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    Hi ladies.
    So I've only been working about a month and a half, and I'm afraid I'm already experiencing burnout (or something).
    At first I was loving the job. I was loving getting all dolled up and sexy to go to work, loving the club atmosphere, the girls there, the money (most of all), etc, etc. However now it's all changed.

    I know extras go in the majority of clubs (ok I don't actually know but I'm guessing), but since my club got new management I feel like it's gotten so bad I can't handle it. My club was owned by a couple, but they have gotten a divorce now and it's just owned by the husband. A bunch of girls who had worked there but hadn't gotten along with the wife are coming back to work, and it's ALOT of girls. I would have no problem with new girls, being as I am one of them, but seriously all these girls seem to be dirty! It's crazy! In my month and a half working there I had only witnessed one extra (I'm sure they were more but they weren't all over the place). Now, my last night I had worked there, I made under $20 (I had never made less than $190). Every single guy was expecting sex. I was even with a customer for THREE hours, and a girl walked up and whispered in his ear and he literally got up and left me and went with her. After 3 fucking hours. The manager was even more mad then me and freaked out on her. I had guys all night telling me these 3 certain girls were offering sex for $200, and bjs for $50. 3 may not seem like alot but I work in a small club so it's overkill when even 10 girls are working. And all of these girls were new. Just walking by the semi private dance booths a saw one of those 3 girls giving a dude a bj. Like literally saw it. I would never rat them out, so I just turned my head, but seriously at least do it in VIP, not where we can see!!

    So at the end of the night, all of the clean girls didn't even make out house fees, and the dirty girls had money literally falling out of their full purses. It made me feel like I was working in a whore house. I want to be a dancer, but it makes me feel so dirty to feel like I'm working in a whore house!! Not worth it to me, especially if all the guys want sex now because girls offer it in the first few minutes of conversation.

    I know the obvious answer would be switch clubs, but I already drive 61 miles to my club. All of the clubs in my town are extremely slow and dirty too. Like even my dancer friends in this town tell me it's extremely dirty. (ps I live in Oregon) I tried a night at the one club my friend suggested and told me was the cleanest in town, but it was painfully slow and there wasn't even one customer in the 3 hours I was there so I left. The girls there also told me it's the only club in town that is somewhat clean, so dancing in my town isn't an option.

    So after my long rant, I guess what I'm getting at is, are all clubs extremely dirty and I'm just oblivious? Or how do you girls actually make money when girls are offering sex? I just feel like I can't compete trying to sell dances, when for the price of 2 1/2 dances girls will give you a bj.
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    Default Re: Getting discouraged from working with dirty girls

    If dancing in your area is the only option and dirty girls are overwhelming you, why even dance? It's not worth your integrity and soul to do that. If management wont do anything about the illegal activities taking place, there are other options. Try being a traveling dancer, move to a new area, or perhaps hang up your stripper heels and become a webcam girl.

    In the meantime, maybe the cops will come in and clean that club up one day. A few prostitution charges usually makes a club squeaky clean again.

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    It's not that their overwhelming me, it's just that not one customer is wanting dances that don't include sex acts because there are so many girls willing to give them.

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    Wait, why were you with a customer for that long without getting paid? Not to defend the girl who stole the custie but you shouldn't be entertaining him for free for 3 hours....

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    Quote Originally Posted by lady_lazarus View Post
    Wait, why were you with a customer for that long without getting paid? Not to defend the girl who stole the custie but you shouldn't be entertaining him for free for 3 hours....
    Sorry, I should have been more clear.
    I met the custie, and after he bought me a drink and asked if he wanted to go spend some time alone and let me dance for him and he said no but he wants to just sit and talk and drink and tip me well for my time and gave me $20 and said they would keep coming and he wanted to spend his time with me. He bought me like 10 or more drinks (they were all virgin & mostly ice so I drank them kinda fast lol). After a little while he gave me another $20. Then we went and watched some girls at the rack (which I encouraged) and he tipped them. Then I was up on stage and he tipped me $1. He waited for at at stage and we drank more and he said before he left he would tip me very well. The bartender and manager/bouncer saw us together all of this time. Then when we were at the bar this girl comes up and whispers something in his ear and he gets up. I ask if he wants me to come with him and he says no. Then he comes back like 15 minutes later and sits by me at the bar and asks the bartender to call him a taxi. He tells me he is leaving and we say our goodbyes and I'm acting not irratated at all and still super flirty and happy to have spent time with him. I ask him for a tip for my time after he doesnt give me one and he says "I already tipped you for your time" and I was like seriously I just spent 3 hours with you. I was pissed and at this point I knew I wasnt getting anything else from him. He then says "goodnight" and turns his back on me. My "tip" he promised me went to the dirty girl after god knows what she whispered to him.
    So I guess I actually technically maded $21. My house fee is $41 and they let me give them just $20.

