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    Instead of charging house fees at the beginning or end of a shift, why don't clubs charge house fees by the hour. Let's say on a busy Saturday night a club will charge $20.00/hr for a dancer to work there. If a girl wants to come early and leave early, the house fee would be $30.00 for three hours.

    I know some dancers are capable of making $200.00 per hour while others might only make $20. But isn't that just economics?

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    If you work at a club that takes a cut of your lap dance and champagne room earnings you basically are paying the club per hour. Believe me the clubs are greedy enough. About 20% of my overall profit goes to the club. If they tried charging an hourly house fee I would go elsewhere.

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    Lol, what she said. The house fee is the least of what a dancer gives to the club on an average night. Dance and VIP fees can easily be hundreds of dollars on a busy night.
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    because it is actually in the clubs best interest for girls to stay longer. so clubs actually do the opposite of what you propose-the house fee is cheaper the earlier you show up and there are possible fees for leaving early or requirements to stay till close.

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    I don't think this would be a good idea. Plus, $20 an hour seems high. A pretty standard shift for a dancer is about seven hours so that'd be a $140 tipout. There's only one club in my state that I know of who has a tip-out higher than that (and that's including house fee + DJ + housemom).

    Never-the-less, if I had to tipout by the hour I'd feel more pressure as each hour goes by if it's a slow night. Also, I don't think this would be an efficient or fair way of managing tipout: a girl who is working for seven hours and in turn helping the club and working harder (for longer) would end up tipping out way more than a girl who came in just to see a regular, stayed for only a couple hours, and got to leave after that. This is why it's fair that every dancer pays the same amount, assuming you're at a club with a flat-rate tipout; if you're at a club with a champagne room or where a percentage of each dance is tipped out, that's different. At most of the clubs I've worked at there are late fees and early out fees.
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    that would be 200 a shift for me! are you fuckn crazy??

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlotte. View Post
    because it is actually in the clubs best interest for girls to stay longer. so clubs actually do the opposite of what you propose-the house fee is cheaper the earlier you show up and there are possible fees for leaving early or requirements to stay till close.
    It's actually also in the dancers best interest to stay longer since it means more $$$. Having a low house fee the earlier you show up gets girls in longer because they come in before the guaranteed money time (the golden hour before the club closes) to both save money and have the opportunity to make more. By charging only per hour, most girls would probably say fuck it and only come in for the end of the night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joyluckstripclub View Post
    Instead of charging house fees at the beginning or end of a shift, why don't clubs charge house fees by the hour. Let's say on a busy Saturday night a club will charge $20.00/hr for a dancer to work there. If a girl wants to come early and leave early, the house fee would be $30.00 for three hours.

    I know some dancers are capable of making $200.00 per hour while others might only make $20. But isn't that just economics?


    Take your ECON course again, pal.




    • First of all... let's make sure you understand what you are proposing:


      "Let's say on a busy Saturday night a club will charge $20.00/hr for a dancer to work there. If a girl wants to come early and leave early, the house fee would be $30.00 for three hours."


      If a club charges a $20-per-hour house fee... and a girl works 3 hours... she should owe $60.

      No? You say she owes $30... ($30 for 3 hours ends up costing $10 per hour of work)

      Why is that? What is the point of the 50% discount?




    • Whom does this proposed fee schedule benefit?
      Clubs? Not really. Dancers? Not really. Customers? Nope!

      How does it benefit anyone.... I mean.... apart from creeps like you?


      Your proposal makes financial sense... for creeps.

      It is a great opportunity to incentivize that dancers leave the club early... presumably to spend time with.... creeps... like you.





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    Default Re: Why don't Strip Clubs charge house fees by the hour.

    To the rude poster, I meant $60.00 for three hours. If you can not make $20 in one hour on a busy Saturday night then you should not be dancing. All you do is drive guys away who otherwise would spend money on dancers they want. The club is there as a business enterprise, not to support you.
    Beyond that, the $20/hr is for everything. No bullshit Dj or manager tip outs. The club should pay for those. What you make you should keep. But you do have to pay something.

