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    Quote Originally Posted by Incantatious View Post
    Let me just say how happy I am for the "no outing" rule here on SW. You don't realize how much drama and bullshit that rule actually prevents until you see that shit in practice on other camming forums. Not pretty.
    I actually didn't realize how many unhappy people resided on that other forum until now. Like ones who legitimately hate their lives or the fact that they cam or something. Its plain as day in that thread lol. Especially the ones who are shaming her for not knowing the extent of the legalities in her country. Do you know how many of those same people shaming her, probably live in places where camming is also illegal? And how many of the girls shaming her rent apartments where their landlord knows exactly what they do? Lol @ their stupidity, honestly.

    It makes them look like they're genuinely slow for their "she deserved it!" comments. Well now, would you deserve to be homeless and taken to court for thousands of dollars when your landlord sues you for violating your lease bc of camming, and then places on a rental blacklist? FREAK ACCIDENTS HAPPEN. CAMMING IS PRACTICALLY ILLEGAL UNLESS YOU OWN YOUR HOME NO MATTER WHERE YOU LIVE. Just so you know. Even then, your neighbors still could lobby to get you out of the neighborhood if they knew what you did for a living AND even if you owned your home. Lol @ all the stupidity. I cringed so hard at the hypocrisy and stupidity that I couldn't even read the whole thread.

    SECONDLY, regarding drugs, THREE GRAMS were found. Three grams for 6 or more people. That's nothing. Hey guys what's the difference between 3 grams divided by 6 people versus 1 adderall pill? I'll give you one hint: Nothing. Yes, in the eyes of the crooked Thai law she can be made to look like a drug dealer or a mass consumer of drugs, but that's only because they want to punish her for being a threat to the Thai morality code. But the truth of the matter is, you do not know this person. Maybe she's a workaholic and needs to stay awake? Maybe she suffers from narcolepsy? I'm not pushing drugs here, but a little dash is not going to kill you or make you into an addict. And I mean, what if she had an adderall Px? Anyone can get one. Suddenly things would be majorly different even though its basically the same thing only you have a piece of paper saying you can have it? Lets not let our schemas take control of our ability to have common sense.

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    QUESTION TIME! Hey guys what's the difference between...


    - An insatiable slutty pornstar who makes porn almost daily, has sex for money with other guys watching her, who also profits off illegal sex trafficking, and who is a massive drug addict who will do anything to get her fix?

    VERSUS

    - A cam girl who cams on a cam site to make a living, who runs a studio of other consenting cam girls in order to help out girls in a country where people don't make much, who had 1/6th of a TEASPOON of an amphetamine to keep her focused?


    ANSWER: Nothing. Just the media's portrayal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by temptingmodel View Post
    Hawaii is the same ^^ Dont fuck around if you are not a local or now certain ppl.

    Laws are different for locals vs non locals.

    Anyways, I hope everything works out to the best of her favor.

    This can be a life lesson taken to heart for all of us. Think twice before making a mistake
    Hi tempting,

    Hawai'i was one of the places I was raised. As a haole (white person) and a malahini (outsider) I can relate to everything you said.

    It's common knowledge on our island that the assistant chief of police is one of the biggest drug dealers on the island. Been that way for years & not going to change.

    I also lived in Thailand for a bit and lived in Europe for a year.

    I guess this is part of the reason why I am saddened by all of this. I think when a person comes to a new place, they should have respect and not cause trouble.

    Plus, the kids....omg...
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    i think that the thai officers are pissed that white men brought american money to their area and set up a studio where thai nationals are earning american money doing porno. it sets a good example if the studio is shut down and a scene made. i think some forget that they also arrested the two white men. they are probably been seen as 'pimps'. and the fact they are both white and drug users makes it worse. how can foreign man come into our country and recruit our decent women into pornography? and the actual thai-smut that goes on probably runs on thai money, whereas mfc money=american dollar. and even if they let her off i think those guys are going to be made an example of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Via Flaminia View Post
    I think when a person comes to a new place, they should have respect and not cause trouble. I'm not saying she didn't have a right to make a living~ I think she absolutely did.
    The issue is that she drew attention to herself. Not on purpose, it was like a freak accident. Whether it was from writing a book that pissed off the wrong person, or thinking she was doing Thai girls a favor by trying to get them into camming to make some money for their families. Her intentions were definitely not malicious, but they drew attention to her.