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    Sorry for my forgetfulness and bad math lol, I had said under 20 but I actually made 21 thinking back on how I made the $$....

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    I know what you are going through. I dance in Detroit; in case anyone here hasn't heard, it is one of THE worst cities in terms of extras! The majority of Detroit clubs have either just as many girls doing extras as they have clean girls, or more. The club I'm at now is probably about 50/50 but getting worse and worse. Another club I used to work at from time to time was so trashy I'd say about 75 percent of the girls offered at LEAST a bj, many offering full sex. And they are very cheap. Once at that same trashy club, they were remodeling it, so some of the VIP booths just had glass walls that weren't covered up by a curtain; I went back to the VIP with a guy and saw a girl the next VIP booth over giving a guy a blow job - this happened to me TWICE IN A ROW! Another time at that club I took my top off in the VIP booth and it fell behind the table that you set your drinks on. I went to grab my top and ended up grabbing a fucking USED CONDOM! Gross! Needles to say, I don't go to that club anymore...

    The club I'm at now there are plenty of girls who do extras. One of them offers a BJ AND sex for a combined $150. There are girls who will give head for $50. The club down the street (less than a mile away) is basically a complete brothel; it's the most expensive club in all aspects, and even there the girls don't charge more than $200 for "full service." There's only one clean club in Detroit, unfortunately it's far from me and pretty slow although I haven't danced there yet but I definitely want to. They got new management and the new management cleaned the place out and won't tolerate extras.

    So your conclusion that extras happen at all clubs? That isn't necessarily true. In this industry, of course, there are always going to be some dirty girls. But there are clubs out there that are extras-free for the most part. The industry is going a little downhill in that respect, because extras are getting so widespread, but you can find "clean" clubs. A friend and I started traveling to Kalamazoo last summer, a city a couple hours away from Detroit, solely because we were sick of the extras girls. And at the club we went to, extras didn't happen. The champagne rooms had cameras, the men weren't allowed to touch you during couch dances, etc. I'm sure every once in a while dirty things happened, but it wasn't the norm at all and customers didn't expect it.

    I know it sucks working in such a dirty environment because so many customers expect you to do extras as well so you get propositioned for it a lot - but there's hope. I average over $500 a night (about $600 on average the last couple months or so, during a slow time of year) and I do not and will not do extras. I'm surrounded by whores but I still make money. You're just going to have to hustle twice as hard. You'll find customers who either don't want extras or don't frequent the club therefore they don't know extras happen so regularly. You can still make money. One thing you're going to have to stop doing is sitting with men for long periods of time without pay. That is NOT a good hustle. It's a mistake a lot of newbies make and now I'm sure you've learned from it... I usually don't sit with a guy for more than 15-20 mins if he hasn't expressed interest in VIP, and if that time goes by then I'll ask him. If he says no, NEXT. Don't waste that much time sitting with customers.
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    First if a guy says he is going to tip you well for your time; get it up front. It's a hard lesson to learn. If he only gave you $20 then another $20.... And you sat there for 3 hrs without asking for more then take it as a mistake you'll make once. As far as the dirty girls; yes they exist but I just view them as someone to take care of cheap dirty customers while I look for the good ones.

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    ambermaexxx, this is the girl you talked to awhile ago from Salem..get out of Presley's! It's not worth it. I have heard so many things about that place. You may want to give another club another chance. There is a possibility it was just a really slow night or it was near the end of the month. (which is always slow here) Give the place that was slow another shot! Try the other places that are "supposedly" dirty...girls like to run their mouths in this town and you don't really know until you try it. It's better to go in and check out a club that may be dirty than be stuck working at one every night that you know is dirty.

    Also do you drive 61 miles north or south? South, there are quite a few clubs in Eugene and North there are obviously a lot of clubs in Portland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrophyStripper View Post
    First if a guy says he is going to tip you well for your time; get it up front. It's a hard lesson to learn. If he only gave you $20 then another $20.... And you sat there for 3 hrs without asking for more then take it as a mistake you'll make once. As far as the dirty girls; yes they exist but I just view them as someone to take care of cheap dirty customers while I look for the good ones.
    Lesson definitely learned lol...I kicked myself over and over for that one. At least I will never do that again! I like your outlook on it...I am gonna try and think of it that way now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollywood6 View Post
    ambermaexxx, this is the girl you talked to awhile ago from Salem..get out of Presley's! It's not worth it. I have heard so many things about that place. You may want to give another club another chance. There is a possibility it was just a really slow night or it was near the end of the month. (which is always slow here) Give the place that was slow another shot! Try the other places that are "supposedly" dirty...girls like to run their mouths in this town and you don't really know until you try it. It's better to go in and check out a club that may be dirty than be stuck working at one every night that you know is dirty.

