Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast
Results 1 to 25 of 82

Thread: Victoria's Secret "Targeting" Young Girls

  1. #1
    God/dess Selina M's Avatar
    Joined
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Omicron Persei 8
    Posts
    4,508
    Thanks
    12,529
    Thanked 13,934 Times in 3,720 Posts

    Default Victoria's Secret "Targeting" Young Girls

    What do y'all think of this?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...style&ir=Style

    And then there's the quote that was apparently taken out of context:

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/sexua...riassecret.asp

    My friend worked at VS for some time, and he says Pink is targeted at college age, trickling down to high school kids at the youngest, and thinks it's being blown out of proportion.
    I don't believe they're specifically targeting preteens (like, 11 and 12) any more than what happens with all little girls, where they want to be like big sister and want to wear her makeup and high heels. I think 90% of Pink is pretty harmless and just flirty, not explicitly sexual, but that's just my warped perspective... I am a bit more laidback about a lot of "controversial" issues...
    This crap has also been going on since I was a teenager 10 years ago; I remember in 8th grade, 2 of the "popular" girls bought VS thongs and gave them out to each other as Christmas gifts in the lunch room - the teachers' faces were priceless. But even that wasn't about being sexy as much as being "cool" in the locker room and fitting in; nobody was sleeping with anybody.

    I'm curious to hear thoughts from the stripper/cam girl community.
    "People jack off with the left hand and point with the right."

    "You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave."

  2. #2
    Banned
    Joined
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Aboard The Spaceship
    Posts
    4,787
    Thanks
    3,183
    Thanked 10,142 Times in 3,290 Posts
    My Mood
    Breezy

    Default Re: Victoria's Secret "Targeting" Young Girls

    Lingerie is about FEELING CONFIDENT & COMFORTABLE and in your own body. This is necessity at any age. IMO, it shouldn't matter who its marketed toward. Even pre-teens is fine. I mean are pre-teens supposed to wear scraps of ratty fabric as an alternative? Many pre-teens already have developed bodies. You can't ignore that. Ignoring it doesn't make it go away, it just makes it taboo... ...and we all know what happens to taboo things.

    Even then, I don't think they are purposely marketing to pre-teens. Lots of adults have pre-teen bodies. And lots of pre-teens have really developed bodies. Pink is a girly line. So anyone girly will like it. If that means pre-teens then ok. If that makes 45-year-old women then ok.

    And lastly, why does it even matter if they are UNDERGARMENTS that are not seen by anyone unless you show them?

    Such dumb logic.

  3. #3
    Banned
    Joined
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    11,037
    Thanks
    1,891
    Thanked 5,124 Times in 3,086 Posts

    Default Re: Victoria's Secret "Targeting" Young Girls

    Many years ago I was shopping with my soon to be sister in law and the other bridesmaids for the wedding only to see something that horrified me: a matching thong and bra set for little girls (we went into this section for the flower girls). I think it is a disgrace how sexuality is being marketed younger and younger, whether it's the trashy girl "singers" who dress sleazy to the "celebs" who only became popular because of sex tapes to everything else.

    I teach at the church and my assistant is a senior in high school and she talks about how her classmates all sleep around, dress sleazy and dance like hoochie mamas (her words). I am concerned about this but far more concerned by young girls being sexualized and it's a serious issue in this society. We can all say "it's just underwear" but wearing thongs is different than wearing full bottom underwear as a child.

  4. #4
    Banned
    Joined
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Aboard The Spaceship
    Posts
    4,787
    Thanks
    3,183
    Thanked 10,142 Times in 3,290 Posts
    My Mood
    Breezy

    Default Re: Victoria's Secret "Targeting" Young Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    We can all say "it's just underwear" but wearing thongs is different than wearing full bottom underwear as a child.
    Thongs serve a purpose. The purpose is to not have any panty lines when wearing pants because panty lines are distracting and highlight your ass. Someone would be more likely to stare at an ass if there are big giant visible panty lines compared to no visible panty lines. And if the girl isn't wearing tight pants, then it shouldn't matter what kind of underwear they wear because you won't be able to see it anyway.