    But this could happen to ANY of us. If a random man wanted to date you and you didn't want to, and then he ended up stalking you (ear on your front door), you could get busted. All it would take is an anonymous phone call to your landlord saying you do porn from home, and it would have to be investigated. Things like this could happen to ANY of us. Its best not to draw attention to yourself, not to piss anyone enough, and to be discreet, but all of those are much easier said than done. Freak accidents happen.



    Quote Originally Posted by TeenageAnnie View Post
    i think some forget that they also arrested the two white men.
    She was arrested, her boyfriend, and some other guys. Those 3 were the Europeans. Three Thai people were also arrested at the same time. Ones from actual Thailand.

    We all know many foreign companies are corrupt and only after profit. They were mad they couldn't profit off this, so no reason to keep her around. They're sure fine with keeping both unconsenting sex trafficking and child sex trafficking around, but that's only because they profit from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlamourRouge View Post
    The issue is that she drew attention to herself. Not on purpose, it was like a freak accident. Whether it was from writing a book that pissed off the wrong person, or thinking she was doing Thai girls a favor by trying to get them into camming to make some money for their families. Her intentions were definitely not malicious, but they drew attention to her.

    But this could happen to ANY of us. If a random man wanted to date you and you didn't want to, and then he ended up stalking you (ear on your front door), you could get busted. All it would take is an anonymous phone call to your landlord saying you do porn from home, and it would have to be investigated. Things like this could happen to ANY of us. Its best not to draw attention to yourself, not to piss anyone enough, and to be discreet, but all of those are much easier said than done. Freak accidents happen.
    Absolutely. Everything you said.

    I will add, when I lived in Thailand I was the most careful. I agree with everything above, but as an outsider you have to behave as such and accept that the rules that apply to others don't apply to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlamourRouge View Post
    Yes, in the eyes of the crooked Thai law she can be made to look like a drug dealer or a mass consumer of drugs, but that's only because they want to punish her for being a threat to the Thai morality code.
    On another note, I will agree to that. The real reason why there was a huge bust on this was because it was a foreigner and they wanted to make an example out of her. Normal Thai people generally like foreigners. To be honest, they embrace American culture like crazy! Going to McDonald's with your kids is considered a weekend treat, they love hip hop, American clothing brands... truly, the only ones who are xenophobic are the authorities. These guys don't like change, nor do they like a "bad reputation" for Thailand. They have very archaic ways of thinking, imagining that our culture can't be preserved should people decide to embrace the Western culture of being more sexually open (OOOOOoooo!). Ok, I agree with them on certain prospects, such as forbidding the sales of land to foreigners to protect the Thai people or else Thailand would be a mini Europe by now. BUT, I do not agree on a lot of things.

    I personally would like it to have camming legal for the ladies in Thailand. It would take them off the streets. It could be the answer to stop sex tourism there overall. Maybe I'm getting ahead of myself, but if I could, I would want to create a safe haven for all of the girls who sell themselves on the street. Call me captain-save-a-ho here, but I don't see how keeping those brothels open is more moral than a girl earning money camming in her own private home.


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    I don't think you can compare getting caught by a landlord with possibly serving life in prison or death.
    From the article an undercover cop had been camming with her for a while before they raided her. I don't think it was an MFC model.. I think when she started involving Thai women in her work is when the police started watching her. In Thailand it is very common for Western men to come over and traffic their women.
    I don't feel bad for her- she knew it was illegal.. she even said she had to use a proxy to even stream on MFC- apparantly Thailand blocks all adult websites. Those poor babies

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    I thought this little blip at the end of this article was amusing:

    http://www.pattayadailynews.com/en/2...attaya-estate/

    "However, the police will investigate further to arrest the owner of the website that broadcasted the nude video clips."

    Really? They already acknowledged the website is based in the US. So Thai officials think they are going to come on over and arrest the owner of MFC now? Ha.