    Also do you drive 61 miles north or south? South, there are quite a few clubs in Eugene and North there are obviously a lot of clubs in Portland.
    That's a really good point. Yeah I'm done with that club. I honestly have no problem with girls doing extras, just when it hurts my business lol. Actually, one of these girls came from where you work so you may know her! lol I won't name names tho :p

    North, I'm in the Eugene area, and also paranoid of running into people I know here, another reason why I made the drive.

    I should really just get over my fear of being rejected and try Stars. I'm moving closer soon so maybe I'll go audition there after I move. All of our customers always say it's way nicer lol.

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    That's interesting, we have basically NO tolerance for that where I work. Somehow she was either managing to get away with it @ Stars or she has decided it's okay to start doing them over there. I very well might know her and have no idea! Now I'm curious!

    Which club was the other one that you had tried?

    Have you checked out Springfield? I know there are a few clubs in that area. 1444, Sweet illusions, and Phil's clubhouse. That may be too close though if you're worried about running into people.

    I wouldn't worry about being rejected! Lately, they will hire basically anyone, as long as you aren't heavy or don't look like a drug addict. I think you will find that you are much more comfortable. Security and management is awesome!

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    The more focused I became on girls doing extras, the harder it was for me to compete with them. When I stopped paying attention to all of that drama and just ignored everyone but the customers, I shot back up to being a top earner. That is the one thing that's in your control. The more you obsess over girls doing extras, the less energy you're spending on your customers. The less attention you pay to the extras girls, the less aware you'll be of what's going on, and the more focused you'll be on making money your way.

    You should remember, too, that not all men are looking for sex when they walk into strip clubs. Many men go to strip clubs precisely for this reason: they get erotic entertainment without feeling like they're cheating on their significant others. So focus on the fact that you're selling a different product than the extras girls. Girls who offer illegal sexual services in clubs often are focusing less on connecting with customers, making entertaining conversation, coming across as sophisticated, and dancing beautifully (I'm not saying that they can't do these things, but girls offering extras tend to expend their energy in other ways). So if you can offer these services, then you'll place yourself in a different market.

    You need to believe in your product in order to sell it!

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    I have that issue with. Girl now. She's targeting my customers and is a whore. Next time she comes over to MY customer offers to have "special fun" with him and gets a room.... I'm goona have a nice....talk with her. I make okay usually 200 on a weeknight so I don't mind but this girl is messing up my $ to the extreme.

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    tell the dirty girl you work with random guys been asking if she is turning tricks etc and you think they might be cops. Make her think she is being investigated and you probably wont see her again if in fact she is a trick. She will shape up or get out ,one or the other.

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    I do know a lot of times girls that been accused of it because they out-earn other girls with big egos and they can not think of any other reason someone could sell so many more dances or rooms than them and in fact the accused was proven clean due to cameras in the vip. So don't always assume cuz if the cameras get looked at and you running your mouth about someone is bigger money maker you might get suspended or worse. So be for sure! Good Luck !

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    Quote Originally Posted by pizzedoff View Post
    I do know a lot of times girls that been accused of it because they out-earn other girls with big egos and they can not think of any other reason someone could sell so many more dances or rooms than them and in fact the accused was proven clean due to cameras in the vip. So don't always assume cuz if the cameras get looked at and you running your mouth about someone is bigger money maker you might get suspended or worse. So be for sure! Good Luck !
    I'm not assuming, I witnessed a bj and multiple customers were telling me the same things (girls offering sex/200, bjs/50), and custies were asking if I offered the same rates.
    I would never ever rat these girls out though! Being a snitch is 100% against my morals. I would rather just remove myself from the situation and let them go about their business.
    Just because I'm venting/asking advice on a forum I don't think I'm running my mouth, because I'm not naming names, and my name itc isn't even Amber Mae, so I feel pretty confident that this is somewhat anonymous.
    Thanks for your reply, just wanted to clear that up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollywood6 View Post
    That's interesting, we have basically NO tolerance for that where I work. Somehow she was either managing to get away with it @ Stars or she has decided it's okay to start doing them over there. I very well might know her and have no idea! Now I'm curious!

    Which club was the other one that you had tried?

    Have you checked out Springfield? I know there are a few clubs in that area. 1444, Sweet illusions, and Phil's clubhouse. That may be too close though if you're worried about running into people.

