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    Question "Entry fee" hustle for VIP areas?

    I just started at a new club that has a more complex pricing setup than what I'm used to dealing with, and I figure you ladies would have some smart suggestions.

    The deal is that I keep all of the money I make from the dances I sell. And the club has a minimum recommendation for dance prices, but I set my own prices. Which is kind of cool, because I can adjust the price depending on the particular night and customer.

    1) I'm planning on selling floor dances for $10 and VIP dances for $20, or $250/hh, maybe $400/h? Would you recommend a different pricing structure? This is a fairly nice topless club. Not crazy-nice, but definitely not a dive. It's nice enough where customers will spend some money without feeling like a couple hundred bucks is way out of the club's league. The VIP area is pretty and secluded (an easy upsell from floor dances), but the club doesn't have a champagne room package (where the customer gets free drinks, etc.)

    2) Can anyone find that thread where someone talks about how to make your own champagne room in a club that doesn't have one?

    3) The complex part is that the VIP area has entry fees depending on how long the customer spends in there. $15 for 15 minutes (+ dance prices), $25 for 30 minutes, and $35 for an hour. The money I get off of dances during that time period all goes to me, whether I sell zero or twenty. Would you pay this entry fee for the customer (one girl in the club says she does this, but that seems crazy to me)? Would you package the VIP dances up into a half-hour/full-hour VIP price and not even mention the entry fee? Or would you sell it as an entry fee and then charge for dances on top of that?

    I guess I just don't understand how this makes sense from the customer's perspective. Like, if I were taking a girl up to VIP to buy dances, why would I need to pay a fee just to get into that area? I'd find the deal much more attractive with a simple pricing structure: i.e. "VIP room that's $200/hh" and then I use the $200 to pay off the silly entry fee...

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    At my club it's $20 topless table dances, $30 nude dances upstairs, & $375/hr for blocks of time(dancer keeps $300). There's a wristband they have to buy for the upstairs area, $30 - I describe it as a 'one-time payment, good for all nite.' If they start to get hungup on that wristband price, I stress that it's only a one-time payment, a bit like reserving a space upstairs, since he can stay up there all nite if he wants or come&go w/ different girls, so that all the $$ he is spending on his entertainment (private time w/ me) all goes to the one who is entertaining him. You might be able to adapt this approach to your situation, or just make your quote w/ the entry fee included as I do when pitching hr blocks (it's $375/hr & it covers dances, break songs, skip-stage fees, incidentals.) We don't have a separate champagne area as it's a BYOB club, I just do my hr blocks in the private rather than 'common' area upstairs.

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    I started a thread about selling blocks of time a while back. Not many replies, but if that's the post you're referring to: https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/ar.../t-146080.html

    Include the entry fee in your pricing structure. Not in a way where you're eating the cost, but just so you're giving the customer one figure and not trying to explain an entry fee to him. I think it gets too confusing otherwise. If you want the $250/hh, charge him $280. If you want $400/h, charge him $440. I like that you're making the hour a clearly better deal for yourself, so stick with that idea no matter how you play with the exact numbers. Maybe have a 15 minute "taste" option (ie. they can't pay for another 15 minutes after at the same price, but have to go for the hh or hour) for someone who is on the fence for $130. You still come out ahead but it seems like a steal at less than half the price of the hh.

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    ^Thanks for responding! I was hoping you'd chime in - you've been giving killer advice lately.

    What do you think about my pricing structure? Should I also have a single dance option in the VIP area, for $20? Or should I make VIP only for blocks of time and use the floor for single dances?

    Right now I'm thinking...(I'd pay the entry fee out of the following figures and not mention it to the customer)

    15 min = $100
    30 min = $200
    60 min = $350 ("lower price" encourages them to buy an hour but is still a great deal for me since I get nearly all of that money)

    Do you think those prices are too low?? Do they make sense? Should I adjust them to the customer? This whole "set your price" business has great potential, but it's freaking me out a bit right now...

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    your prices sound too cheap. I would do $20 dances, 3/$100 vip, and half hours for $300. I would not charge an additional room fee, but I obv would incourage tipping.

    the more private area is your cr. you dont need to call it a cr, I usually just call it private room or a more private area. many clubs are deceivint about their so called crs which are actually non private booths so the term cr has really lost meaning with most girls and guys.

    if girls are really setting their own prices, im assuming the guys will catch on. ive worked at clubs like this and I always charge my worth and if a guy says another girl said its less then I just tell him hes lying. if they pressure for a super cheap price ill finally agree in a vague way (like "ok, fine, $100), take their money, do the normal amount of time I would have done initially, and if they notice at the end (they usually dont) I tell them "I told u it was 3/$100" it works.

    or if everyone is undercharging then I will say I dont do floor dances or whatever. that prevents guys from trying to get the most out of $20 and a lot of the cheapos end up getting frustrated that they are not interested in anyone but me so they will consent to the higher price.

