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    Hello,

    I am looking to start a new cam site but before I an do that I need a place where I know I can get Models and how much it will cost me. The camsite I am launching will pay the models per min, per member in thier room but the guys will only pay a monthly charge not a per minutes charge and whatever they choose to tip. We are about 3 mo from launch and I would like to pay the studios a flat fee per hour per girl if possible. Any and all suggestions welcome.

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    ^^^we're pretty anti-studio here on stripperweb so I don't expect you'll get a lot of responses regarding that, but hopefully you'll get some feedback and/or questions from chicas who would be interested in working your site unaffiliated with a studio. Pay per hour sites tend not to be popular, but I know some chicas here do work them.

    questions that are generally asked of new sites include how payouts will work (duration of pay periods and methods of payment) and how the site will operate (eg free chat/vs no free chat, can cam girls sell digital content such as videos and pictures as well as cam shows)

    I'd try to get this thread moved to Industry Insight where you'll receive more responses but Dollar Den is currently without a moderator so it'll have to stay here.

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    Jessica darling u sent me a private message but when I tried to reply it said ur inbox was full hit me up again when u can

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    Default Re: Is there any studios here that i can partner with

    Quote Originally Posted by loryl77 View Post
    Hello,

    I am looking to start a new cam site but before I an do that I need a place where I know I can get Models and how much it will cost me. The camsite I am launching will pay the models per min, per member in thier room but the guys will only pay a monthly charge not a per minutes charge and whatever they choose to tip. We are about 3 mo from launch and I would like to pay the studios a flat fee per hour per girl if possible. Any and all suggestions welcome.

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    How will you pay models per minute for each guy that is in their private chat room... but only charge the guys a flat fee to access all models private chats??? Sounds like a huge expensive disaster waiting to happen.

    You want to pay the studios a flat fee per girl per hour? So are you paying the studio owner a flat fee per girl per hour.... for what? And then on top you are paying the models per minute per guy in private, and after all of this only charging the customer a monthly fee?

    Am I misunderstanding something here?
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    ^^^ these days any new business has to be very careful of paying workers a flat fee per hour ... because of the potential ObamaCare costs to that business which could follow.

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    Im also struggling with this entire concept. From the other thread, you mentioned having an optional tip account for members as well.

    Since all the members will be membership holding members- Im really trying to understand this.

    I sign up to work on your site. Im not going to sit in 'free' (obviously) if there even is a free option. Im going to be in 'paid' mode. Anyone thats viewing my Im going to be paid for. You mentioned in the other thread it would be at a rate of something like 6$hr per viewer.

    Now Im certainly not going to be performing for that little. You also mentioned having some type of 'alert' for when a certain number of members are viewing and my rate hits a certain amount- such would be my cue to 'perform' I guess.

    Honestly the whole thing sounds a bit complicated. Id be sitting there either waiting for more viewers to join the room so Id be getting a decent rate (all the while having to monitor no one leaves- because if they do, Im gonna stop), or demanding that the members that are there tip so that I get a decent payout. I cant see the men who already are paying a monthly fee now paying me an additional tip just to see a show- theyre going to feel ripped off.

    (I dont know why someone would join your site for a monthly fee when they could join many other sites with the same set-up for NO monthly fee)
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    Doing some basic math- this seems to be a recipe for disaster. Youd either have to be charging a high monthly fee, which means youll have a low amount of members. Girls are going to sign up, but they arent going to be doing sex acts for pennies on the dollars. Members paying those high fees are going to be pissed and refuse to tip for sex acts when they are paying so much. The girls will continue to log in cause its easy money, but the guys will cancel and not come back.

    You can charge a low member fee, get lots of members. Girls will sign up, again, theyre not going to perform unless they have tons of viewers or someone tips. Because it was a low monthly fee, maybe the guys will tip, maybe there will be tons of viewers. You may go broke though if the girls are logged on too much and the member fees dont cover it. Then what??

    You can try to charge what you think is a reasonable member fee and get a decent amount of members. The girls will work it the same as above. Members dont like it because they end up paying and theres no way to ensure the girl is going to perform with out demanding additional payment or other viewers.

    But its always going to play out the same. Theres a reason why no site uses a structure like this. It doesnt work. Its not because nobody thought of it. It just doesnt work.

    Typically you have to limit the amount of time the girls can work or lock the members in to year long contracts or you end up going broke.

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    thank u so much for all the useful insight I really appreciate ur time.

    I was gonna charge the guys around $75 per mo no free members and then they add tipping $ if they want.