    I wouldn't worry about being rejected! Lately, they will hire basically anyone, as long as you aren't heavy or don't look like a drug addict. I think you will find that you are much more comfortable. Security and management is awesome!

    Good to know you guys don't tolerate that! Probably one reason she came to my club lol.

    Yeah I tried 1444. The girls and management even told me it doesn't get that busy there this time of year..I drive by it like every day and there are never any cars in the parking lot lol, it's depressing. Phil's closed because the owner passed away, and 3 girls I went to highschool with work at SI, so that's not an option either lol. I'm definitely leaving my club tho, I don't want to be in that environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ambermaexxx View Post
    I'm not assuming, I witnessed a bj and multiple customers were telling me the same things (girls offering sex/200, bjs/50), and custies were asking if I offered the same rates.
    I would never ever rat these girls out though! Being a snitch is 100% against my morals. I would rather just remove myself from the situation and let them go about their business.
    Just because I'm venting/asking advice on a forum I don't think I'm running my mouth, because I'm not naming names, and my name itc isn't even Amber Mae, so I feel pretty confident that this is somewhat anonymous.
    Thanks for your reply, just wanted to clear that up.
    yeah, I know you wasn't, I was just telling what Ive seen. Ive danced a long time and I have only witnessed an extra one time in my career with my own eyes. But hear about stories every single night since first starting dancing lol. But take my suggestion I made in this thread to get her to leave or stop.

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    I feel you, I hate that shit >(

    Basically I always tried to find new customers coming in that didn't know about what other girls were doing and milk them for everything you can but if you're with a guy for more than like 10 min and can't get them to agree on spending anything then I'd try to find a new customer or watch for new people coming in, either sitting alone somewhere or continue to try the one customer, but if you see new perspectives coming in then try to close your sale once more and if it's still a no then excuse yourself and try the new people. Some guys just come in to the clubs with no real intention of spending money and even if they're not expecting extras only the offer of them will get them too. Or you could always make it seem like you "might" give extras but don't directly say you'll do something you won't but just make them curious and they might spend a little to find out, most guys won't directly ask for extras until you're already in the dances in my experience, which even though you may only do one or two songs for them you at least made a little and try to ignore the girl that gets them for a hour vip five minutes later... =/

    Oh and it's fun to scare dudes when they say another girl will do something for them, I'd say stuff like "well I don't want what the other girls have," then they'd be all OMG, "what do they have?!?" and I'd just laugh and say something like, "idk but I don't want it"
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    Quote Originally Posted by questella View Post
    I feel you, I hate that shit >(

    Basically I always tried to find new customers coming in that didn't know about what other girls were doing and milk them for everything you can but if you're with a guy for more than like 10 min and can't get them to agree on spending anything then I'd try to find a new customer or watch for new people coming in, either sitting alone somewhere or continue to try the one customer, but if you see new perspectives coming in then try to close your sale once more and if it's still a no then excuse yourself and try the new people. Some guys just come in to the clubs with no real intention of spending money and even if they're not expecting extras only the offer of them will get them too. Or you could always make it seem like you "might" give extras but don't directly say you'll do something you won't but just make them curious and they might spend a little to find out, most guys won't directly ask for extras until you're already in the dances in my experience, which even though you may only do one or two songs for them you at least made a little and try to ignore the girl that gets them for a hour vip five minutes later... =/

    Oh and it's fun to scare dudes when they say another girl will do something for them, I'd say stuff like "well I don't want what the other girls have," then they'd be all OMG, "what do they have?!?" and I'd just laugh and say something like, "idk but I don't want it"
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    that's an idea.... omg... whip your phone out and take a pic or video of them doing extras and take it to mgmt. to show them if its that bad at your clubs, especially if they know where to be out of view from the vip / club owned camera monitoring. how could they get away with it then?

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    I really doubt that management isn't aware of this stuff. And even if they are unaware, targeting a couple of girls won't stop the problem; even if management does 'fire' those girls, others will take their place. I really think this is just energy that should be spent elsewhere. There have always been, and will always be, extras girls pretty much no matter where you dance.

    And if you're working in a club that does take action to stop such things, count yourself lucky!

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    i agree with charlie 1000% . don't get yourself into that kind of backbiting catty shit, it won't do any good long-term and could get you into a lot of drama short term..just do your thing and ignore them! the "good old days" ( or so i heard) are gone..extras run rampant in this crap economy, a lot of clubs allow it because they want money and customers just as bad, and its not likely to get any better..in fact it may get even worse. you can't change other other people or what they do, you just can't..so work on your own hustle and being the best you can be like like charlie said. getting back at extras girls will get your ass beat or worse, so be careful! just saying that because i've seen it
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    Last Post: 02-13-2007, 01:45 PM

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