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    Travel Samoa air to charge pay per weight ticketing

    http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/02/travel...rticle_sidebar

    This would never be practical for major airlines.

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    Default Re: Samoa air to charge pay per weight ticketing

    When I travelled this winter in South East Asia, I was asked to step on a scale in a tiny airport in the Philippines They never said what it was for, simply wrote the number down and thanked me, lol. I do see the point though, bigger passengers take up more space and weight. Plus it's not fun to sit next to a huge person, especially on a long haul flight.
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    Default Re: Samoa air to charge pay per weight ticketing

    makes sense. more weight = more gas = more money. heavier passengers costs the airlines more than thinner passengers.
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    Makes perfect sense. I've only been on an airplane twice and no large passengers but take the bus and train often when working downtown and have had to sit by obese passengers often. It is not fun smashed in a seat because a large person (and some of them are huge)is taking most of my seat along with theirs.

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    I can see the reasoning for Samoa. As a race Samoans are some physically big people. The Men 6 and 7 feet tall with heavy muscles, 300+ and fit isn't uncommon.

    When I was an MP at Ft. Lewis I apprehended a Samoan for drunk driving. He had crashed his van into a tree leaving a club on post on a saturday night. Did I mention Samoans are some bad ass mofos? Yeah hits a tree at 35 MPH with no seat belt. He is standing by the van waiting for us. He knocked the windshield out of the frame with his face suffering minor cuts and a broken nose. He had two sore (not sprained) wrists from bracing himself against the steering wheel. The steering wheel was collapsed (supposed to in a crash), the three and nine positions were bent all the way to the column.

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    Default Re: Samoa air to charge pay per weight ticketing

    Possibly so the pilot could do his weight and balance calculations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowpoke View Post
    Possibly so the pilot could do his weight and balance calculations.
    That and fuel is measured in pounds not gallons / liters by pilots. Your cargo 500 lbs over weight? That means you have to remove 500lbs of fuel to take off.

    How far can you get per hundredweight of fuel?

    Unlike an Air Force cargo plane, which can take off overweight, then top off tanks with an inflight refueling, the civvie air goes with what they got.

    Always wondered why inflight refuel wasn't included, except as a weight saving measure.
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    Default Re: Samoa air to charge pay per weight ticketing

    Sargey's so smart


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    Default Re: Samoa air to charge pay per weight ticketing

    arguably, this is one more slide down the slippery slope that started with smokers.

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    Default Re: Samoa air to charge pay per weight ticketing

    Quote Originally Posted by tempest666 View Post
    http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/02/travel...rticle_sidebar

    This would never be practical for major airlines.
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    t666 On a plane of Samoa Airlines size, having 2 or even 1 passenger significantly over standard weight could make a difference in whether the plane is overweight or not. (< 19 passengers). But on Southwest Airlines B737 and larger aircraft, things do average out very closely to standard weights (exceptions being military or sports team charters, but even those non-standard groups have adjusted standard weights).

    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySGT. View Post
    That and fuel is measured in pounds not gallons / liters by pilots. Your cargo 500 lbs over weight? That means you have to remove 500lbs of fuel to take off.

    How far can you get per hundredweight of fuel?

    Unlike an Air Force cargo plane, which can take off overweight, then top off tanks with an inflight refueling, the civvie air goes with what they got.

    Always wondered why inflight refuel wasn't included, except as a weight saving measure.
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    A few points, sarge: 1) Some aircraft have fuel measured in kilograms
    2) Remove 500 lbs fuel??? Not if the pilot thinks that would be inadequate fuel supply
    3) Do you have any idea how much additional $$/human resources it costs to put one tanker aircraft airborne, plus the training costs to
    qualify crews for air-air refueling ? Not to mention if FAA or public would buy off on airliners routinely refueling with paying passengers
    on board ?

    Mel Pay your fair share for the weight of your huge moneymaker$$ !!!
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    Default Re: Samoa air to charge pay per weight ticketing

    Aside from the fact it would not be possible because airliners are not made to be refueled in flight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    arguably, this is one more slide down the slippery slope that started with smokers.
    Slippery slope?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowpoke View Post
    Aside from the fact it would not be possible because airliners are not made to be refueled in flight.
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    Which sarge already mentioned in his post. I just mentioned a FEW of the many reasons besides weight saving measure why civilian airliners aren't built with inflight refueling capability. Clincher being that the folks who control airline purse strings don't want it- end of story.

    Quote Originally Posted by ArmySGT. View Post
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    Default Re: Samoa air to charge pay per weight ticketing

    Southwest Airlines charges very obese people for two seats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    Southwest Airlines charges very obese people for two seats.
    I've heard that but have been squished against some fatass in my window seat. would think that wouldn't be if this were standard practice. Also if you buy your ticket online they have no idea your weight.

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    Even when purchasing online, if the flight is being made in a smaller plane, for example the Cessna 402, they will weigh you and your bags for wgt/balance purposes. Passenger/bag allowances are sometimes adjusted based on minimum fuel requirements. When I worked with Gulfstream/Cape Air we would sometimes have to tell a passenger, essentially, sry dude but we have a full flight & you're too big to go, & get them on the nxt available flt w/ their bags. For the larger planes, bags over 50lbs were labelled as such & counted twice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aniela View Post
    Even when purchasing online, if the flight is being made in a smaller plane, for example the Cessna 402, they will weigh you and your bags for wgt/balance purposes. Passenger/bag allowances are sometimes adjusted based on minimum fuel requirements. When I worked with Gulfstream/Cape Air we would sometimes have to tell a passenger, essentially, sry dude but we have a full flight & you're too big to go, & get them on the nxt available flt w/ their bags. For the larger planes, bags over 50lbs were labelled as such & counted twice.
    Yeah I fly a small airline/plane when I go to key west and they've weighed me. Southwest I think did do it for a while but don't anymore because I pretty much exclusively fly them and see plenty of people too large for one seat sitting. so.

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    slippery slope ???

    yes indeed ... following in the footsteps of stigmatizing smokers / charging higher prices and fees ...


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