    And IMO, I think full back panties are "sexier" than thongs, but that's just my opinion. Especially really nice ones like satin, silk, or lace. Its more like full on lingerie versus a little scrap of cotton fabric to prevent panty lines (aka a thong).

  5. #5
    Moderator unbeleavable's Avatar
    Joined
    Jan 2006
    Location
    Atl
    Posts
    3,429
    Thanks
    4,881
    Thanked 2,349 Times in 1,220 Posts

    Default Re: Victoria's Secret "Targeting" Young Girls

    I think most markets target younger buyers & I would have to have a discussion if I had a young daughter before I bought.

  6. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to unbeleavable For This Useful Post:


  7. #6
    Senior Member
    Joined
    Jan 2013
    Posts
    188
    Thanks
    1
    Thanked 76 Times in 56 Posts

    Default Re: Victoria's Secret "Targeting" Young Girls

    I was buying VS lingerie like everyone else at 14 years old..

  8. The Following User Says Thank You to Babybuns For This Useful Post:


  9. #7
    God/dess Selina M's Avatar
    Joined
    Jan 2013
    Location
    Omicron Persei 8
    Posts
    4,508
    Thanks
    12,529
    Thanked 13,934 Times in 3,720 Posts

    Default Re: Victoria's Secret "Targeting" Young Girls

    ^^ I agree... I wanted thongs just because there were no panty lines, and all the girls would make fun of each others panty lines. In retrospect, it was really stupid because it was the little line where the crotch is sewn to the back, underneath, that we were worried about... Who really can see that under jeans?!

    The whole thing strikes me as silly because it doesn't inherently make you a ho just because you have some words on the ass of your sweatpants. It doesn't mean they're trying to sexualize themselves, I bet half of them just think the clothes are cute and aren't even thinking about attracting boys.
    If your kid has good grades/hobbies/whatever and doesn't let boys take advantage of her and mess with her self-esteem, that's what would matter to me if I was a parent.
    "People jack off with the left hand and point with the right."

    "You can check out any time you like, but you can never leave."

  10. The Following User Says Thank You to Selina M For This Useful Post:


  11. #8
    God/dess simone87's Avatar
    Joined
    Feb 2012
    Location
    New England
    Posts
    5,171
    Thanks
    7,361
    Thanked 9,469 Times in 3,228 Posts
    My Mood
    Cheeky

    Default Re: Victoria's Secret "Targeting" Young Girls

    the pink line is quit innocuous and fairly innocent i think..people need to just leave things be! i feel women are always targeted whatever the age for ridicule..i just read an article about how awful it was that older women are dressing in the junior section and it wasn't "age appropriate". let them dress however the fuck they want!! if it your kid, your decision, your body as an adult, your decision. so sick of these articles ( not targeted at you selina M but at the people who write them)

  12. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to simone87 For This Useful Post:


  13. #9
    Banned
    Joined
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    11,037
    Thanks
    1,891
    Thanked 5,124 Times in 3,086 Posts

    Default Re: Victoria's Secret "Targeting" Young Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by GlamourRouge View Post
    Thongs serve a purpose. The purpose is to not have any panty lines when wearing pants because panty lines are distracting and highlight your ass. Someone would be more likely to stare at an ass if there are big giant visible panty lines compared to no visible panty lines. And if the girl isn't wearing tight pants, then it shouldn't matter what kind of underwear they wear because you won't be able to see it anyway.

    And IMO, I think full back panties are "sexier" than thongs, but that's just my opinion. Especially really nice ones like satin, silk, or lace. Its more like full on lingerie versus a little scrap of cotton fabric to prevent panty lines (aka a thong).
    But teen girls and younger shouldn't be wearing tight clothes or anything wear a pantyline would be showing anyway. I see some of what teen girls and younger wear and am horrified because they shouldn't be dressing sleazy at that age.