    I wonder where MFC will go with this... it seems to me they are already walking quite a fine line by allowing explicit shows in free chat, where hundreds of the guests in any given room could be underage. I'm surprised MFC hasn't run into serious shit already with the way the site operates. I realize it's "on the performer" to follow the "rules" but wouldn't you think it's on the site owner to enforce the rules?
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    Quote Originally Posted by catgirl View Post
    I don't feel bad for her- she knew it was illegal.. she even said she had to use a proxy to even stream on MFC- apparantly Thailand blocks all adult websites. Those poor babies
    This.
    Earlier I said that I thought she had a right to make a living. Well, I did not take this into account ^. Of course she was doing other things that were legal....social media, the book, etc.

    Also when you enter the country at major points there's a huge sign (used to be there, anyway) that says what happens to you if you get caught buying, selling, using drugs, or even having drugs on your person or in your home. Unlike my home country, they carry out their threats of punishment and swiftly at that.

    I don't do drugs, but these two things alone would have stopped me. No amount of money is worth these risks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Via Flaminia View Post
    This.
    Earlier I said that I thought she had a right to make a living. Well, I did not take this into account ^. Of course she was doing other things that were legal....social media, the book, etc.

    Also when you enter the country at major points there's a huge sign (used to be there, anyway) that says what happens to you if you get caught buying, selling or using drugs. Unlike my home country, they carry out their threats of punishment and swiftly at that.

    I don't do drugs, but these two things alone would have stopped me. No amount of money is worth these risks.
    Isn't everyone jumping to conclusions? There is no evidence that she personally bought, sold, or even used illegal drugs. It says everyone in the house failed a drug test, but it doesn't say what they failed. And that doesn't mean she doesn't have a prescription or something that caused her to fail the drug test. Things like Adderall will cause you to fail a drug test because its essentially prescription meth, and anyone can get a px for it if you say the right things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlamourRouge View Post
    Isn't everyone jumping to conclusions? There is no evidence that she personally bought, sold, or even used illegal drugs. It says everyone in the house failed a drug test, but it doesn't say what they failed. And that doesn't mean she doesn't have a prescription or something that caused her to fail the drug test. Things like Adderall will cause you to fail a drug test because its essentially prescription meth, and anyone can get a px for it if you say the right things.
    You're right about jumping to conclusions, but I'll add, with all due respect, do you know the full circumference of evidence they do/do not have? I assume you only know what we know (ie what the police/government are willing to release about this).

    About the drugs, police/media could be misrepresenting, yes. There also could be plenty of police hold-back info that we are not getting. Maybe the camgirl saw her using repeatedly, it surpassed certain standards of illegality according to the witness, and they are not making that public either? Who knows?

    The camming legality is clearly stated law, so there's that. Like others said, she's in trouble possibly if they pursue that part.

    What you said before is true ~ she drew attention to herself.

    When you draw attention to yourself, you increase the odds of trouble. I know that's an unpopular opinion, after all we make our living drawing attention to ourselves.

    Her private consumption/non-consumption really is not my business, fair enough. Sadly most people don't see it this way. They say "Where there's smoke..."
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    Unfortunately what's done is done and she can't take it back. Do I believe she made a mistake by camming in a country that expressly forbids it? Sure. Were the drugs a mistake? Heck yeah, and I think that's really what's going to do her in. I don't know what she's actually being charged with but it's my understanding that producing pornography in Thailand is punishable by up to three years in prison. The drugs, well, possible life sentence depending on how they want to prosecute it, but I'll leave that part out because this is *camming* connection.

    I absolutely think one should have to suffer the consequences of breaking the law, especially when you knowingly and repeatedly break the law. The thing that gets me is that if she was camming where I am, the laws are so vague that the most that would probably happen would be an eviction for breaking her apartment's lease. Can't really compare that to spending hard time in a foreign prison. So while I do think that some type of punishment would be appropriate, it does seem rather harsh that she's possibly facing an obscene sentence.

    ETA: I'm moving out of the States at the end of this year and as I mentioned upthread, the country I'm going to does not outlaw prostitution. Which, I don't at all think that camming is prostitution but it goes to show how lax the government is on sex work in general. On craigslist earlier today I just saw a job ad in my new city for a female office worker who would be, well, "You will be helping out with office tasks and working in the nude. You will also give the men working there handjobs when needed, and also blowjobs if requested." It's kind of disturbing to me how in some parts of the world that kind of work is completely advertised and acceptable, and this cam model is facing a loooooong prison term for doing something which I believe is a far more minor thing. Scary how some places are so puritanical, but I guess you've just got to be grateful that there are also places in this world where you can work safely in your home without fear of criminal prosecution.
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    Okay I wrote more but my internet keeps fucking up.

