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    Default Possibility of Too Many Clubs???

    So I'm driving home from work and see neon lights for "Elite Cabaret" and flags advertising "now open". Apparently what was a music venue is now a strip club.
    This puts us at 8 strip clubs in a 9 mile radius.... the same number of clubs I'm aware of in Las Vegas.... which is, of course, a giant tourist town with the ability to support them all. Phoenix is defnitely not. These are not divey little bars that just happen to have strippers either, they are bona fide, decent-attempt-at-elegant, clubs.
    This little 9 mile radius is also not the only option in the Phoenix conglomerate for strip clubs either, so it's not like people come from the north/west/south; those areas all have 2 or 3 clubs a piece as well.

    I'm wondering if this is going to dilute the customer base.... i.e., instead of dividing customers between 3 clubs, now they're divided among 8... thus slowing business down even more (and it's been BAD lately due to summer approaching; a terrible time to open one, IMO).

    What do you guys think of this? How many clubs does your town have and do you feel the population can support them enough?
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    Default Re: Possibility of Too Many Clubs???

    in London and a few other big cities in the UK there are now too many clubs and business is bad.
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    Default Re: Possibility of Too Many Clubs???

    i can think of 9 that have opened in the last 9 years in London its a joke!
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    lol there are way more than 8 clubs in lv! and some of the clubs are massive with up to 400 girls at a time. in the greater la area there are more than 100 clubs I think but so many of then are small so its fine. I highly doubt the clubs in az are all huge. that being said I read here that the clubs are all doing $10 dances over there so fuck that!!

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    Default Re: Possibility of Too Many Clubs???

    ^^ Well, I'm going by major ones that you can list off without Googling them... SR, Sapphire, Hustler, etc. 400 girls, sure, but there are a zillion people in LV all the time, that are there with the intention of blowing money on gambling and drinking and women. From what I've heard, their slow season is like our busy season just due to the size and mentality LV commands. Phoenix? No... people come for events January through March and then it's basically slow the rest of the year because it's 120 effing degrees May through October >_<

    The dancer/customer ratio has been fucked up since I've been back the last few months as well; it's now probably 3 girls to each customer. It's like the clubs are hiring to accomodate the girls, and everybody wants to be a damn stripper. I dunno, I just feel like that alone is enough indication that the market is saturated with girls and clubs. And yes, they are doing $10 dances, which pisses me off to think about. It's BS. In addition, with the $10 dances, nobody wants to go to VIP anymore because it is now even cheaper just to stay on the floor... Much harder to talk someone into $200/half hour when it's half that much to just stay on the floor and they damn well know it.

    Grah sorry, rant over.
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    that's lv slow season too, same exact weather. and yah tons of people come to lv but the clubs aren't on the strip or in the hotels or anything, so guys aren't just wandering in after winning all the time. all the clubs are far off of the strip, most of them are surrounded by trailer parks!!! so guys have to take taxis and purposely come.

    anyway, if you still think lv is guaranteed $ then why dont you just come over? az is really close.

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    Default Re: Possibility of Too Many Clubs???

    New Jersey is like this, too. Especially in the north metro area where I live, it seems like there's a club literally every mile. I'm thinking of driving out west to try a club that's the only one in a twenty mile radius, there's just too many clubs, too many dancers and not enough customers around here lately. I feel your pain.
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    Explain the mentality of one owner opening 5+ all within a half hour of each other, that pretty much all suck too, lmao, I'll never get why he couldn't of pooled his finances in making one really good club instead of 5 something dives

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    Default Re: Possibility of Too Many Clubs???

    i guess at least you'd have your pick of clubs! out here there seems to only one good option , unless you want to drive out of state..it does seem dumb of them to put them so close together though. what i mind the most is the incredible amount of newbies these clubs are hiring..its getting flooded.

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    I'm in Phoenix too which is why I clicked on this! I was thinking the same thing! Phoenix is always bad during the summer so it's all about having/keeping regulars. There are a lot of clubs but if you stick with the same one or get regular's contact information you should be fine. What club are you working at now?

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    I'm pretty sure this is the experience in most places now. The only real way to make good money as a dancer is to travel to areas. The issue is that most clubs have too many girls, so if you are always traveling where it is "season" then there will be good money to be made year round versus a few months out the year. Every place has "season" and some are more lucrative than others.

