The reason their voices often get heard of above pro-porn feminists is because often women who are pro-porn see them as the totality of the movement. Hence my point about not lumping all feminist together.
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    I don't wish to speak on behalf of anyone else, but the reason she probably assumed it was a feminist (as I did) is because yes, there are many pro-porn feminists... there are, as you say - so many different kinds of feminists... But (so very, very unfortunately), anti-porn feminists seem to scream the loudest - and those wretched screams seem to be heard by people in higher places.

    Like bossy, attention-starved children, they certainly seem to take some pleasure in having their presence felt.
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    Double post. But to add those voices are also heard because it suits the patriarchy. I'm not hear to threadjack and make this a lesson about feminism, I just wanted to make sure that Tara was aware that there are pro porn feminists.
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    Sugarmouse.....GAAAAHHH! Oh my lord, reading those comments made me want to stab myself in the eye with a fork. What a self-righteous little prick - and I would love to know what his "experience" is, and how on earth he thinks that HE can work in the industry, and be all fine and happy and stuff, but when women do, we are clearly damaged and miserable.

    I'm sure that this legislation won't come to anything, but it still makes me so MAD. How freaking "degrading" is it to suggest that all porn, in all forms, is damaging to women? And yes, I get that it is partially worded li,e that because it was for Women's Day...but why is there nothing about removing porn because it is degrading to men?

    What in the ever-living fuck? What kind of retarded double-standard is this? I can actually understand the viewpoint of many people who do not think that porn is healthy or ok for anyone watching or performing. I sure as heck don't AGREE, but I get it. What I do NOT get is the people who think that porn is all fine and dandy for men, but is damaging, degrading, and terrible for women.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simone87 View Post
    what a self-righteous little cocksucker!! i wish i could jump on there and tear his egotistical little ass to shreds lol
    You can if you wish, it's a public post!
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    Sugarmouse.....GAAAAHHH! Oh my lord, reading those comments made me want to stab myself in the eye with a fork. What a self-righteous little prick - and I would love to know what his "experience" is, and how on earth he thinks that HE can work in the industry, and be all fine and happy and stuff, but when women do, we are clearly damaged and miserable.

    I'm sure that this legislation won't come to anything, but it still makes me so MAD. How freaking "degrading" is it to suggest that all porn, in all forms, is damaging to women? And yes, I get that it is partially worded li,e that because it was for Women's Day...but why is there nothing about removing porn because it is degrading to men?

    What in the ever-living fuck? What kind of retarded double-standard is this? I can actually understand the viewpoint of many people who do not think that porn is healthy or ok for anyone watching or performing. I sure as heck don't AGREE, but I get it. What I do NOT get is the people who think that porn is all fine and dandy for men, but is damaging, degrading, and terrible for women.
    It makes me mad , too thanks for the empathy !
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    ^i loved tearing into that little shit, i hope he gives me some high n mighty bullshit reply so i can do it some more!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rina View Post
    So qualify your statement properly and say anti-porn feminist, not feminist. It's that simplew. Having dealt with the snit-porn contingent face to face more times than I can can count I am well aware of their existence thanks. The reason their voices often get heard of above pro-porn feminists is because often women who are pro-porn see them as the totality of the movement. Hence my point about not lumping all feminist together.
    Qualify my statement properly and ensure I call people out by their correct labels? Or else what? My entire standpoint is rendered meaningless?

    As you know, there are as many different "types" of feminists as there are women. It's not that simple.

    The individuals that make up anti-porn brigade will tell you the very same thing, and each one will likely throw a pedantic fit over which label, tag, word, phrase, etc, gets associated with them... ~ "Oh, but I'm such-and-such feminist; she is a such-and-such feminist and also such-and-such; why are you calling me that kind of feminist when that one has that tag!? I don't want to be lumped in with those!" - There are enough "add-ons" for feminism, for us to play a Word Association Game until the end of time.

    My honest opinion: If you really want to assign yourself a label over which you will fight to defend, why not just say you're a humanist? That you're for human rights? Which word other than "feminist" do you know, that has been as bastardized?

    Just for the record, I feel like it's relevant for me to clarify my own stance. I am for human rights; I don't really like labels in general; and an avid fan of this quote: -"Feminism is the idea that we can make both sexes equal by focusing solely on the issues of one of them." - TheAmazingAtheist.

    The statement you asked me to qualify, was simply as I said before: That the mouthy reputation anti-porn feminists have is possibly what led to Tara's assumption. I don't want to get into a debate about feminism. I have been in plenty of those. I'm for the rights of men just as much as I'm for the rights of women. I'm for human rights and I'll leave it at that.




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    Quote Originally Posted by simone87 View Post
    ^i loved tearing into that little shit, i hope he gives me some high n mighty bullshit reply so i can do it some more!
    Haha I thought it was you but wasn't sure could have been any girl whose read this thread! Sneaked a look at your pics you're so pretty xx
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    aw thanks, so are you! people like him make me soo angry! like you said, its the most degrading thing to pretty much tell women they don't know what's best for themselves and we are all degrading ourselves

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    Ugh, that guy's posts make me want to throw up, poke 10 inch dildos into my eyes, and watch femdom porn. Hopefully not all at the same time




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    i seriously want to reach in the computer and rip his cheesy looking little gottee off his face lol.
    the only good thing that could come of this ( if it happens) is that at least the "free, highly accessible porn" will be gone, and although girls may have to go underground and change things up a bit, they will be earning a lot more money!

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    again the esoteric arguments regarding anti-porn feminism in europe are essentially a 'side show'. The USA is shooting for the same objective of blocking access to certain adult websites, but doing so via an entirely different excuse i.e. unauthorized use / rebroadcast of copyrighted material. In both cases it's very possible that the TRUE intent is in fact restriction of international trade / protection of 'domestic' industry.

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    I can honestly say that my experiences in the adult industry have made me feel empowered NOT degraded, and not counting lesbian porn of course, last time I checked you need a pecker in the picture too. I don't hear much about them being degraded. I'm a feminist in that I want EQUALITY, I wouldn't have a job if men weren't into my work. I can't understand how other people believe that we are dirtier or more degraded than the meat beating men that watch us.
    Anyone who thinks we don't deserve the sexual freedom of men and arent mentally capable of making the decision to do porn or not is a faux feminist. Stifling our sexuality in any way is a step back, not forward for women's rights.

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    All i know is that none of this crap would ever fly in Finland. We're too liberated. Even if it passes in the EU Parliment I doubt anything would change here.

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    I'm so much worryed If they vote it tomorrow, camgirls like me, who are living in the EU will lose their job? Could this really happen? ((

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kisha View Post
    I'm so much worryed If they vote it tomorrow, camgirls like me, who are living in the EU will lose their job? Could this really happen? ((
    I am worried as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kisha View Post
    I'm so much worryed If they vote it tomorrow, camgirls like me, who are living in the EU will lose their job? Could this really happen? ((
    from what i have read, no. this is not legally binding, even IF voted in tomorrow. but it will open doors possibly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simone87 View Post
    from what i have read, no. this is not legally binding, even IF voted in tomorrow. but it will open doors possibly.
    Hmm anyway I hope it'll come to nothing tomorrow...

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    on a not so serious note..
    When people become of age to watch porn, they're given their own log in to the internet of porn xD That I could go for.

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    Porn ban rejected.

    Gender equality in favour.

    Win/Win!

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    What did I tell you all? I knew that wouldn't pass.

    That being said, you should all pay more attention to what happens in Eu Parliment as well as what happens in your own governments, so stuff like this doesn't get anywhere near as far as it did today.

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    fake feminists you can shove my dildos up your arses

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