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    I'm trying to get some kind of "normal" job but I've never actually had a normal job before. I've danced since I was 21 (Aug 2006) and before that I was a "housewife" or whatever.

    I've filled out many applications and haven't had any luck...

    I was wondering what should I put for employment history & work experience? Is there a way to sugar-coat being a dancer/independent contractor/entertainer on my applications?

    I'm really uncomfortable with lying about my work history on applications and I know I'd probably fudge up a lie in an interview or at some point...

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    Unless you have a manager or convincing friend willing to lie for you as a reference and are confident in your ability to convincingly lie during an interview about it (which it doesn't sound like you are), there's no way to "sugar coat" dancing. Work your friends and networks to find a job - that's the best way to do it when you have no real experience to list. Short of that, volunteer. That gets you an in with an organization, expands your network, and gives you work experience. It's a longer road, but you've got to start somewhere.

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    Oof... yeah, I think you are going to either have to start at the bottom (retail most likely) and hope someone hires you off looks and personality. Just be honest about the housewife part, and maybe extend it all the way until present, so they don't ask what you've been doing for support in that gap.
    As was already suggested, volunteering is good too. If you can maybe get in with a non-profit and do clerical work, you'd have a good shot of being promoted to employee eventually.
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    Most Clubs have a business name and you would be a Sub Contractor/Entertainer for tax purposes. So, I'd recommend contacting the club to find out their "business name" and put this down on your CV and ask a Manager, DJ or House Mum to be a reference (if you do not trust these people, another dancer/colleague could be a character reference for you). It's really up to you how much truth you put on your CV, many girls claim they actually waitressed at the club's they danced at and some claim that they were hostesses or shot girls or worked in Entertainment and Promotions.

    Bare in mind that any additional qualifications help, so depending on what kind of job you are going for, doing a short course or getting certificates in that area may bulk up your CV.

    In my experience, getting work as a Promotional Model, Brand Ambassador/Product or Event Promoter with Entertainer on your CV is usually easy (it's usually decently paid casual work). If you aren't looking for a job in a particular field (i.e. something you've studied) it might be a start?

    Good luck .
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    Quote Originally Posted by OliveJardin View Post
    Most Clubs have a business name and you would be a Sub Contractor/Entertainer for tax purposes. So, I'd recommend contacting the club to find out their "business name" and put this down on your CV and ask a Manager, DJ or House Mum to be a reference (if you do not trust these people, another dancer/colleague could be a character reference for you). It's really up to you how much truth you put on your CV, many girls claim they actually waitressed at the club's they danced at and some claim that they were hostesses or shot girls or worked in Entertainment and Promotions.
    I like this idea a lot, I'm going to have to try it, it looks like my best bet for getting something sooner.

    Unfortunately going to school again ever is completely out of the question for me now since i owe the government like a million dollars from going to school before. I really wish I hadn't of now seeing that it didn't do me a lick of good and left me in a huge debt hole. =/

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    Did you complete a degree then? That will likely make it easier to job hunt. You could also reach out to your alumni association or university's career centre, as they'll likely be somewhat helpful.

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    Yea I finished even graduated with a 4.0 but to do the job I went to school for I also need a certification and it was going to require so much continuing education it didn't seem worth it and the only jobs I was getting offers for were and hour a way min wage with no insurance possibilities (which at the time was the entire purpose of me going for another job) and if people didn't show up for their sessions I wouldn't even get paid for the half hour I'd still be there. So basically people were going to pay the gym 40-45$ per half hour sessions and I was going to get 4$ of that, so I said fuck it. My degree was in personal fitness training.

    The continuing education was going to require me to take so many trips to like Vegas or other places for seminars, in which I'd have to pay for the flight, pay for the seminar, pay for the hotel, it would of cost 1000s of $ a year so I just decided to say fuck it since reapplying to get the certification would require me to retest it would only cost like 500$, I'd have to study my ass off to retest.

    And on top of all that I was going to have to purchase some kind of special insurance since apparently trainers get sued all the time. I found all this out after I had done finished school. I really just kind of wanted to teach pole dancing anyways since it's what I fell in love with. I tried to get girls to do one-on-one sessions with me but everybody was just to flaky, I was even offering to do a couple for free, then was only going to charge them like 10-20$.

    I kind of wonder if I could still do this with-out the certification and maybe make them sign a waiver or something.

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    ^Could you apply to teach at a Pole Studio? With your skills and background in Fitness, it might be an option
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    Agree about the volunteering because not only will you get experience but you will get good references too. Not sure what job you want but you will more than likely have to take an entry level job.