    I was going to pay the girls X per viewer per min. This counted by software of course but the model sees her earnings go up minute by minute. The X amount will then change just like the market price for a lobster. For times when we have many members I can lower the X because any good girls should have many viewers. For times when we have few members I can raise this so girls with some members still make money. This would also keep the site well balanced because I am trying to set a system to where models can be alerted via text message when the X reaches a certain point. This automatically helps me out when I only have a small number of models as well as when I have many.

    Of course I am not excited to pay per min. but I am a new camsite how else will I get them with no traffic at the start

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    if u are willing to write content I will give u a backlink on icamgirls.net

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    I was going to pay the girls X per viewer per min. This counted by software of course but the model sees her earnings go up minute by minute. The X amount will then change just like the market price for a lobster
    Again, you have to be careful in the way that this is structured. You potentially face exposure of having to pay out enough money on your end to guarantee a net $8.00 per hour ( or whatever ) minimum wage, even if the actual girl's payout based on viewers per minute is $6 or $4 or $2 per hour.

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    If I was the owner Id also be very concerned about girls being connected and simply letting the feed run and collecting pay and not providing any service at all. (thats what a flat fee per hour is and why no site offers it)

    To ensure you dont go broke and to keep the members happy, youd have to impose some type of rules. You must perform when theres X amount of members. However if the members know this, they wont tip, theyll simply wait for the room count to grow to see the mandatory show. Most models HATE mandatory things. Being told you MUST perform when someone pays X amount, or the room count is X is a surefire way to ensure no model will work for you. Models need to have the control to stop and start the show when they are comfortable. They shouldnt have to perform just because there are a certain number or viewers or because the guy paid.

    You can only be logged in X number of hours per week- this would give you a cap on how much you could potentially have to pay out if every signed up member logged in and each model worked the max for the pay period. Without a cap on how many hours a girl can work- theoretically a girl can be logged on and two or three members can view her feed for days if not weeks on end, watching her sleep and eat and chatting occasionally (voyeur style) and you'll be paying her the whole time. They get it for a bargain rate of 75 bucks a month. She'll be raking it in. Youll be broke in no time.

    (Honestly- Im sorry I even posted the above, because I have a few guys that I couldve offered the above scenario to. They wouldve jumped on a site where they couldve paid 75 bucks a month to join, I wouldve let my feed run 24/7 and been paid per minute per viewer by the site. Of course I wouldve charged them a hefty 'fee' before telling them what site to sign up on for such a deal, that they wouldve paid- and if the site was still standing at the end of the month, I would demand a large tip to stay on the site and repeat it the next month. But overall 75$ plus a tip is a heck of a bargain deal for a 24/7 30 day voyeur cam plus cam shows when other viewers are on or Im splitcamming on other sites.)

    Again, this is why its always been pay as you go. Its not because no one thought of it. Its because the numbers dont work. Youd have to have more men paying for memberships and not using them, then men paying for memberships that are using them.

    If you take in 1k a month in membership fees, you can only pay out 1k a month in per minute views. Anything more and youre in the negative.

    So what are you going to do? Limit the amount of time the men can go on? Thats not an unlimited membership. Youd have to limit the amount of time or number of girls online.

    Did you really crunch the numbers? Are you confident that if every girl stayed online and every member utilized their membership to the fullest you wouldnt go in the red? because Im not so sure.

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    You can only be logged in X number of hours per week- this would give you a cap on how much you could potentially have to pay out if every signed up member logged in and each model worked the max for the pay period. Without a cap on how many hours a girl can work- theoretically a girl can be logged on and two or three members can view her feed for days if not weeks on end, watching her sleep and eat and chatting occasionally (voyeur style) and you'll be paying her the whole time.
    And not only this, but under the new ObamaCare laws, if you allow the girl to be logged on 30 or more hours per week your business may become liable for having to pay a $3000 IRS 'fine' per girl for failure to provide health care benefits for that girl. And unlike income taxes the IRS will try to collect those ObamaCare fines regardless of whether the business is profitable or not. Again I'm not trying to bring unwarranted pessimism to this business model ... but for a fact there are now a bunch of potential new 'loss risk' factors to consider.

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    they would b independent contractors

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    I doubt the models would be considered employees. It's my guess that they would be considered private contractors. Even if they were considered employees, the employer would have to have at least 50 employees before being required to provide health insurance for employees.

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    ^^^ unfortunately, if you check other SW threads regarding 'employee dancer' court rulings against clubowners, you'll find that just because a business operator 'says' that workers are independent contractors no longer means that a judge or the IRS will automatically agree. In fact, it is now strongly in the interest of the IRS and the states agencies NOT to agree since 'employee' status = more money for the IRS and the states.