    Okay, and in addition, why is everyone claiming shes actually doing all these illegal things? Yes, the Thai officials are going to try to charge her with various things, but that doesn't mean she can't fight back. Its all going to depend exactly on how the law reads. Its going to also depend on how it translates. She does have a good case for actually getting off the hook completely, but its going to depend on several things we don't know the answer to.

    The biggest thing against her is going to be her running a Thai studio of girls. But if she's convicted for that, MFC would be held equally liable. Of course the Thai government is going to go after her personally for this, and also MFC personally as the article SarahTime posted above states. But if Thai officials can't convict MFC of anything, they probably can't convict the cam girl in question of anything either. The Thai girls she got to cam are independent contractors, NOT employees. Not only that, but they are independent contractor to MFC, and NOT the actual cam girl running the studio. I guarantee you Thai officials do not know how that shit works. The IRS doesn't even know yet lol, which is why studios aren't forced to issue 1099s yet. The Thai officials probably think the Thai cam girls are employees, therefore making this business illegal because they think its based in Thailand, but its not. Said cam girls business is actually based in Austria (her business) via the U.S. (MFC). Therefore the Thai cam girls are of free will, and the ones that will be held liable for their actions. This cam girl physically has an address in Austria. She rented her property in Thailand, she could argue that it was a vacation residence (because she did travel a lot).

    Not only does she have an Austrian address, but that is where her citizenship is. She also has a physical company in Austria. I'm assuming, because her company is located there, she pays taxes there. She certainly doesn't pay them to Thailand because there's no need to as she is not a citizen there. There are lots of loopholes if you think about it, in her favor. It just is going to depend on the physical evidence (photo, video) that was collected against her by the cam girl who was a decoy sent by the police for 2 months.


    So what I'm trying to say is, if she was not on meth, argues that the drugs were not hers, states that her Thai cam girls are actually "consenting independent contractors" (MFC makes you sign a contract, remember?), and pays her taxes legally in the country of Austria, she has a good case for not being charged with anything. Just deported and thats it. However, like I said, it all depends on things we do not know the answer to, and will probably never know the answer to until the case has gone to trial. She does have a heavy backing of wealthy fans, so even though all her assets were frozen, she could still probably hire a good attorney who knows what he/she is doing.

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    Look, I understand this all hits too close to home for many people.

    Sometimes we are thinking out loud when we post here. It's a thought process on a complicated issue, and my comments don't always come out with laser-beam accuracy.

    I still value everyone's opinion and think this is an interesting discussion.

    Just wanted to add that.
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    Her MFC profile is no longer opening from links, it just goes to the homepage :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by GlamourRouge View Post

    Okay, and in addition, why is everyone claiming shes actually doing all these illegal things? Yes, the Thai officials are going to try to charge her with various things, but that doesn't mean she can't fight back. Its all going to depend exactly on how the law reads. Its going to also depend on how it translates. She does have a good case for actually getting off the hook completely, but its going to depend on several things we don't know the answer to.

    The biggest thing against her is going to be her running a Thai studio of girls. But if she's convicted for that, MFC would be held equally liable. Of course the Thai government is going to go after her personally for this, and also MFC personally as the article SarahTime posted above states. But if Thai officials can't convict MFC of anything, they probably can't convict the cam girl in question of anything either. The Thai girls she got to cam are independent contractors, NOT employees. Not only that, but they are independent contractor to MFC, and NOT the actual cam girl running the studio...
    I'm saying she did something illegal because according to the law in Thailand, it is illegal to transmit pornography on the internet. And she transmitted what can potentially be defined as pornography every time she did a show and flashed on MFC. Unfortunately, I don't think she has a case for getting off the hook completely because even if you only look at the issue of her camming as an individual, forget the studio and the drugs, just by flashing her breasts on MFC she was breaking Thai law. http://www.thaipulse.com/cautions/la...and-indecency/