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    There is no way anyone would actually do a schedule working with this model. The manager would have to run around filling hour slots. Without a strict schedule the club would go without girls when they need them and when things are slow girls would leave. We can daydream about better club management but the tried and true method is what is working now and will probably work for years to come.

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    Disagree. A club with good earners will draw more customers. If clubs don't change their business model then there will be one of these three options:
    1. Reduced club hours. Club opens around 7:00 or 8:00pm. No more day shifts and certainly fewer whales who prefer or are restricted to day shift.

    2. More extras club.
    3.fewer higher end clubs with much, much, higher club fees.

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    Out of curiosity, how exactly are you involved in this industry? I'm just wondering what experiences you are drawing on to come to these conclusions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shanna dior View Post
    Out of curiosity, how exactly are you involved in this industry? I'm just wondering what experiences you are drawing on to come to these conclusions.
    Oh, Im just a little oil' customer with a background in business analytical.

    strip clubs aren't different from any other business from a product point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joyluckstripclub View Post
    The club is there as a business enterprise, not to support you.
    ..... But you do have to pay something.
    ok, the club is not there so support me? huh? if its not there so i can make money to support myself, why would i work there? that made no sense. we bring the club in their money, without us its a bar ( if that). and unless its vegas, with fees that high you will not have any girls working there.
    as for " but you do have to pay something" yes, and we pay enough!! especially considering its technically illegal. and as others have stated, you will only have girls who are willing to work a few hours at the busiest times, and on the busiest days, no more. but why don't you give it a go, and tell us all how it works out for ya champ
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    Quote Originally Posted by joyluckstripclub View Post
    strip clubs aren't different from any other business from a product point of view.
    While true in theory, they certainly don't run that way. Despite your background in business analytics, you really don't have a solid grasp of how strip clubs work because they don't operate in a traditional way that you would be used to given your background.

    Case in point: you think that if clubs continue running as they do now, they will either (a) have reduced hours; (b) be full with extras; or (c) be dives with high fees. Yet, clubs have been running like this for decades and while there are certainly some clubs that would fall under one of your predicted outcomes, by and large, the business model works. An hourly house fee simply will not, if only because, as exhibited here, the dancers wouldn't go for it. A set house fee or a cut of dancer earnings works; I'm just confused as to why you're so gung-ho that these models simply MUST change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joyluckstripclub View Post
    If you can not make $20 in one hour on a busy Saturday night then you should not be dancing.

    Yes! Completely, this x100! Because my goal *every* busy Saturday night is to break even.

    No bullshit Dj or manager tip outs. The club should pay for those. What you make you should keep. But you do have to pay something.
    Wait... So which is it? Should we pay, or not pay? I'm confused. Could you please explain the industry I've worked in for five years to me just a little bit better?


    Let me just put it this way...

    I usually work for 8-10 hours. That would be $160-$200 to the club!! Right now, I pay $22-$32 upfront to work (my club does have fees on the lower end of things), depending on what time I arrive for my shift, regardless of whether it's a Saturday or a Wednesday. An additional ~$45-$70 goes towards my tip out, more if I make more. I like being in control of my tip-out, because I can base my tips on a percentage of my income. I wouldn't like it if the club just charged me more to work, and "took care" of the tips. Like... At all.

    Also, let me explain how shifts work at a strip club.

    Most girls who work night shift, work until close. To leave early, you usually need to ask, because your house fee covers a set SHIFT rather than an hourly rate. There are several interactions a girl may need to have before she leaves, if she's leaving before the club closes:
    1. Collect any money that was accrued from credit card transactions. Either from the manager, bar, VIP host, etc., ALL of whom have other duties they are likely attending to on a "busy Saturday night."
    2. Show proof of fees payment to manager, usually by getting a slip from the door girl/house mom/whatever. Sometimes this is taken care of at the beginning of shift, but if you're paying hourly, the only way to do it would be at the end.
    3. Ask the manager if they can leave.
    4. Have a bouncer LEAVE the club to walk you out.
    5. If you valeted your car, you must have the valet take care of that, too.