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    In the Detroit area there are about 35 clubs... but I'd name about 7 to be the "top clubs" in the area that are actually worth trying (more upscale, white-collar clientele, etc). Most of them I wouldn't go to. Obviously if there were less clubs the customers would be densely populated in them, so each club would have more customers, but also each club would have a lot more girls. The fact that there's so many gives girls clubs to choose from; if one is slow, there might be one that's doing better so you work there a little bit. When that club gets slow, as most clubs eventually do, you go back to the other one if things have picked up.
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    Aw girl, I saw that too and was really shocked. I'm at one of the nearby clubs. I really don't see it affecting business too much especially since you are at a big-name club that is known for being elegant. That place looks like a dump in the middle of nowhere between a freeway and the Indian reservation. Summer sucks no matter what but this will be my 4th summer dancing in Phoenix and last summer felt like it hardly affected me. Also, IMO, April is the WORST month out of the summer months. Obviously the key is regulars. Be nice to the guys who are always at the bar "not spending" all year because they will eventually get drunk and crack under pressure and spend on you or maybe at the very least buy you a drink and chat with you if the club is completelllllly dead. It also has really helped me to stick to a regular schedule and to have a phone to text regulars. I think a lot of girls in Phoenix jump from club to club in the summer looking for where the money's at, and thus rendering it nearly impossible to establish regulars. I hope that your summer is very profitable for you!!!

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    Do you think it'd help your mentality to work at a couple of clubs? That'd help keep you more interested (change of environment), and might also help with the understandable paranoia that other clubs may be doing better.

    Since you know Phoenix, you probably have a better sense of which clubs guys will be going to, anyway. Which club has the best reputation in town? Which club can you see from the bigger/well-traveled streets in town? If you were a drunk dude, how would you quickly find a club to go to? If you google "strip club Phoenix," which websites appear first on the page, and which of those clubs is most accessible to customers who may not have cars with them? Is there a cluster of hotels that's closer to one of the clubs than the others? Which club advertises prominently? Is one of the clubs nude (niche) whereas the rest are topless? Does one club promote an event once a week that might draw customers?

    I'd also consider checking out clubs that aren't all flashing lights and big advertisements. Definitely keep the nice club as your home club, but maybe find a divier place where you could dance once a week? Dives, depending on their location, can sometimes provide more consistent money, though less money. And they're often lower-pressure than upscale clubs. So even if you make less money, you feel good about it, because you're in more of a family environment with fewer rules and regulations (which, depending on management, can be either a good or a bad thing). One member on here, Tina, makes a living off of dives in rural locations. Big fish, small pond. I find her perspective pretty inspiring. Example thread: https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...ghtly-earnings

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    This thread has some good custie-side opinions. Looks like Hi-Liter is a big hitter.

    https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...9039-AZ-Clubs/

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    Yeah, I don't understand the mentality either. I mean, I would open one in the city about 20 miles east where there isn't one but the people have money. Why all in the same 10 mile Phoenix radius?
    Today I cruised Craigslist and saw hiring for a "gentlemen's club" which involves go-go dancers (wtf?) Is this a bunch of dudes with money thinking strip clubs are their ticket to riches?

    My school and volunteer work schedule makes it hard for me to have a set schedule, but that has its advantages as I am always new to somebody. I don't plan on club jumping as there really is no point during summer, and I'd rather stay in one place with the way things change so rapidly in this world. I also like working in the big chain club because I know we are probably on good terms with the law due to the owner's "dealings" with them... I dont want to worry about undercover cops and whatnot too much.

    Really I was just interested in if this had affected anyone else's city. It does seem to affect things here at my club, to both a positive and negative in terms of mileage; my club is uber strict now, and any guy who doesn't like sitting on his hands is going to pick one of the 8 other clubs. So it weeds out customers, but some of them are probably custies we don't want anyway.

    Regarding Vegas; I'm convinced there is always money to be made in any club with customers. I am planning on coming up anyway; I know it's slow season, but frankly just the dances being $20 and not $10 is incentive for me. Summer is also the only time I have 3 or 4 days in a row where I can go up there to really work. It's only a 4 hour drive and I have friends there, so no hotel expenses for me either.
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    lv hotels are far cheaper than driving 4 hours each way.

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    It seems like this could be a good or at least okay thing if the clubs were located in walking distance of each other - that way guys could club hop. But having so many clubs spread over a large area...not good.

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