    Even if you ignore the crimes of her allegedly hiring Thai workers to engage in pornography with her, and the drugs, there's proof all over the place that she's been getting naked online for quite some time while in Thailand. And in Thailand that is punishible with jail time. If she has a great lawyer and can somehow afford exceptional representation she'll be deported if she's lucky, but when you add together all of the allegations against her it's likely that the legal system is going to try very hard to have her incarcerated and make an example out of her. Perhaps if this hadn't been broadcasted on the news there would have still been a chance to pay off the right officials to allow her to keep camming, but now that it's public they're going to feel that they *have* to continue with prosecuting her.

    I'm really curious to see how this is going to pan out with the Thai government going after MFC. According to Thai law the site is responsible for what its users to, but since MFC isn't under Thai jurisdiction it'll be interesting to see how far each side is willing to go. Even if they can't prosecute MFC they can most certainly prosecute the girl for running a studio- because she was doing it all on Thai soil and therefore subject to their laws. It doesn't matter whether the Thai cam girls she got were employees or independent contractors, she was still encouraging them to transmit porn and profiting from it financially. Even in the lax country I'm moving to pimping is illegal.

    Personally, in my opinion it would be morally wrong to throw the girl in jail for camming. Deport her, fine, but jail time seems incredibly harsh. But, legally, jail time is a very real possibility.

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    Her profile was removed by MFC after her arrest.

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    Yes, it's human nature to view things from the paradigm we know. For example, I'm an American who for most of my life has been surrounded by Americans who are proud of their "rights"... Great, not knockin' it, but it's inconceivable to many people who have not lived abroad that your "rights" are fair game depending on where you are in the world.

    I really don't want to see these people suffer in a Thai jail. I really don't.

    I'm going to get jumped on for saying this, but it *looks* like a slam dunk for the police. Emphasis on the word *looks* - right? The spectacle is a lot of the game. The public shaming, etc.

    Like I stated in a previous post, no one here knows the whole story. I want to say more because I've lived there and seen what can happen. But.....I won't.

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    This is so sad.. She is a really sweet girl and bad things shouldn't happen to such people :/ .. I really hope everything will turn out oke for her..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Via Flaminia View Post
    I'm going to get jumped on for saying this, but it *looks* like a slam dunk for the police. Emphasis on the word *looks* - right? The spectacle is a lot of the game. The public shaming, etc.

    Like I stated in a previous post, no one here knows the whole story. I want to say more because I've lived there and seen what can happen. But.....I won't.
    Agreed completely, definitely wouldn't jump on you for saying it. It doesn't mean you agree with it, it's just looking at the situation objectively given what has been reported in the news. Now I am curious about what can happen. I don't know, this whole situation is so sadly fascinating to me, I guess because I'm also a cam model who just wants to make a living without hurting anybody. I don't know the model but I want to root for her because I don't think what she did was morally wrong. Well, except the meth part, of course.

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    Let me just say how happy I am for the "no outing" rule here on SW. You don't realize how much drama and bullshit that rule actually prevents until you see that shit in practice on other camming forums. Not pretty.
    This.

    If a fellow cam girl who I post on the same forum(s) with ended up locked up and facing harsh penalties, the last thing I'd be doing is laughing and joking about it. And what kills me is that I've seen people from elsewhere talk shit about THIS forum, but for the most part the people on this forum are supportive and caring. And we don't have a bunch of trolls signing up left and right to put models on blast.
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    That's how I feel BrownFox. I don't know her or care for some of the things she has said, but have followed her progress over the couple of years I've been camming, and I feel for her now that she's going through this. Doesn't matter what she's done that people don't like, it just matters that she's not badly treated while in custody, and that her babies are safe and cared for. And of course her associates who were also arrested (people seem to be forgetting them)
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    We can't name names on here, which means I can't post a link to the blog I got this from, but it's the blog of a sweetheart fellow cam girl that I respect. This is what it says:

    Just got word that *model's name* was allowed out today to take care of the babies but still has to pay bail. The other two arrested are still in jail. There were no drug charges. Tomorrow she should know more about whats happening.

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    Oh that's such good news thanks for the update x
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