    When a business owner departs from a 'sales = paid commission" ( or no sales = no pay ) business model toward a minimum pay rate regardless of actual sales business model, that's a major factor toward determining 'employee' status. When a business owner departs from a 'customers pay for services rendered' business model ( i.e. the business simply passes through customer money to independent contractors ) toward a 'customers pay a monthly fee' business model ( i.e. the business pays its workers based on some formula that has no direct linkage to customers paying for specific services by a specific worker ), thats another major factor toward determining 'employee' status. When a business owner departs from allowing workers to choose whether or not / how many hours they want to work on a particular day toward a pre-determined schedule / limited total working hours, that's yet another major factor toward determining 'employee' status.

    And if / when 'employee' status is decided, the business owner can be ( sometimes retroactively ) held financial responsible for guaranteeing that workers are ( were ) paid the minimum wage, plus the business owner can be held responsible for paying the employer's share of SSI taxes, for paying state unemployment and disability insurance premiums on behalf of workers, etc. going forward. And all that is required for that possibility to rear its ugly head is a couple of workers hooking up with a hungry lawyer to sue your studio. If that happens, the business owner is faced with the dilemma of A. ponying up tens of thousands of dollars out of their own pocket for legal fees and settlement money in an attempt to settle the lawsuit, or B. ponying up thousands of dollars in legal fees to go before a judge and 'take their chances' in regard to what the judge might rule the business owner is financially responsible to pay to workers and to the IRS / state.

    True that at this moment an exemption exists that allows very small businesses having less than 50 workers to avoid the ObamaCare penalty for failure to provide health insurance benefits. But writing that off as a 'won't ever happen' also inherently limits potential business expansion potential.

    Look, I'm not saying that any of these possibilities are absolutes. However, these days, it's irresponsible and/or foolhardy for a new business owner to refuse to consider the possibilities when evaluating the future profitability of their business model. Despite what the FED and mainstream financial media tout, 'risk' does have a price !!! If you choose to ignore my comments, fine ! However, I would highly recommend that you pay careful attention to the corporate structure you set up such that if/when the price of this 'risk' comes home to roost you don't wind up losing your personal assets along with your business being bankrupted.
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    Im on GFY with you - did... werent you trying to sell this site a year or two ago for 25K? Is it now stable enough to launch a camsite? bc you didnt have any bidders bc you admitted the site didnt have any traffic, and were essentially selling a domain and a few scripts for a high fee. If you have the traffic to sustain this, OK, but you were ready to dispose of this site (?) fairly recently so Im wondering if.... you have the traffic or cient base to even sustain this model. I can understand how itd begin with studios/models but you may hit a brick wall if youre unable to... pay them? Which would impact the reputation of the studios recruiting on your behalf.





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    I really doubt it would be 30 hours per model per week... The math on this endeavor is frightening.

    Memberships are projected to be apx 75 a month (and some given away for free) Models are to be paid .10 per minute. Guys can view as much as they want.

    So thats 6$ an hour per model. A model only has to work 12.5 hours a month being viewed by one viewer and his membership fee is exhausted. That doesnt take into account any overhead for server cost, payroll, taxes- nothing. Just the models payment. The model doesnt even have to do anything for those 12.5 hours.

    Like I said before if you have 10 members and you took in 750 bucks in membership fees (forgetting about overhead) you can only pay out 750 in model payments. You cant stop the guys from logging on. 750$ in model payments is apx 125 hours. There are 744 hours in March. So hows that gonna work out?

    Of course some one is not going to be logged in with active viewers all the time but youre not gonna make it through the month. 10 members maybe what 3 models? The first week maybe they all log in, you let all the girls work, your bank drops down from 750 to 400. You get nervous. The next week you only let 2 girls log in. 7 members come back. Your now down to 100 bucks. What do you do the third week? You only let the one girl log in. 5 members are there, the balance is dropping quick so you pull the plug. You now have 3 pissed off models and a bunch of pissed off members, wondering why they cant get on and what happened to the other 2 girls they met that disappeared.

    You can try to keep the site going by funding it with new membership fees as others join but thats like a dog chasing its tail, paying peter with pauls money. Youd be building a house of cards and its inevitably going to collapse on you. A payout structure like that is going to be exploited- never mind the valid points that Melonie made about the highly suspicious flags youre raising about it seeming like youre avoiding tax and healthcare regulations by paying an hourly wage and then claiming these are 'independent contractors'. Um yeah right. Good luck with that one. That doesnt scream fraud at all on paper.

    It does seem like you are passionate about wanting to do this and thats definitely required, but this is a cut-throat industry and the odds of a new site succeeding are slim. You need a lot of start up capital and a solid business plan. I dont know what your capital is and I have no business asking- but from what you disclosed about your plan- its not good. And your plan is my business. Its anyones business whos considering getting involved with you (which is Roasts point). No one is going to get involved with you and have their name tarnished unless they believe in your product.

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