  14. #10
    Banned
    Joined
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Aboard The Spaceship
    Posts
    4,787
    Thanks
    3,183
    Thanked 10,142 Times in 3,290 Posts
    My Mood
    Breezy

    Default Re: Victoria's Secret "Targeting" Young Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    But teen girls and younger shouldn't be wearing tight clothes or anything wear a pantyline would be showing anyway. I see some of what teen girls and younger wear and am horrified because they shouldn't be dressing sleazy at that age.
    ...Yoga pants? Cardio fitness classes basically require tight pants or shorts.

    And its not sleezy. I have a friend who had DDDs and an hourglass shape around 100 lbs at age 9. She couldn't hide her huge hips or her huge chest, and she had a tiny waist. Any clothing will be tight in the chest and the hips/ass when you have a big one, no matter what size you wear unless its 4 sizes too big. What, is she supposed to wear baggy clothing and look sloppy instead, and be teased for that while her self-confidence plummets? When you're developed, there's really no way to hide it. You're physically too small to shop in the women's section and too busty/curvy to shop in the children's section. Tight clothes happen, and a lot of the time its not by choice.

  15. #11
    Banned
    Joined
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    11,037
    Thanks
    1,891
    Thanked 5,124 Times in 3,086 Posts

    Default Re: Victoria's Secret "Targeting" Young Girls

    Fitness classes are much different than school and no, girls shouldn't be wearing yoga pants to school.

  16. #12
    Banned
    Joined
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Aboard The Spaceship
    Posts
    4,787
    Thanks
    3,183
    Thanked 10,142 Times in 3,290 Posts
    My Mood
    Breezy

    Default Re: Victoria's Secret "Targeting" Young Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    Fitness classes are much different than school and no, girls shouldn't be wearing yoga pants to school.
    Its not just that. Its that ANY type of clothing is going to be tight in your chest/ass/hips if you are developed enough. Just because that's how clothing sits on developed bodies. Unless you purposely buy things 4 sizes too large and opt to look like a fat blob instead.

  17. #13
    Banned
    Joined
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    11,037
    Thanks
    1,891
    Thanked 5,124 Times in 3,086 Posts

    Default Re: Victoria's Secret "Targeting" Young Girls

    Not true, there are clothes available when one is curvy. I have a huge chest (though small hips)and I manage to find clothes that are neither too tight nor too baggy. That's just an excuse to dress sleazy when one wears the wrong size.

  18. #14
    God/dess Sophia_Starina's Avatar
    Joined
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Nudie-Land
    Posts
    7,219
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 4,151 Times in 1,462 Posts
    My Mood
    Sneaky

    Default Re: Victoria's Secret "Targeting" Young Girls

    I remember I wrote about this on EDN when I saw a pair of VS panties (Victoria's Secret PINK) with a screen print reading "TEACHER'S PET" and an apple on the booty.

    I got hella flack for it.

    "Victoria's Secret PINK is geared towards college students..." they'd say.

    Well.... not exactly.

    The PINK line is designed to make younger girls feel older and older women feel younger. For VS, it is a win/win situation. It's aspirational.

    There is no question in my mind that some of their designs have been tasteless. Having PINK branded on the ass is not a sensible style choice... for anyone... of any age. But it is one of the few recognizable/accessible logos for tweens that are often obsessed with brand names.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay12 View Post
    ^What Sophia said.
    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    I wish there was an "auto-like" setting that I could just have applied to all of your posts Sophia....

  19. The Following User Says Thank You to Sophia_Starina For This Useful Post:


  20. #15
    God/dess Sophia_Starina's Avatar
    Joined
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Nudie-Land
    Posts
    7,219
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 4,151 Times in 1,462 Posts
    My Mood
    Sneaky

    Default Re: Victoria's Secret "Targeting" Young Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    But teen girls and younger shouldn't be wearing tight clothes or anything wear a pantyline would be showing anyway. I see some of what teen girls and younger wear and am horrified because they shouldn't be dressing sleazy at that age.
    Oodles of judgement!



