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    I want to become a stripper but I haven't yet. I always thought that dancing was completely private if you're smart about it. But now I've been lurking on this site and reading about 1099s, background checks, etc. My question is: who exactly can find out about this? I know my National Guard unit probably can't, they are 300 miles away from where I live and they don't care about anything anyway. But what if for some reason I need to get a higher security clearance and they do a new background check? Will the military be able to know I've danced? I know it's not technically illegal under UCMJ, but I have a feeling it could really screw me over. You know how people can be. Also I plan on going to medical school. Could this ruin my chance of becoming a doctor? Certainly there are other soldier/pre med dancers?

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    don't go to a club where they 1099 you or pay you as an employee..ill never go to a club where im 1099ed for that very reason, among others. as for being spotted, its always a danger yes.. although a lot of girls strip a ways away from their hometown. i worked with an army girl, buzz cut and all she was KILLER on the pole and actually toured around

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    I'm not worried about being spotted, my unit is 300 miles away from where I'd be dancing. I'm worried about a future background check. How do taxes normally work with stripping? Also, can a club's background check or a dancing license be detected in the future by other agencies?

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    im really not familiar with the whole license thing, my state doesn't require it or any of the ones i've stripped in. i pay taxes under section C as a small business owner and i don't say that i've danced..they have a category for free-lance writers/entertainers/ miscellaneous sort of for tax forms. i never say im a dancer, and i have no w2 or 1099.

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    They can find out if they really want to especially with a top security clearance. They even contact your old teachers when issuing them. Trust me, they can and will find out if they really want to. Also, there may be soldiers who travel to that club, 300 miles away or not. Also, I thought every club will start issuing 1099s? I'm not trying to scare you OP but Uncle Sam can find out anything. I don't really think they'd care if you were honest but I know personally that security clearances can be a PITA because they are mainly worried about the enemy blackmailing clearance holders and making the military look bad.

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    You'll be completely fine following simone's advice. Stripping isn't illegal and there's no trail if you play it safe which it seems like you are. There's lots of ex-strippers in the military. Just don't do it while you're serving at the same time and you'll be fine. You can not be disqualified for stripping BEFORE you joined but if any of the guys in your unit happen to know later on will give you hell for it since they'll get mad since having been a sex worker doesn't mean you'll have sex with them. But the rumor should die down quickly after they realize you're there to work.

    Stripping won't mess with a pre-med thing either.

    But keep in mind if anyone looks hard enough anything can be uncovered eventually. If you don't want to take the risk don't even start. The rest of us here have already started so we'll just have to roll the dice when it comes to that.
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    Sorry, I wasn't clear. I am *currently* a soldier in the Army National Guard. I'm not worried about my current unit finding out. I'll be very specific: I am trying to go to selection to be on a cultural support team (female engagement team) and I am worried that if my security clearance needs to be upgraded, dancing will be uncovered through taxes, club licenses or other paper trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jane1993 View Post
    Sorry, I wasn't clear. I am *currently* a soldier in the Army National Guard. I'm not worried about my current unit finding out. I'll be very specific: I am trying to go to selection to be on a cultural support team (female engagement team) and I am worried that if my security clearance needs to be upgraded, dancing will be uncovered through taxes, club licenses or other paper trails.
    Hell no do not do it. I have a special interest in this topic so I've researched this to death.lol Military guys travel 300 miles is not far. Maybe that'd be far away to hide it from folks in your hometown but not military guys. They're often SC junkies.

    Stripping while serving is the perfect way to get dismissed. It happens to girls all the time. Don't do it. If you want to strip wait until you get out. Don't screw up your chance for your security clearance either.

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    Ugh, I have 5 years left and I need money now. Well, thanks for your advice and I'll give all of this some thought.

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    Aw :[ That really stinks. I hope you can think of something. Could you maybe waitress at an expensive restaurant or bar? I don't know where you live but there's lots of sexy jobs that don't involve anything that's sex industry related.

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    I live in a very big city with hundreds of jobs but nothing with money like stripping...I mean does ANY job for an uneducated woman pay like stripping? I've been a waitress for ten years. When I joined the ARNG I swore I'd never do it again, it is just so awful. Obviously I'll go back to waitressing before I starve, but I want to exhaust ALL other resources first. I need to get out of my comfort zone, you know? I haven't given up on dancing, but I appreciate your brainstorming.

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    ^ shot girl or massage girl at a strip club? or would any employment in a strip club be a fire-able offense?

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    Hmm well that's a start. At least you're in a big city so you have options. There is something out there you just have to find it. You could give the SD thing a try since you are in a big city. You'll have much better luck actually going out than trying online.

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    I should reiterate this too: it is not illegal for me to dance as a National Guard soldier. UCMJ doesn't apply to reserve component soldiers when off duty. I'm not going to get discharged for dancing.

    My ONLY concern is going to selection for the female engagement team, someone from the selection process uncovering my dancing, and that person not selecting me based on their own personal opinions. These will be people who work for the Special Operations Command many thousands of miles away and will not see my face while they're reviewing my paperwork. The ONLY way they can find out is through a paper trail, so my ONLY question is what kind of a paper trail does stripping leave?

    I am also concerned with getting selected for the FET team, going through security clearance and getting denied the clearance I need because of dancing. Like Kortney said, it could mean I'm a security risk or something.

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    if you value your military career, don't do it plan and simple. there really is no debate. even if you aren't issued 1099s you can still get caught, wouldn't be the first time. if that is a risk you are willing to take then fine but there is no foul proof way to strip while in any type of military service. and even if you weren't "technically" doing anything wrong if any other girls find out they will hate you for no reason and your work life will be hell. there are other ways to make money.
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    There are a ton of girls in the National Guard who are also strippers and it's common knowledge. It's a non-issue because UCMJ works differently for reserve components...there's nothing to get "caught" doing because it's not illegal or even questionable for a reserve soldier. The difference between me and those other girls though, is that they aren't going to selection for a female engagement team and therefore won't need a higher security clearance.