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    I don't think we have much going for pole studios around here

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    ^^^ for better or worse, working as an independent contractor in the adult entertainment industry offers nothing better on a resume' than being a 'housewife'. And if there isn't an official paper trail of tax returns and reported dancing income, listing your work as an independent contractor can actually involve the creations of new risks ( i.e. a potential employer you submitted a resume' to attempting to verify your independent contractor work experience with the IRS ).

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    I'd recommend buying Resume Magic on Amazon to help you out a bit. It helps with some of the questions you're asking.

    http://www.amazon.com/Resume-Magic-4...s=resume+magic

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    I got that book, it's like a textbook! I can't believe how involved this is XD but it's a good thing =)

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    You could:

    -Stretch out the housewife gig, and offer personal references.
    -Lie about having had work in a different state, and have a friend pretend to be a manager on the phone. Just make the fake job the same as your friend's real job and they'll answer all the questions right. The place usually never calls anyway.
    -If you know anyone who has any kind of business, either ask that person if they will lie for you or ask them for a job!
    -Pay out of pocket for community college with stripping money (this is what I do). An RN needs 2 years of school and starts off at around $48,000 off the bat.

    Good luck! I've had about 10,000 vanilla jobs so PM me with any questions if you'd like.

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    I'm having a terribly hard time coming up with something I would actually like to do as a career... I love dancing and have been working on learning contortion but I'm assuming the job span for that is probably as long as being a stripper and probably a lot less money and harder to get into =/ Then I like remodeling/building trades but that job market is so saturated with people, I was looking into getting an apprenticeship in that but it requires schooling too, then I used to do lots of computer web design/programming but that job market has apparently gone overseas. Other than that I'm feeling pretty dumbfounded about something that could be a "career" with a long-term future... I tried to get into an art school some time ago but they basically told me I needed to start at like the elementary level which I'd probably end up going to school for like 10 years for a job that's over-saturated with workers and probably not too good long-term pay either, and I was looking into being a secretary/office worker some type of thing, but it seems to be over-saturated, I thought I'd be able to do it since I have some decent computer knowledge and I can type over 100wpm though my computer knowledge is pretty out of date now but I can still get around Microsoft Word and Excel pretty well, it seems most of peoples secretaries have been at their jobs for like a thousand years

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    I know this is an old thread, but I hope you found something that works for you.

    I am about to take my CPT test next month. I went through the American Council on Exercise (ACE) who devotes a lot of time teaching you the business aspects of becoming a trainer. In the first chapter or 2 they teach you about the importance of having insurance. It's a bitch and really pricy, but less pricy than getting sued.

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    You could say you're a licensed massage therapist and you've been working out of your home, but business has been slower due to the economy and you're seeking a position.
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    ^^^ again, with the ongoing 'flood' of applicants for virtually every unskilled and semi-skilled job, prospective employers are now investing more effort than ever to investigate potential new employees. Thus it's increasingly important to be 100% 'truthful' when filling out job applications ... because if the prospective employer's background check turns up a 'lie' ... even a 'white lie' ... it could result in your application being thrown in the waste basket. Worse, it could result in your being fired after the fact even if you were successful in being hired initially.

    That's not to say that 'omitting' certain things from a job application are technically the same as 'lying'. But claiming that you are a licensed 'professional' of any kind is something which a prospective employer ( or more probably the background check service the employer uses ) can verify in a matter of minutes. In regard to 'lying' about the true nature of past work experience, keep in mind that if the job application also requires you to sign an IRS 4506-T permission form there is a fair probability that the prospective employer will become aware of any 1099-misc forms issued to you by strip clubs, webcam hosts etc. IRS permission forms ( along with credit bureau permission forms, etc. ) are becoming increasingly common where skilled and some semi-skilled jobs are concerned, but usually aren't a factor for unskilled jobs.

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    A quick Google search turned up several pole studios in or near Cincinnati. Seems like that would be a fairly easy way for the OP to transition to vanilla work.

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    I know you said you wouldn't be comfortable with straight up lying but I think stretching the truth could work out.

    In the past, I have embellished on my resume for more casual part-time work. My background is in social work, which I have a lot of credentials and work experience in, so for those jobs I am obviously 100% honest. But for something like waitressing, retail, promo work etc (or anything you think you can fake it until you make it), I don't see any problem in filling in some jobs by saying you've worked in another city or having a friend/family member with a business/is a manager cover for you.

    Obviously this could come back and bite you in the ass but all you need is that one first job and then after that, once you have experience, you can be more honest.

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