    Now smart girls & good hustlers would come in, work 2-3 hours with a regular in VIP, and then leave, to maximize the system that you propose, so that they're "only" spending $60 instead of $200. Girls who are having a bad night would want to leave ASAP, so that they don't lose any more money. Girls who struck gold with a random customer would want to do the same, so they don't get that money taken away from them for working an extra few hours.

    Say you have 50 girls on shift at 11:00 PM. You have girls pestering everybody, trying to go home every 15 minutes with this system. The manager, bouncers, bar tenders, and hostesses are being constantly interrupted by girls wanting to go home NOW before another hour hits. Then, suddenly it's 1:00 AM and you only have 5 girls left working.

    Do you see why this system is kind of silly, now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by joyluckstripclub View Post
    Disagree. A club with good earners will draw more customers. If clubs don't change their business model then there will be one of these three options:
    1. Reduced club hours. Club opens around 7:00 or 8:00pm. No more day shifts and certainly fewer whales who prefer or are restricted to day shift.

    2. More extras club.
    3.fewer higher end clubs with much, much, higher club fees.


    joyluckstripclub, YOU. KNOW. NOTHING. ABOUT. STRIP. CLUBS.


    "A club with good earners will draw more customers."

    - Customers don't exactly love parting with their money. So I don't see the appeal of this angle.
    - "Good Earners" means what exactly. We earn for ourselves, not for the club.


    "If clubs don't change their business model then there will be one of these three options: 1. Reduced club hours and certainly fewer whales 2. More extras club. 3. fewer higher end clubs with much higher club fees."

    - What is your problem? Why are you so damn keen on armageddon-like scenarios for clubs and dancers?
    - Who are you to speak on behalf of clubs or dancers? You're so off base that it's comical.


    I swear... you MUST be playing a very early April Fools' joke.....


    Strip clubs are nowhere near perfect but your predictions (Your future WILL be one of these 3 Scenarios! Muahahahah!) are uninformed.




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    Quote Originally Posted by shanna dior View Post
    While true in theory, they certainly don't run that way. Despite your background in business analytics, you really don't have a solid grasp of how strip clubs work because they don't operate in a traditional way that you would be used to given your background.

    Case in point: you think that if clubs continue running as they do now, they will either (a) have reduced hours; (b) be full with extras; or (c) be dives with high fees. Yet, clubs have been running like this for decades and while there are certainly some clubs that would fall under one of your predicted outcomes, by and large, the business model works. An hourly house fee simply will not, if only because, as exhibited here, the dancers wouldn't go for it. A set house fee or a cut of dancer earnings works; I'm just confused as to why you're so gung-ho that these models simply MUST change.
    i am not mandating that the must change. That's not analytical. Analytical predicts the probability of how it will change.

    We live in a data driven, return on investment world. You want to see how drastically an industry can change thn look no further than the modern Las Vegas.

    Rather than thinking how a per/hour deal will hamper you, you should think about how to make it advantageous. Even, if it isn't club policy now, you might want to think about it just for yourself

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    Quote Originally Posted by joyluckstripclub View Post
    To the rude poster, I meant $60.00 for three hours. If you can not make $20 in one hour on a busy Saturday night then you should not be dancing. All you do is drive guys away who otherwise would spend money on dancers they want. The club is there as a business enterprise, not to support you.
    Beyond that, the $20/hr is for everything. No bullshit Dj or manager tip outs. The club should pay for those. What you make you should keep. But you do have to pay something.

    "Should" is the most useless word in the English language.

    I agree, mandatory tips are a bitch... but seriously... you have not thought your plan through. Hourly fees, at $20 per hour, amount to a lot more money for most clubs.

    CUSTOMERS are the ones who pay by the hour in a strip club. Sorry to break the news but it's the truth.