    I think I'm just going to call a strip club tomorrow and ask about paper trails, and then I'm going to call a Special Forces recruiter and ask about background checks for FET teams. That would be easier than trying to explain UCMJ.

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    i'm aware of the military's rules my bf served for almost 10 ten years now, 8 of those active duty and is currently in the guard. i am not saying you will get fired i am saying it will hurt your career. do what you want i'm outta this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jane1993 View Post
    There are a ton of girls in the National Guard who are also strippers and it's common knowledge. It's a non-issue because UCMJ works differently for reserve components...there's nothing to get "caught" doing because it's not illegal or even questionable for a reserve soldier. The difference between me and those other girls though, is that they aren't going to selection for a female engagement team and therefore won't need a higher security clearance.

    I think I'm just going to call a strip club tomorrow and ask about paper trails, and then I'm going to call a Special Forces recruiter and ask about background checks for FET teams. That would be easier than trying to explain UCMJ.
    I don't think it's smart and to be blunt really stupid but it's up to you. Our society hates women but they never punish men who feed this industry that's how the world works. I don't care if it's technically legal for UCMJ it will bite you somewhere down the line but that's ultimately up to you. You will get crap for it.

    Military men hate military women for some reason. They're all considered "sluts" or "bitches". You can't win for losing. You're a "slut" if you have sex when even just one person on base and you're a "bitch" if you never put out.

    Its bad enough that some girls sleep around to get promoted or pregnant on purpose to get out early don't make it hard for yourself by doing something like this. The women around you will hate you since they think you're tainting the military chick image.

    I'm out of here too. I've said my piece.lol

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    Very true. As a spouse I still see it. We have it rough already, you see how long it took for them to finally let us go into combat. And they are still jealous that we don't have to do as many exercises to pass a pt test. You really don't need another reason for them to treat you like shit. Most of the married spouses I know are ex military themselves and their husbands made them get out for stupid reasons. They will find out. But good luck with whatever decision you make.

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    Well, I talked to an officer today and guess what...it's all moot because I already have a secret clearance. Haha. So anything I do at this point is irrelevant because I won't have another background check ever.

    I am so sorry you all have the picture of women in the military that you do. Before I joined I thought it was like that too...stereotyping, constant sexual assault, no opportunities and legal persecution. It's not though. There are isolated incidents and possibly entire units where the sexism you describe is a problem. I can tell you though there are thousands and thousands of people who are NOT like that. I'm not trying to tell you that your opinions are wrong, of course they are not. I mean instead to be reassuring. And to give some insider perspective from a soldier. There are strippers in my unit. They are accepted. That's why my only concern was the SOCOM selection, but that's moot because I won't be getting another background check.

    Well, thank you again for your perspective and advice and everything. This board is so great. I have a lot to think about and I will make the right decision I'm sure, between all the advice I receive between you guys and Army personnel.

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    Ugh...just read the thread again and wanted to say one more time...it really breaks my heart that you've seen women treated the way you have. Please if any of you as spouses hear of incidents like those again, urge the women in question to talk to their SHARP and EO reps and the NCOs responsible for handling their affairs. That kind of bullshit needs to stop, that is not my Army. Female soldiers have come such a long way, especially in this last year. Every female deserves to be in one of the units like mine, serving beside brothers who would never judge or harm them.

    I'm so sorry that dancers are persecuted as well. I believe your jobs are sacred and important. I have seen the way men and women are healed by sex and attention. Especially in trauma victims like combat veterans, a strip club can be a powerful source of comfort. It is surprising that ANY member of the military would have something bad to say about a stripper, as the soldier and the sex worker have been best friends since the dawn of time. I can only keep working for change though.

    But I will spare my hippie ideals now! Thank you all again for your words of advice and thank your husbands for their service.

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    I hope you find a club! I know of a girl who stripped while serving in the guard. It's doable.
    Find a place that doesn't require a dancer license and doesn't issue paperwork for taxes. If you want no paper trail, it'll eliminate 50% of the clubs out there. BUT ... there are clubs who don't require paperwork ( I know, I've worked in 8 states ) .

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    I'm not sure what level of clearance you need to work for the VA hospital, but I do know of a couple former dancers who received the security clearance for that after stripping and having licenses for stripping in multiple states. This is, however, before medical and military employment. So no, it won't fuck you over in the future. The girl who told me this said they basically just wanted to make sure everything in her applications and criminal history lined up.

    As far as doing it during service: They can't dismiss you for it and even if you needed another BC, it would be ignored most likely, UNLESS you have some kind of "moral conduct" clause. If so, I would outright ask your higher-up if stripping is violating that clause. If you do have that clause, you WILL get trouble and are very well risking a dishonorable discharge.

    Everyone else is right in saying that if you do get walked in on by your fellow soldiers, you will never hear the end of it. Whether it dies down into just teasing or follows you and affects you negatively if you want to apply for higher positions, there's no way to tell.
    If you're willing to take the risks, go for it. Just check into the "moral conduct" clause thoroughly; better safe than sorry.
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    I do it with no problems. With security clearance and all. Not just me, but several other reservist (like me) do it too. However, I want to get out soon. Been in for over four years.





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    If you need a TS clearance in the future you will be interviewed by OSI, you better tell them because they will find out. If you need a permit you're that much more visible, now there's a record. And yes, it is against UCMJ to dance while active duty. I know because I was in 4 years, worked intel, and was friends with a girl who danced before and after joining and got into some trouble when someone ratted her out.

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