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    I'd say use the floor for single dances and VIP only for blocks of time, because otherwise it gets confusing with the entry fee + per dance cost. Plus it gives the VIP another selling point.

    Have you worked many shifts at this club? Like, do you think the clientele could sustain higher prices? Do other girls charge significantly less? It's probably going to be a bit of trial and error to figure out what works best for your club. You could also come up with different tiers on your own, though then you get into a complicated menu... Like the $350/h is the super basic, hour of your company with conversation and dancing. $500/h, on the other hand, gets them a wild fun time with a couple of drinks - or, depending on the client, a more intimate and sensual encounter with champagne/wine. You could try and sell that first, and if they balk at the price, offer them the $350/h. Just frame it as a different option rather than negotiating down.

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    Default Re: "Entry fee" hustle for VIP areas?

    ^Great advice.

    I haven't worked there yet! Tomorrow is my first shift. I'm trying to get all of this figured out to make my hustle consistent. I want the numbers to all be in my head so I'm not stumbling over my hustle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    ^Great advice.

    I haven't worked there yet! Tomorrow is my first shift. I'm trying to get all of this figured out to make my hustle consistent. I want the numbers to all be in my head so I'm not stumbling over my hustle.
    you should ask the girls what they charge. its probable that all of the girls charge roughly the same price and will pick you apart if they hear you are doing something different.

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    Default Re: "Entry fee" hustle for VIP areas?

    ^Smart. Though from what I've heard, the girls don't really sell blocks of time. And prices do range from a minimum (the entry fee) to a much higher per-dance fee (one girl is charging $35/dance in VIP).

    I'd rather sell blocks of time for higher prices since I feel that the block of time is what makes the higher price "worth it." I'm skeptical of what girls are doing in 3 minutes that makes $35 "worth it" to the customer (I could be wrong, but I'm just sayin').

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    in ca many nude clubs have tiered dances so a bikini dance is $20 but topless and nude are higher. ive done plenty of $40 and $60 3 min dances...to those guys its worth it for the additional nudity.

    that being said, I think its way easier to sell a 3/$100 than a $35 dance and the hassle you have to go thru of getting up, settling in a new area, paying the room fee, etc would make a single dance not worth it to me. to go thru that much effort and wasting that much time would only be worth it for $100 or more. the one really nice thing about setting your own prices is that you could sell a 3/$100, do it, ask the guy if he wants to keep going and if he does but doesnt have another $100 you can take whatever he has and dance for an appropriate amount of time. bam another song instantly for $40 or something, that stuff really adds up. I do this all the time if a club takes a cut but doesnt do a good job of tracking dances or kicking girls out on time

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    Fwiw I typically charge $100/15min for what Shanna once called an unofficial vip. I started doing that in a club that had a truly piss-poor vip setup (charging the customer smtg like $400 for a couple hrs' use of a private room, but not allowing a girl to be bought off the floor for that time. I could stay in there for as long as he wanted me but still had to do stage, & only got abt half of whatever the room price was). At my current club, since as I said an hr is $375, I mention the $100/15min & use that to upsell.

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    The girls will probably tell you what to charge. In my experience, girls will tell you that they charge a little more than they do....

    It is great to stay on par with everyone, so I wouldn't put much thought into it beforehand. Def make the price inclusive, it is just easier for them.

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    Reviving thread because my club just initiated this stuff....

    So now it's $10 downstairs, plus a $20 wristband to get upstairs where they then pay $20 a dance. I guess this has been in place for a week or so, but every single dude I sat with last night was immediately like "What is this wristband bullshit?" and was well aware the club was pocketing all of it... a lot of them hold some animosity towards the club itself and don't want to support anyone but the dancers/waitresses. They also all know that the other clubs here that do have "VIP" dances don't charge an entry fee. So the whole wristband idea in itself was hard to get to accept.

    Then the problem is that people downstairs are still getting decent dances, so there's no incentive (the management is not really enforcing the "air dance" rule). Last night, 2 girls were holding court upstairs and were only getting guys up there because they were allowing ass-grabbing and tit-sucking, so if you go up there you're expected to compete with that.

    Soooooooo any suggestion of how to get around this?
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    ^Since it's not flying with the regulars, target the newcomers to the club for the wristband bullshit. That or amp up the confidence in how much better your dances are upstairs, and live up to that. Don't offer any contact downstairs, but don't offer too much like those other dancers do upstairs. That or sell blocks of time for upstairs and include the wristband fee in the total - again, likely easier with newcomers/tourists.

