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    Default How to big $ rooms and not bust your butt dancing.

    I'm having a hard time selling the 30minute+ rooms at my new club. I hear about girls selling them and just eating or guys buying the room for a girl to nap in ( by herself). Or even those guys who just sit and chat with drinks. I have never come across a customer who doesn't expect me to dance the full 30minutes.... Ugh how do you sell these and how do you not dance the entire time?

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    you have to be proactive. order lots of drinks, and every few minutes tell him "drink time!" and hand him his glass as you reach for yours. you have to start talking and even if he is only interested in dancing initially, if you have decent conversational skills he will enjoy talking to you.

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    Yeah, try to break it up..dance some then stop & say something like it just occurred to you. Charlotte is right that ypu have to be assertive. Cuddle a bit. Give him compliments. If the guy is wearing those button up collared shirts ill get them to take it off & pose for him in it. Try to be creative. Dancing for 30 straight sucks.

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    Default Re: How to big $ rooms and not bust your butt dancing.

    How are you selling the rooms? There must be reason that the clients you dance for all seem to expect 30 minutes straight of dancing, while other girls are able to spend the time chatting or whatever else. As other posters point out, you do have to be assertive and proactive in setting the tone for the VIP, but that starts with the hustle.

    Instead of promoting the VIP as a great deal for dances (and thus laying the expectation that it's all dances), you need to promote it as a private space to enjoy each others intimate company, or an uninterrupted block of time for sensual fun, or whatever is your style. Then, once you're back there, don't just rush into dancing. Take it slow by engaging in conversation while sitting in their lap and playing with their hair or running your hand over their arm - small, sensual things. Dance a bit too to so you can read what the customer is looking for and then lead the room accordingly, but still without dancing for 30 minutes straight.

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    ^Exactly what Shanna said! When I'm selling rooms, I sell them on drink service, intimacy, "spending time with me", throw in that I give amazing back rubs, THEN I'll say "And of course, I'm topless the entire time, and we can start dancing whenever your ready."

    Usually the waitress will come to our room right after we sit down, we'll order drinks, and while we're waiting for the drinks, we'll chat. Drinks come, we cheers, I'll dance for a couple of songs, go back to the drinks, conversation, dirty talk, offer back rub, offer to receive back rub (hehe).

    As the time is winding down, you should be able to feel out the customer and know what he's looking for, based on how he's responded to all of the above scenarios. If he wants to talk about himself, you steer the conversation that way. If he wants to hear about your teenage sexcapades (weird, but there are lots of guys who are into this...) then you paint the portrait of the naughty school girl. If he wants you to dance, you turn up the volume and give him a hot, steamy lapdance. If he's excitedly going all philosophical on your ass, you geer up to get into a passionate debate about the potential implications that the biotech industry could have on society, so that when your VIP hostess comes to say "You're time's almost up..." You're currently in the middle of doing exactly what he wants, and gosh darn it! We'd better get another half an hour...


    As for finding a guy to buy you a room to nap in... I wouldn't START with that pitch. LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shanna dior View Post
    How are you selling the rooms? There must be reason that the clients you dance for all seem to expect 30 minutes straight of dancing, while other girls are able to spend the time chatting or whatever else. As other posters point out, you do have to be assertive and proactive in setting the tone for the VIP, but that starts with the hustle.

    Instead of promoting the VIP as a great deal for dances (and thus laying the expectation that it's all dances), you need to promote it as a private space to enjoy each others intimate company, or an uninterrupted block of time for sensual fun, or whatever is your style. Then, once you're back there, don't just rush into dancing. Take it slow by engaging in conversation while sitting in their lap and playing with their hair or running your hand over their arm - small, sensual things. Dance a bit too to so you can read what the customer is looking for and then lead the room accordingly, but still without dancing for 30 minutes straight.
    honestly, I always sell rooms by saying that its a better deal on dances and the contact is much higher and then I still do what I said before...nobody complains because you are having so much fun with them and nobody wants to ruin the mood of a hot party girl.