    Kelly, the current style trends skew towards the tighter end of the spectrum. Skinny Jeans, leggings, body-con dresses, etc. Stretchy material is ubiquitous in most clothing items. A young girl wearing items that don't fit the trend may be bullied and ostracized by her "friends" and classmates.

    You may feel it's sleazy but there is nothing sleazy about it. It's the status quo. Stop by any middle school and you'll know.
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay12 View Post
    ^What Sophia said.
    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    I wish there was an "auto-like" setting that I could just have applied to all of your posts Sophia....

  21. The Following User Says Thank You to Sophia_Starina For This Useful Post:


  22. #16
    Featured Member
    Joined
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    980
    Thanks
    14
    Thanked 1,287 Times in 510 Posts
    My Mood
    Aggressive

    Default Re: Victoria's Secret "Targeting" Young Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    Oodles of judgement!



    Kelly, the current style trends skew towards the tighter end of the spectrum. Skinny Jeans, leggings, body-con dresses, etc. Stretchy material is ubiquitous in most clothing items. A young girl wearing items that don't fit the trend may be bullied and ostracized by her "friends" and classmates.

    You may feel it's sleazy but there is nothing sleazy about it. It's the status quo. Stop by any middle school and you'll know.
    not to mention poly blend clothes are cheaper so when you are on a strict budget with constantly growing kids you have to choose between looking sharp in stretchy fabrics or looking like a slob in baggy 80s jeans and oversized 90s shirts. jeggings are pretty popular now.

    I started wearing thongs when I was 11 for ballet. nbd. the pink line has always been youthful and I think they do a good job of it with their cheaper plain bras (often buy one, get one deal), bright and innocent designs, and wide selection of pjs and sweats.

  23. #17
    God/dess Sophia_Starina's Avatar
    Joined
    Mar 2005
    Location
    Nudie-Land
    Posts
    7,219
    Thanks
    0
    Thanked 4,151 Times in 1,462 Posts
    My Mood
    Sneaky

    Default Re: Victoria's Secret "Targeting" Young Girls

    Disclaimer: I am not a fan of Victoria's Secret. Their price/quality ratio is awful. I do like getting a free pair of undies every few months... they send out little cards that allow you to get some underwear gratis once in a while. But those panties wear out and fray after a wash or two. I'd be super-pissed if I bought them for $7.50 plus tax or whatever. I hate their bras... the straps offer no support. And it is not like their products are incredibly affordable either...
    Quote Originally Posted by Jay12 View Post
    ^What Sophia said.
    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    I wish there was an "auto-like" setting that I could just have applied to all of your posts Sophia....

  24. The Following User Says Thank You to Sophia_Starina For This Useful Post:


  25. #18
    Banned
    Joined
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Aboard The Spaceship
    Posts
    4,787
    Thanks
    3,183
    Thanked 10,142 Times in 3,290 Posts
    My Mood
    Breezy

    Default Re: Victoria's Secret "Targeting" Young Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    Not true, there are clothes available when one is curvy. I have a huge chest (though small hips)and I manage to find clothes that are neither too tight nor too baggy. That's just an excuse to dress sleazy when one wears the wrong size.
    Yes but I'm going to go out on a limb and say its very different when you're like 5' and 100 lbs with a huge chest, compared to an average-sized woman with a huge chest. The same shirt would fit VERY different on each.


    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    Disclaimer: I am not a fan of Victoria's Secret. Their price/quality ratio is awful. I do like getting a free pair of undies every few months... they send out little cards that allow you to get some underwear gratis once in a while. But those panties wear out and fray after a wash or two. I'd be super-pissed if I bought them for $7.50 plus tax or whatever. I hate their bras... the straps offer no support. And it is not like their products are incredibly affordable either...
    I'm not a fan either. I only like one type of their bras and that's about it. Everything else is such low quality. Especially for the price.

  26. #19
    Banned
    Joined
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    11,037
    Thanks
    1,891
    Thanked 5,124 Times in 3,086 Posts

    Default Re: Victoria's Secret "Targeting" Young Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    Oodles of judgement!