    Dancers, more often than not, treat dancing like a job and we put in a lot of time in order to make serious bank.

    Again, you know nothing about strip clubs.
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    I could have never ever have stepped in a Strip club before and yet still look the buisness model and trends and make the same conclusions. Really what you do is provides service. You are engaged in a business to business contract. Ida club is in the position they put the squeeze on you the same way that Apple or Dell squeezed Foxconn. But if you notice, Foxconn now squeezes them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by joyluckstripclub View Post
    To the rude poster, I meant $60.00 for three hours.

    The club is there as a business enterprise, not to support you.

    All you do is drive guys away who otherwise would spend money on dancers they want.
    You can prattle on about the basics of "economics" but you can't do basic multiplication.

    Strippers and customers support the club. Almost no clubs pay strippers, we pay the club, you pay the club, and you pay us. Get it now?

    I'm sorry you're so butthurt.

    I don't drive guys away, I drive guys wild!

    And if YOU "otherwise would spend money on dancers you want", be my guest... why are you whining about posts on a message board? Do you need someone to drive you? Do you need me to call Whine-One-One and get you a Waaaaaa-mbulance?


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    Quote Originally Posted by joyluckstripclub View Post
    I could have never ever have stepped in a Strip club before and yet still look the buisness model and trends and make the same conclusions. Really what you do is provides service. You are engaged in a business to business contract. Ida club is in the position they put the squeeze on you the same way that Apple or Dell squeezed Foxconn. But if you notice, Foxconn now squeezes them.
    And no one is squeezing you! So you are the loser...
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    Quote Originally Posted by joyluckstripclub View Post
    I could have never ever have stepped in a Strip club before and yet still look the buisness model and trends and make the same conclusions. Really what you do is provides service. You are engaged in a business to business contract. Ida club is in the position they put the squeeze on you the same way that Apple or Dell squeezed Foxconn. But if you notice, Foxconn now squeezes them.
    How old are you?

    This statement makes you sound like an undergraduate/graduate student with very little real world experience in applying your theories.

    The business model and trends exist due to the political and social environment of a strip club. The industry is extremely different than any other industry, as is the business model, and there is a reason for this.

    I'm curious as to why you're responding to everyone else's posts, but not mine? More goes into a business model than numbers. Your structure wouldn't work because it would trickle down into the way things are currently operated, and turn it on its head. Making dancers pay more isn't going to DRIVE OUT the extras. If anything, it's going to invite them in!!! How can you not see this?

    How do VIP pay outs work in your business model? Does the club get a cut? What about champagne sales? Do dancers get a cut of those?

    It's very naive to believe you can apply your business model to an industry you have very little experience with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    You can prattle on about the basics of "economics" but you can't do basic multiplication.

    Strippers and customers support the club. Almost no clubs pay strippers, we pay the club, you pay the club, and you pay us. Get it now?

    I'm sorry you're so butthurt.

    I don't drive guys away, I drive guys wild!

    And if YOU "otherwise would spend money on dancers you want", be my guest... why are you whining about posts on a message board? Do you need someone to drive you? Do you need me to call Whine-One-One and get you a Waaaaaa-mbulance?


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    i am not mandating that the must change. That's not analytical. Analytical predicts the probability of how it will change.

    We live in a data driven, return on investment world. You want to see how drastically an industry can change thn look no further than the modern Las Vegas.

    Rather than thinking how a per/hour deal will hamper you, you should think about how to make it advantageous. Even, if it isn't club policy now, you might want to think about it just for yourself
    Don't tell me how to think.
    Don't tell me what to think.

    Don't tell me what I "should" do, either.

    Nothing you mentioned has any substance to it.

    " Data-driven blah blah blah. Make it advantageous blah blah for you...blah blah..."--- The truth of the matter is that you haven't a foggy clue what you're talking about. You sound like a sleazy pimp... even if you don't mean to.

    Sorry if that turns you off, baby.
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