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    Default Re: How to big $ rooms and not bust your butt dancing.

    i just don't bust my ass dancing in there. i sit down, have a drink with them while i give them a super ssslllooowww strip tease, then sit on their laps and talk while i maybe slowly girate around if they look bored or ask them to give me a massage or vice versa..most of them are more than willing to oblige, and honestly i couldn't dance that long with as much energy as i put into my normal dances. i concentrate more on mental seduction in there, being very slow and sensual, and acting more intimate ( not sexually intimate, but emotionally).
    but then i don't go in there with guys who wanna bust a nut real quick, screw that. like shana said, you gotta advertise it differently

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlotte. View Post
    honestly, I always sell rooms by saying that its a better deal on dances and the contact is much higher and then I still do what I said before...nobody complains because you are having so much fun with them and nobody wants to ruin the mood of a hot party girl.
    That's totally true with some customers, but the OP doesn't seem to be landing them, so it's still worth switching up her spiel if she's promoting the VIP as a deal on dances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlotte. View Post
    honestly, I always sell rooms by saying that its a better deal on dances and the contact is much higher and then I still do what I said before...nobody complains because you are having so much fun with them and nobody wants to ruin the mood of a hot party girl.
    I'm always a little weary to say contact is "higher"... Then we get back there, and suddenly I'm spending my half hour sweetly chastising Mr. Octopus, tactfully dodging tentacles and counting down the minutes, praying he won't want to extend. Of course, everyone's different, and every club is different, but the contact sell has never ended well for me.

    VIP selling should be about the experience. Dances are fun at first, but I can't recall one time that I've had a customer want to extend a VIP suite after 30 minutes of straight dancing (and I have done rooms where this was expected!). The goal in VIP is to make your customer feel like he's the luckiest guy in the club because he's getting the best experience. When I'm in VIP I'm not trying to keep the guy from complaining... I'm trying to give him the best time possible so he'll extend! If I thought dancing for 30 minutes straight would make him extend to an hour, then honestly I'd probably do it. That's just not usually what will keep a guy in the back, for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shanna dior View Post
    That's totally true with some customers, but the OP doesn't seem to be landing them, so it's still worth switching up her spiel if she's promoting the VIP as a deal on dances.
    i understand what you are saying, but what i am saying is that you are always in charge of whats going on during your cr and i am able to do this every single time with every single customer, not just "some" of them.

    a deal on dances w/higher contact is a much faster, easier sell than what others are suggesting so if she is having a problem getting the room in the first place, she shouldnt make things harder for herself by going for the harder sale. you can ALWAYS change the customer later and you ALWAYS have control over your room. it is YOUR room, not theirs.

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    Honestly if the guy wants me to dance the whole time I will. This will increase the chance that he'll come back for you. He's paying you a considerable amount of money and most of us will never find another job in our lives where we'll be getting that much so make him happy ESPECIALLY if he's not some dirtbag looking for extras. Put in the extra effort and he'll be bubbling like champagne make it a CR he won't forget.
    I'm always looking for feedback about myself and other dancers so I can step up my game so if a customer I recognize goes into the champagne I'll ask him how she was and they usually either say good or "she just sat there and talked." Another thing is that most dancers will want to exchange numbers after a CR. don't do this unless he asks and be coy. Make him work for it a little or give him an email address. A little mystique goes a long way. If he comes back then boom! You've got a regular and can probably get away with a lazier CR performance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlotte. View Post
    a deal on dances w/higher contact is a much faster, easier sell than what others are suggesting so if she is having a problem getting the room in the first place, she shouldnt make things harder for herself by going for the harder sale.
    The OP said she was having a hard time selling rooms where she didn't have to dance the entire time, so the easier sell clearly isn't working for her in the way it is for you. In her club with its clientele, it enforces the expectation that the entire time will be spent dancing, which she doesn't want to be doing.

    It's true that she's in charge of the room, but (sadly) the customer is in charge of his wallet, and not all clubs are busy enough to let dancers ditch a customer who wants what he was told he'd get when he paid and find another to make money off of.

    Maybe you could share what you do in your VIPs after using the easier sell? Like, how do you go from saying that VIP is a great deal on dances and the dancers are higher contact, to not spending the majority of the time dancing? That would probably be really helpful since you have so much success selling VIP as a deal on dances without having to actually deliver on the dances like the OP finds herself having to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shanna dior View Post
    The OP said she was having a hard time selling rooms where she didn't have to dance the entire time, so the easier sell clearly isn't working for her in the way it is for you. In her club with its clientele, it enforces the expectation that the entire time will be spent dancing, which she doesn't want to be doing.

    It's true that she's in charge of the room, but (sadly) the customer is in charge of his wallet, and not all clubs are busy enough to let dancers ditch a customer who wants what he was told he'd get when he paid and find another to make money off of.