    Kelly, the current style trends skew towards the tighter end of the spectrum. Skinny Jeans, leggings, body-con dresses, etc. Stretchy material is ubiquitous in most clothing items. A young girl wearing items that don't fit the trend may be bullied and ostracized by her "friends" and classmates.

    You may feel it's sleazy but there is nothing sleazy about it. It's the status quo. Stop by any middle school and you'll know.
    Doesn't mean it is right. This is why schools need a dress code and parents need to watch what their kid dress like because children shouldn't be dressing like prostitutes. When they are older they can dress like they want. Sadly this is the story of why our morals are declining and why young girls are becoming pregnant. It's also why dancers today don't make what they did when I dance because men think why pay to see a dancer in a sexy outfit when he can see it on the street. I've seen some of the things young girls wear and it is far sleazier than things I wore dancing.

  27. #20
    Banned
    Joined
    Aug 2011
    Location
    Aboard The Spaceship
    Posts
    4,787
    Thanks
    3,183
    Thanked 10,142 Times in 3,290 Posts
    My Mood
    Breezy

    Default Re: Victoria's Secret "Targeting" Young Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    Sadly this is the story of why our morals are declining and why young girls are becoming pregnant. It's also why dancers today don't make what they did when I dance because men think why pay to see a dancer in a sexy outfit when he can see it on the street.
    This again? Do you not remember that statistically teen pregnancy rates are lower than they have EVER been, and are steadily declining by the decade? You can't manipulate facts so they fit your opinions. Facts are facts. Exhibit A, from last year (2012):
    - "U.S. teen pregnancy rates at an all-time low across all ethnicities"
    - "Birth Rates for U.S. Teenagers Reach Historic Lows"

    And I would hardly compare women wearing tight clothing to naked girls dancing around on stage lol. Especially because dancing is entertainment and attention, and men sure as hell aren't getting that for free on the street. Nor are they getting full nudity on the streets.

  28. #21
    Banned
    Joined
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    11,037
    Thanks
    1,891
    Thanked 5,124 Times in 3,086 Posts

    Default Re: Victoria's Secret "Targeting" Young Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by GlamourRouge View Post
    Yes but I'm going to go out on a limb and say its very different when you're like 5' and 100 lbs with a huge chest, compared to an average-sized woman with a huge chest. The same shirt would fit VERY different on each.

    I'm not a fan either. I only like one type of their bras and that's about it. Everything else is such low quality. Especially for the price.
    There are petite lines and even petite lines for women who are busty and short. Honestly when a girl wears tight clothes she just wants to show off her chest. I was busty as a younger girl (I developed very early)and was ashamed I was busty so yes I wore baggy sweaters or better yet shirts and sweaters that fit me. I don't see a reason why a younger girl can't wear something not tight even if she has to go up a size.

  29. #22
    Banned
    Joined
    Jul 2005
    Posts
    11,037
    Thanks
    1,891
    Thanked 5,124 Times in 3,086 Posts

    Default Re: Victoria's Secret "Targeting" Young Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by GlamourRouge View Post
    This again? Do you not remember that statistically teen pregnancy rates are lower than they have EVER been, and are steadily declining by the decade? You can't manipulate facts so they fit your opinions. Facts are facts. Exhibit A, from last year (2012):
    - "U.S. teen pregnancy rates at an all-time low across all ethnicities"
    - "Birth Rates for U.S. Teenagers Reach Historic Lows"

    And I would hardly compare women wearing tight clothing to naked girls dancing around on stage lol. Especially because dancing is entertainment and attention, and men sure as hell aren't getting that for free on the street. Nor are they getting full nudity on the streets.
    Still doesn't mean young girls should be dressing sleazy. Still doesn't mean young girls (I'm talking pre teens)should be wearing bra and panty sets that look like something I danced in. Of course there is a decline in moral values, look at what passes as entertainment today and part of of it is because young girls are sexualized. Girls should look like girls not dancers. Compare teen singers like Debbie Gibson and Tiffany from the 80's to the later "singers" like Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera and you see a major difference in clothes.