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    wowowowow...so different now....wristbands? entry fees??? man, I just cant sell something im not on board with, and not like the club cares, but talk about cutting into your profits . and ewwwww on the upstairs girls!!!!
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    @Shanna, I definitely left the regulars be, but most of our clientele seems to be once a month or so guys... so everyone has at least been there once before and knows this is new. So give it a month and we'll see how it's flying when word gets around.
    I gave up on the upstairs hustle last night because these bitches do it right on the balcony where the floor can see, so the guys I'm talking to are going "Can I lick your tits too?" *facepalm*

    I think the blocks of time bit is the best idea, the nickel-and-diming of paying cover, then buying drinks, then a wristband is the turn-off. Thanks!

    @Obscurity, you are obscure! Did you dance in my club?
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    I broke it down in this thread hun https://www.stripperweb.com/forum/sh...Rooms-Buyouts-!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selina M View Post
    @Shanna, I definitely left the regulars be, but most of our clientele seems to be once a month or so guys... so everyone has at least been there once before and knows this is new. So give it a month and we'll see how it's flying when word gets around.
    I gave up on the upstairs hustle last night because these bitches do it right on the balcony where the floor can see, so the guys I'm talking to are going "Can I lick your tits too?" *facepalm*

    I think the blocks of time bit is the best idea, the nickel-and-diming of paying cover, then buying drinks, then a wristband is the turn-off. Thanks!

    @Obscurity, you are obscure! Did you dance in my club?
    hahahahahahaha.....I meant just ..in general..the whole biz. wristbands/extras would have never flown back then at my club in Atlanta
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    ^^ I figured that after I thought about it for a minute! Haha! Blonde moment

    But nope, it ain't flyin' now. On Friday, two regulars told their girls they would not be back :/

    The focus is too much on the club losing money.... they do the dumbest shit that makes no sense. Like, they are trying to profit off this wristband crap, but then are turning away girls on Thu-Sat if they haven't worked 2 days before in the week, so they're losing out on the $40+ house fee per each girl they turn away. Most of the girls said "Fuck this!" and have moved clubs... They apparently pissed off enough of them that they didn't have enough girls on Saturday night and texted me to come in - I laughed hysterically and ignored them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Selina M View Post
    ^^ I figured that after I thought about it for a minute! Haha! Blonde moment

    But nope, it ain't flyin' now. On Friday, two regulars told their girls they would not be back :/

    The focus is too much on the club losing money.... they do the dumbest shit that makes no sense. Like, they are trying to profit off this wristband crap, but then are turning away girls on Thu-Sat if they haven't worked 2 days before in the week, so they're losing out on the $40+ house fee per each girl they turn away. Most of the girls said "Fuck this!" and have moved clubs... They apparently pissed off enough of them that they didn't have enough girls on Saturday night and texted me to come in - I laughed hysterically and ignored them.
    WOW! Who'd they model their business model after?? Cartoon Network? What a bunch of clowns!!! they're losing money hand over fist over "rules" that serve no good. craziness!!!!
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    Strip club management just baffles me. It's pretty obvious what customers want (no bullshit, good drinks, beautiful women), and it's pretty obvious what the dancers want (opportunities to upsell, no micromanaging, clean bathroom...). Why is it so difficult to find a happy medium on both sides?

    Things like tricky pricing charts clearly piss off both customers and dancers, so where is the gain? Incredibly selfish decision.

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    I mentioned this to my mngr last nite, when I happened upon him chatting w/ the dj (who is also pretty much our promotional mngr) abt promo stuff & other ways to improve the club. When I'm trying to sell customers on the upstairs dances, I find that across the board, the place where most of them balk is when they hear abt the wristband. I told my mngr this, & that if they took $5-$10 off the wristband price, the club would make it back in bulk. I've thought this for quite awhile but just was looking for the opportunity to bring it up. He said he would definitely give it sm consideration. Maybe bring this uo w/ your own mngr & see what they say?

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    The issue with my club seems to be that they don't want to charge us per dance (the club doesn't count dances and isn't set up to do so), but they want to make some money from customers for "renting" the space for dances. I understand what they're getting at, and I appreciate not having to pay the club per dance (my first four years, I had to pay over 25% of each dance back to the club), but the execution isn't quite right.

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    ^^ That's the same reasoning at my club. Just as a thought, since I'm pretty much in agreement w/ you that there's probably a better way to execute this - how would you go abt it? Or anyone else have another idea?

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    ^As I was typing that, I was thinking to myself "I really can't think of a better way to do this." Haha. I would much rather they have a bullshit entry fee than take a cut of every dance I sell...since counting dances just feels so micro-manage-y.

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