    Maybe you could share what you do in your VIPs after using the easier sell? Like, how do you go from saying that VIP is a great deal on dances and the dancers are higher contact, to not spending the majority of the time dancing? That would probably be really helpful since you have so much success selling VIP as a deal on dances without having to actually deliver on the dances like the OP finds herself having to.
    I already did...my first response in this thread. one thing that ill clarify is that it helps to tell the waitress/host when exactly to come back in to refill drinks, although it isnt necessary. when I am at a nude club that doesnt serve alcohol I still sell the rooms the same way and I still am able to distract them throughout the hour by talking to them so I dont have to dance the entire time or allow heavy contact. all you need is basic conversational skills and im sure everyone here has them. you just need to be brave enough to essentially interrupt your own dancing. ive never had a customer tell me to shut up and keep dancing and they always enjoy themselves more anyway because dancing with no conversation is boring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlotte. View Post
    it helps to tell the waitress/host when exactly to come back in to refill drinks, although it isnt necessary.
    This is so true. I get frustrated with bad VIP waitresses. Do your job in helping me upsell/extend rooms and we both make more money! My customer bought a bottle in VIP last week (bottles are optional for one of our VIP areas), and the waitress goes: "And you can take it with you to your table when your half hour is up." I could've smacked her! I'm like, girl, the reason I helped you sell the damn bottle is so it would be one more factor in extending my own sale! Don't tell him that until he's absolutely ready to leave! /rant.

    As for the sell on dances... For whatever reason, the sell I mentioned earlier is way easier for me. When I try to sell customers on dance deals alone, it usually doesn't work! They'll just ask "Well how much is just one dance?" The one exception is when I'm already doing a lapdance for them, and then I usually use the same lines as the first song is ending. "Have you seen our rooms yet?" ...if he says "Yes," "Oh, did you have a good time back there when you went?" with a coy smile, then he'll say "Yes," and I'll say, "And you haven't even experienced it with me yet... Why don't we go talk to [VIP hostess's name] and see if she can help us have a little more fun?" etc etc. If he's never been back there, something similar that gets him to say yes a couple of times without asking him directly to go back. Those customers tend to expect more dancing, because I was dancing when I asked them to go back.

    IDK though, every club demands a different sell, and every customer is different in terms of what appeals to them and what their expectations are. I like my current club because they have good VIP hostesses that are trained to sell rooms for us, essentially. So all we have to do is get the guy back there, and the hostess will take it from there. They get a $15 cut from every half hour, so it is absolutely in their best interest to sell as much time as possible. The waitresses, on the other hand...
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    Default Re: How to big $ rooms and not bust your butt dancing.

    I'm not exactly looking to get a nap just saying I feel like the worst sales person if girls are able to sell rooms to sleep.... I'm great at selling a room via telling them there's a bit more contact vs no contact... But I don't want to dance 30+ mins straight then having a good chance of them wanting to extend. I guess maybe its the clientele I draw. :/

    Thanks to everyone that has put in helpful advice!

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    Default Re: How to big $ rooms and not bust your butt dancing.

    I'm not exactly looking to get a nap just saying I feel like the worst sales person if girls are able to sell rooms to sleep.... I'm great at selling a room via telling them there's a bit more contact vs no contact... But I don't want to dance 30+ mins straight then having a good chance of them wanting to extend. I guess maybe its the clientele I draw. :/

    Thanks to everyone that has put in helpful advice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicole_oh View Post
    I'm not exactly looking to get a nap just saying I feel like the worst sales person if girls are able to sell rooms to sleep....
    I wouldn't let that discourage you at all! I'm sure the girls who have done this were able to get it out of regulars. I can't imagine just some random customer offering to buy them a room to nap in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicole_oh View Post
    I'm not exactly looking to get a nap just saying I feel like the worst sales person if girls are able to sell rooms to sleep.... I'm great at selling a room via telling them there's a bit more contact vs no contact... But I don't want to dance 30+ mins straight then having a good chance of them wanting to extend. I guess maybe its the clientele I draw. :/

    Thanks to everyone that has put in helpful advice!
    haha i used to be one of those girls. my reg would get a half hour-hour champagne and let me curl up next to him and snooze! he was so infatuated though i could get him to do just about anything, that takes a dedicated regular. and later i learned that while he liked helping me out, he would have bought a lot more if i had stayed awake and danced for him or at least talked! i think it was a bit rude of me to do that..

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    I did it! Sold a room last night with a sweet older man we drank, danced, talked, danced, drank, danced lol soooo much better than 30minutes of straight dancing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicole_oh View Post
    I did it! Sold a room last night with a sweet older man we drank, danced, talked, danced, drank, danced lol soooo much better than 30minutes of straight dancing.
    Congratulations! What worked for you?

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    We sat drinking at the bar for a bit & I discovered what he talked about most, his kids so I asked if he wanted to go talk somewhere quieter where girls weren't bugging him & it wouldnt be awkward to talk about such person stuff so we went back.

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