    There are always threads about men wanting and expecting more in the clubs as compared to years ago and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why. Clothes is just part of it but still something that concerns me.

  30. #23
    God/dess firemaiden04's Avatar
    Joined
    Jul 2008
    Location
    NY
    Posts
    2,652
    Thanks
    3,054
    Thanked 2,005 Times in 903 Posts

    Default Re: Victoria's Secret "Targeting" Young Girls

    I don't think the issue is really that teens or tweens are wearing thongs. Of course they serve a purpose. There are plenty of clothes out there that will show a panty-line, even if they aren't tight--most of the business slacks I've owned were made from material that would cling to an underwear outline, so of course I had to wear thongs. The issue I personally have is with the slogans written on the underwear, or on the ass of the "yoga pants." I think it's trashy on anyone, quite frankly. I mean, guys are going to look at your ass, no matter what you're wearing. There is absolutely no point in emblazoning "JUICY" or "WET" or whatever the fuck on the ass because it's "sexy." It's kind of desperate. And no, I don't think it's okay to wear it. It makes them feel older? Why does it make them feel older? You look at the real VS lingerie and it's all lace and satin, not neon cotton with various sexual words or phrases all over the place. If they wanted to feel more "grown up," wouldn't they be wearing the real lingerie? Because I personally would have much less of an issue with a 14-year-old wearing a lace bra than skin-tight yoga pants with "JUICY" or "PINK" emblazoned across the ass.

  31. The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to firemaiden04 For This Useful Post:


  32. #24
    Featured Member
    Joined
    Nov 2012
    Posts
    980
    Thanks
    14
    Thanked 1,287 Times in 510 Posts
    My Mood
    Aggressive

    Default Re: Victoria's Secret "Targeting" Young Girls

    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    Disclaimer: I am not a fan of Victoria's Secret. Their price/quality ratio is awful. I do like getting a free pair of undies every few months... they send out little cards that allow you to get some underwear gratis once in a while. But those panties wear out and fray after a wash or two. I'd be super-pissed if I bought them for $7.50 plus tax or whatever. I hate their bras... the straps offer no support. And it is not like their products are incredibly affordable either...
    what do you recommend instead? I actually find vs the best price : quality ratio out there, my only gripe is their terrible "one size fits all" panties, the lack of sizes available in store and for certain styles (specifically smaller bands and bigger cups), and bad customer service.

  33. #25
    Veteran Member AureliaC's Avatar
    Joined
    Aug 2012
    Posts
    277
    Thanks
    419
    Thanked 535 Times in 173 Posts
    My Mood
    Stressed

    Default Re: Victoria's Secret "Targeting" Young Girls

    Of all the companies targeting younger girls I don't really think VS is particularly terrible. Honestly it bothers the crap out of me more that their models are getting skinnier and skinnier, they used to be sexy, curvy (in a very difficult way) but they had a shape like a woman. Now they barely fill out a bra designed to give you TWO more freaking cup sizes.
    I don't want to have a daughter and have her miss out on being a kid, my childhood was so great and I wore thrift store lion king leggings. But you can't shield them from that stuff, just teach them to respect their bodies, dress it corretly, and use it to their advantage.

  34. The Following User Says Thank You to AureliaC For This Useful Post:


Page 1 of 4 123 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. "Extras Girls" aka "The Finishers"- The REAL Breakdown
    By kikiwiki in forum Stripping (was Stripping General)
    Replies: 60
    Last Post: 11-05-2017, 01:12 PM
  2. Young "Veteran" Dancer from Chicago
    By Amaya_Amor in forum Coming Out
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 01-16-2014, 05:50 PM
  3. Replies: 78
    Last Post: 09-21-2010, 12:06 PM
  4. Fascinating Jane Mag article about Japanese "Host Clubs" that cater to young women
    By Dottie Rebel in forum Stripping (was Stripping General)
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 08-20-2006, 12:05 PM
  5. Alysha Keys...."Secret"
    By Vyanka in forum Music Mix
    Replies: 2
    Last Post: 10-11-2004, 05:56 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •