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    Hi Everyone again, “longtime no read” I guess

    Figured I wanted to see what was going on here, i see that alot of the same Q keeps coming up in one way or another they are still funny to read. you ladies are great at answering them. Anyway there is been a lot of question in regards to SC in my country and Feminist groups BS trying to get them shut down. Here is what I was wondering if I am right or wrong about, hopefully you girls find it interesting, if not, you may shoot me down, I want cry…to much

    Here it is. So like I said there has been a lot of Q in regards to strip club and trying to get them shut down. Off course it is an election year, so what can you expect, the feminist groups are doing what they can to try to shut it down (even though it is very small chance it will be closed). So I was thinking why do so many women hate SC, and hate the women that works in them, call them names, since truthfully nothing bad is going on at club (in general), the guy is not cheating on them. So why the hate! here is my thoughts about it.

    I believe that the reason other women hate SC and striper so much is because they feel that when there man goes to this place he is in their mind “cheating” on them not physically but emotionally. He is spending time and money on sexy girl who is not them, and to a lot of women that is just as bad as the guy cheating on them physically! You are giving their man compliments and make him feel special emotionally. Even though you are only doing it for money and nothing physically is going on (sex, or kissing) and everybody knows that. But other women still feels emotionally he is cheating on them. I asked a stripper about this a while back (not my GF), and she told me she would not want her BF to visit strip clubs, she would feel like was cheating on him in way. Even though she herself, was working at a SC. This also be because she knows that sometimes some of the girls take it bit father then what they should, but still.

    Am I right about this, or am I way of base?. I still feel that a SO has not reason to fell jealous or that she is being cheated on, as it nothing physical happening.

    PS. Yoda If you want to take it down I will not get offended

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    Why are you asking us? Like you, we can only guess why other women hate us. Those other women are the only ones who can tell you if you're right or off-base.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shanna dior View Post
    Why are you asking us? Like you, we can only guess why other women hate us. Those other women are the only ones who can tell you if you're right or off-base.
    I ask you, because u r still women, and i was thinking u might have a better understading of it! But fair enough maybe i was wrong

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    yes, most women do have problems with strippers because of this, correct..although not correct to assume that another stripper is out of bounds not wanting her own boyfriend going in. we got there to MAKE money, not because we enjoy grinding on random dudes. and that's different than a guy going in there to SPEND money on another girl because he enjoys it. i don't want my boyfriend going into strip clubs...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kimba71 View Post
    I ask you, because u r still women, and i was thinking u might have a better understading of it! But fair enough maybe i was wrong
    Yes, but you have to understand that women don't share a single thought process. There are many things other women do that I don't understand, just as I'm sure there are many things other men do that you don't understand just because you happen to be the same gender.

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    Ok.
    First off, there are many different types of feminists. Everything from the very sex-positive sex-worker women who are simply interested in seeing that women are given the same opportunities as men (such as in the workplace) to the complete opposite viewpoint where some feminists believe that even consensual sex between a woman & a man is rape. And there is every viewpoint in between. Unfortunately we all get the same label - "FEMINIST".

    Secondly, these "feminists" that you refer to are more than likely approaching their opposition to stripclubs from both a political and from a sex worker exploitation perspective much more so than anything about jealousy concerning their husbands or boyfriends going to a club.

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    Kimba is a Norwegian & speaks from his prospective which has been documented by him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lopaw View Post
    Ok.
    First off, there are many different types of feminists. Everything from the very sex-positive sex-worker women who are simply interested in seeing that women are given the same opportunities as men (such as in the workplace) to the complete opposite viewpoint where some feminists believe that even consensual sex between a woman & a man is rape. And there is every viewpoint in between. Unfortunately we all get the same label - "FEMINIST".

    Secondly, these "feminists" that you refer to are more than likely approaching their opposition to stripclubs from both a political and from a sex worker exploitation perspective much more so than anything about jealousy concerning their husbands or boyfriends going to a club.
    Yep. I really despise the mainstream feminists now because they don't speak to me on many levels, including this issue. I assert that part of being a feminist is a CHOICE. If we want to think about it being a stripper is being a feminist because they are independent contractors (in other words own their own business so to speak), it opens up opportunities and so much more. They don't need to depend on a man, which is originally what feminism was about after voting.

    I will admit that I am hypocritical because I would have a hard time with a boyfriend going to a strip club. I think it's because after dealing with so many men who expect sex and other dancers who did more than I would allow I wouldn't know if I could trust him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lopaw View Post
    Ok.
    First off, there are many different types of feminists. Everything from the very sex-positive sex-worker women who are simply interested in seeing that women are given the same opportunities as men (such as in the workplace) to the complete opposite viewpoint where some feminists believe that even consensual sex between a woman & a man is rape. And there is every viewpoint in between. Unfortunately we all get the same label - "FEMINIST".

    Secondly, these "feminists" that you refer to are more than likely approaching their opposition to stripclubs from both a political and from a sex worker exploitation perspective much more so than anything about jealousy concerning their husbands or boyfriends going to a club.
    THIS. I don't appreciate the contempt some feminists have toward any kind of sex work, but I think it stems primarily from a (misinformed) belief that *all* sex work is inherently degrading and predatory.

    There is a long historical precedent for the exploitation and/or enslavement of women for sex (and it's still a problem on a massive scale), but I don't think that's a good enough reason to assume that stripping/escorting/etc. is always problematic. Some folks are against stay-at-home mothering because it used to be the case that virtually all women had no choice in the matter. Some folks are against polyamory because it used to be that almost all of those relationships were dramatically patriarchal and asymmetric, with each woman expected to be solely devoted to her husband while he maintained relationships with as many women as he liked. I'd argue that none of these things - being a sex worker, a stay-at-home mom, or polyamorous - are necessarily good OR bad for women. It depends entirely on the circumstances and the desires of the women involved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simone87 View Post
    yes, most women do have problems with strippers because of this, correct..although not correct to assume that another stripper is out of bounds not wanting her own boyfriend going in. we got there to MAKE money, not because we enjoy grinding on random dudes. and that's different than a guy going in there to SPEND money on another girl because he enjoys it. i don't want my boyfriend going into strip clubs...
    So you can work in one but he can't visit one? Sounds kinda borderline double standard!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will View Post
    So you can work in one but he can't visit one? Sounds kinda borderline double standard!
    it sounds like it, but i explained why its not..i mean i don't care if he goes there for bachelor parties with friends or family but i don't want him visiting me because thats just a disaster waiting to happen and i don't want him spending his money on other women because that would mean there is something probably wrong with our relationship. i go there to earn money and then go right back home to him

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    Quote Originally Posted by Will View Post
    So you can work in one but he can't visit one? Sounds kinda borderline double standard!
    Really? Frankly Will I find it hard to believe that you've been reading and participating here since 2005 and you still don't understand that the end game for a dancer vs. the end game for a customer are vastly different. Anyhow, congrats on being the first male poster on this thread to "go there" with the old "double standard" argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    Really? Frankly Will I find it hard to believe that you've been reading and participating here since 2005 and you still don't understand that the end game for a dancer vs. the end game for a customer are vastly different. Anyhow, congrats on being the first male poster on this thread to "go there" with the old "double standard" argument.
    Why thank you. Will my award be in the mail?

    As she said it, yup, sounded hair line close to a double standard to me (with silly faces add to indicate I was just teasing really...) but I'm sure she'll appreciate your white knight statements in her defense and all that. I might be a long time poster, but very infrequent visitor to SCs, so...

    Anyway I'll take the on this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will View Post
    Why thank you. Will my award be in the mail?

    As she said it, yup, sounded hair line close to a double standard to me (with silly faces add to indicate I was just teasing really...) but I'm sure she'll appreciate your white knight statements in her defense and all that. I might be a long time poster, but very infrequent visitor to SCs, so...

    Anyway I'll take the on this one.
    White Knight? I wasn't defending her Will, she can do that all by herself...

    I'll clarify since you are an infrequent SC customer. The girls go there to work. It's a job that they get paid to do. Customers go there to spend money and either flirt with, stare at or grope beautiful women that are total strangers to them. If a dancer didn't charge for her services there might be a double standard but since she does there isn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Will View Post
    So you can work in one but he can't visit one? Sounds kinda borderline double standard!
    we are there to make money, to support ourselves, and dont draw pleasure from everything that actually happens at work. I disassociate during dances as do most dancers.

    guys are there to get off.

    of course it is different!

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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    If a dancer didn't charge for her services there might be a double standard but since she doesn't there isn't.
    This statement makes more sense if you replace the word "doesn't" with "does". Minor nit pick, I personally agree in spirit: no double standards here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charlotte. View Post
    guys are there to get off.
    of course it is different!
    If by "get off" you mean orgasm/ejaculate, then no. Maybe for a small number (perhaps growing?) of customers yes. I personally have never taken my experiences that far and I don't plan to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FasaCorp View Post
    If by "get off" you mean orgasm/ejaculate, then no. Maybe for a small number (perhaps growing?) of customers yes. I personally have never taken my experiences that far and I don't plan to.
    by 'get off' I'm sure she means being sexually titillated in one way or another, not orgasm/ ejaculate. It's a bit patronizing telling dancers why men do and don't go to the club. We are well aware of their reasons.

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    Will, you know I adore you and think you are a great poster but I do see Simone's point. When I was dancing I didn't want my boyfriends to go to a club because for me it was money but for him it was pleasure. In many cases the pleasure means doing things that normally people do in relationships like kissing, touching the boobs, etc. Not to mention that some women think "he's spending money at the club which means less for me". Whereas a dancer goes "I am dancing to make money".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    Will, you know I adore you and think you are a great poster but I do see Simone's point. When I was dancing I didn't want my boyfriends to go to a club because for me it was money but for him it was pleasure. In many cases the pleasure means doing things that normally people do in relationships like kissing, touching the boobs, etc. Not to mention that some women think "he's spending money at the club which means less for me". Whereas a dancer goes "I am dancing to make money".
    Completely agree. When a guy goes to the club I feel like it is because there is something lacking in his relationship causing him to crave the intimacy and attention you get at a strip club. Whereas I only work for the money, it doesn't satisfy any emotional need... except perhaps the need to be a rich bitch

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    In the UK some councils are campaigning to stop strip clubs opening. They are being compared to other vice outlets such as gambling shops and fast food restaurants and therefore seen as lowering the standard of the area and thus property prices So i don't think all arguments against strip clubs come from a moral standpoint, there are lots of economic arguments against them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    Will, you know I adore you and think you are a great poster but I do see Simone's point. When I was dancing I didn't want my boyfriends to go to a club because for me it was money but for him it was pleasure. In many cases the pleasure means doing things that normally people do in relationships like kissing, touching the boobs, etc. Not to mention that some women think "he's spending money at the club which means less for me". Whereas a dancer goes "I am dancing to make money".
    It's all good, I was just being a wise ass and poking fun. Yes, I see the point that one is there to work and make $$$ and the other there for entertainment and to spend $$$$. I do think there's some interesting irony in the position there but it was interesting to see how the dancers view it from their perspective.

    For example, change the profession to waitress. You work at restaurant to make $$$ and he goes to restaurant to enjoy the food and spend $$$. A statement like "I work in a restaurant but don't like to see my man in a restaurant" would be ironic to me at least. I know, response will be "Will you stupid man, it's different!" and I'm not denying that, but that's what irony was to me in terms of the statement itself.
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    I get off by separating men from their money. If theyre woman has an issue with that well shes none of my concern really.

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    Men come into strip clubs of their own volition. It's not like we're out their soliciting men behind their SO's backs to come in and see us. Do I think it's okay that men lie to their wives or girlfriends about coming to strip clubs? No, I don't. I think it's dishonest and immoral. Yes, there are lots of women out there who couldn't handle honesty from their partners. But the guys know that, and if they choose to date women who had an active problem with something they like to do, that's not my problem. God knows plenty of women lie, too. People lie, and people are bad in relationships, regardless of gender. If a guy chooses to come into my club, whatever he's told his wife or girlfriend, I'm going to give him a good time and make him feel special and relaxed (as long as he's spending money and not treating me badly). That's my job. Everyone deserves to be happy even for a little bit, and everyone deserves to feel a special connection with the opposite sex, regardless of whether or not it's fabricated on my part.

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    Perfect..

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