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    I was raised with a religious background. It was never shoved on me, however I have problems accepting aspects where there are major flaws in logic.

    One such problem I have is believing there is an afterlife or heaven. Of the many problems I have with this, the one pertinent to this issue is

    1. Those who do not accept God do not go to heaven

    Other members of my family are non religious and one of them is gravely ill. I am now struggling with whether I should continue dancing if statement 1 is incorrect and if heaven or some form of afterlife does exist. I don't particularly want my family knowing, even when deceased, that I dance. Nor do I want to have that conversation once I pass on, should heaven exist (and if it does, do I even go to heaven).

    Does anyone else struggle with this issue? And do you think that perhaps should heaven exist, that one would have a higher sense of understanding or comprehension and acceptance?

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    I think about this too! I think our spirits are different then we are here on earth but I am not sure how different or if our family will understand. I was at the strip club when my mom told me my grandpa died and I just kept thinking, what if he can see me right now? Ugh he would hate what I am doing. But his human self would hate it so I am not sure about his spirit self as I said I believe were different as spirits, they may have a much better understanding of why we do what we do and can see the whole picture better but who knows. Also, I am not sure how God is going to feel about all this either, I mean is what we do really that bad? I dont think it is that bad but then why does everyone else feel it is? Its not like what we do is hurting other people. We just flash for $$. if you think about it we are using our bodies, something we wont have when were in our afterlife to make money so maybe what we did with this "shell wont matter by the time the "shell" is gone. BTW I believe in God and heaven but I too struggle with the fact that those who dont accept God dont go to heaven, I am wondering if this wasnt a truth distorted by people through the years. I believe animals have souls too and I think they all go to heaven.

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    Glad to hear this is also on someone else's mind! How did you deal with those thoughts to continue dancing?

    I'm not sure what God thinks about it. You could technically list Salome as an exotic dancer depending on your viewpoint, and she isn't very much liked. If you are a Christian, you most likely believe in the second coming of Jesus, and hence the joining of our bodies with our souls (resurrection). Would it be a problem with our 'shell'?

    I don't think it's that bad either, however I think others perceptions play into my interpretation and hence why I hide it from most.

    I find the bible to be very contradicting. It is said in the bible that one cannot reach God without going through Jesus (my layman's terms), so if one does not accept Jesus before leaving this mortal life, what happens? You're also meant to repent upon your sins, however should I be repenting for my job? Should I be quitting now in case deceased family members can watch what is going on in my life?

    P.S. I also believe animals have souls, and I hope they go to heaven (if it exists), however they cannot choose to accept God, so that negates other things stated in the bible. if I can't be reunited with my believe pooches & feline, what is the point of an afterlife?

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    Re the idea of animals going to heaven, I believe w/ all my being that they have souls & they all go to heaven. I think they would be exempt from explicit acceptance of God, however, b/c their souls are much purer than ours. Animals do not have the sinful nature than humans do, & so they did not have the requirement of being saved as humans do. I don't think I am doing a good job of wording this but hopefully you see where I'm going w/ it.

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    I know you didn't ask for this, but I will give my theory. I believe we were created by extraterrestrials that people thousands of years ago thought of as "gods" because they could not explain their advanced technology and crazy capabilities. That being said, I know that when you die, (or at least some people who die?) you become an orb. A little round ball of energy that are often photographed in pictures. They can move things and even poach enough energy to talk if you record it.

    They need far too much energy to speak for the naked ear to hear, so its better if you record it. I know for certain this exists because I once went to a psychic and recorded the session, and when I played it back, the part about my brother, well he talked and said hello, something else I couldn't understand, and I love you. I could hear loud boot footsteps and they stopped right at the table I was sitting at with the psychic. I did not hear this during the initial session, only on my ipod that I recorded the session onto when I played it back.

    As for manifestation in ghost form, I'm not sure why some manifest and why some don't. I know some ghosts like to hang around old places they frequented though. Also, I see a lot of orbs at music festivals and like burning man in the pictures. I guess they tend to like spiritual things, things they can connect to, and things that were their own (i.e. their old house, favorite bar, where they are buried, etc.) I don't know why this happens though.

    And as for animals being spirits, I really have no idea. I'd like to think this is NOT the case considering so many are viciously slaughtered for their meat, fur, or just for fun with hunting. So I almost hope they don't have a soul. I think I remember reading from a Sylvia Brown book that the only animals that have souls are the ones that were attached to humans (kind of like a contact high I guess? lol), but I'm not sure because where do you draw the line? I would not be surprised if animals did have souls, but again it makes me really sad if they do because of how many billions live inhumane lives and are slaughtered. I stopped eating meat years ago when I realized this could be the case.

    Another theory I have is that maybe a lot of the demonic activity could come from animals souls that were viciously or inhumanely killed and they are very hostile about it. Who knows. I tend to believe that we are half animal, half extraterrestrial, and our soul is of extraterrestrial origin. So since animals are not of extraterrestrial origin (again who knows though), that they probably don't have souls.


    In regards to the bible and another ancient texts, well... Its all pretty much 1 religion, just the books represent different cultural contexts at the time. You can't have religion without a cultural context- and that's especially true with a written text. So I believe the bible and all those other texts are VERY outdated now because of technology. Technology has changed our culture. The bible doesn't even cover a lot of issues people go through and are exposed to today, so is it fair to continue to praise that text? In addition, the bible permits things that have been outlawed like marrying children (older men could marry like 12 year old girls if they wanted to), so again, its very outdated.

    If anything, today I would say the closest "religion" we could cling to as a society is spirituality. And there is no one text for that, and that's okay. That's the way it should be. Its basically a modern-day-culture version of all religions combined, minus the strict rules that are no longer applicable in a culture so different today from the time those texts were written.



    Finally, at the OP: Well, you already dance right? Well then they'll know whether you quit or not. Dancing isn't illegal, and IMO its not even immoral because its not YOUR fault if the man is married and his wife doesn't want him there- its his fault. You're doing absolutely nothing wrong. And for all you know (no disrespect), some of your relatives back in the day could have been prostitutes because that is the world's oldest profession.

    In addition, I also hear the afterlife is just nothingness until you are reborn into a new body or if you have reached your highest level of development, you stay in the nothingness. Its like the same state of mind as when you dream. You don't really think to have conversations, and you don't really ever talk. You mostly just know. Its totally based on intuition, emotions, and I guess like telepathy. But there is just non-judgement everywhere, and no one really cares. You're just there and kind of do whatever.

    Or, you are reborn into a new body, which I could also believe with the orb thing. In Catholicism and many other religions for that matter, there is a clause stating the soul enters the body around 43 days of conception or something like that. And even then, I hear that the soul goes in and out of the body until the moment in which you are born, so the soul is not even bound to the body until that point. The soul is the orb, if you didn't know.


    Anyway, this is all what I've read or heard though. But I've read at least part of all major texts, lots of books by psychics, psychics in person, forums, articles, coast 2 coast AM, things like that, and these are my best educated guesses based on the information I've come across and my own personal experiences.

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    So I am wondering, if we are rejoined with our bodies one day, why the hell are we buried 6 feet underground? LOL. I mean can you imagine waking up in this old body in a closed coffin you cannot get out of cuz your buried 6 feet under!? Scary as hell!! So I hope that dont happen, plus by the time we would be rejoined w the body we would be rotten skeletons...gross,, I hope this theory isnt true but who knows

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    I don't consider myself "religious" but I do believe in god... I sincerely believe that "god" will not condemn us and deny us heaven just for dancing. When you think about it, all we are doing is taking our clothes off and entertainging men for money; extremely mundane. I don't think god will have a problem with that. For those of you women who are spiritual, I think striving to be a "good person" and maintaining a "relationship" with "god" is more important that being on your p's and q's in terms of deciging whether or not to dance. Really, if god exists (which I do believe s/he/it does) I don't think that god will be so upset with us for dancing that we won't obtain that higher level of spirituality after we die. That'd just be silly.
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    The question you raise was what made me decide I didn't believe in god/religion when I was six. My father was terminally ill and not a good man, but I still didn't believe he deserved to suffer an eternity of hellfire or what have you. Since then, I've realized that that was a very narrow reason to become an atheist (there are hundreds of religions/gods people believe in--why become an atheist just because Christianity is screwy and hateful?), but I still maintain that I am not religious, do not believe in any particular god or gods, and do not think any would really give a damn if I made cash by pulling off some layers of fabric to reveal my flesh if they did exist. I fall more into "weak atheism," where I don't actively claim to have proof that god/s doesn't/don't exist. I just find it irrelevant to human life. I suppose I'm a secular humanist in the fact that I'm more concerned with people and the human experience on earth rather than any potential god/s or afterlife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tuesdaymarie View Post
    The question you raise was what made me decide I didn't believe in god/religion when I was six. My father was terminally ill and not a good man, but I still didn't believe he deserved to suffer an eternity of hellfire or what have you. Since then, I've realized that that was a very narrow reason to become an atheist (there are hundreds of religions/gods people believe in--why become an atheist just because Christianity is screwy and hateful?), but I still maintain that I am not religious, do not believe in any particular god or gods, and do not think any would really give a damn if I made cash by pulling off some layers of fabric to reveal my flesh if they did exist. I fall more into "weak atheism," where I don't actively claim to have proof that god/s doesn't/don't exist. I just find it irrelevant to human life. I suppose I'm a secular humanist in the fact that I'm more concerned with people and the human experience on earth rather than any potential god/s or afterlife.
    I totally get what you mean by that. I actually WISH I was an athiest, but too many paranormal things have happened to me. The EVP thing too. That could not have been my mind playing tricks on me because its recorded as solid proof of some entity that sounded like my brother's voice in ghost form.

    But I totally get what you mean. I feel like religion weighs so heavily on the concept on fate, and the whole ~*if its meant to happen, it will!*~. But... what about kids who starve to death in africa? Or little children that are beaten the death my child abusers? Or innocent people who die horrific deaths? Like... those people did NOT deserve that! That should NOT have been meant to be! And I highly doubt it was ~*meant to be*~. And I feel like its narcissistic, selfish, and delusional to believe in the concept of fate and "if its meant to happen, it will" like majority of abrahamic religion states (especially christianity). Like... its almost actually OFFENSIVE to me that people believe in it because its offensive to the innocent people who died brutally.

    However, I do kind of believe in the law of attraction. The law of attraction and prayer are basically the same thing. They work exactly the same way. A manipulation of energy. And since orbs are made up of energy (or at least use energy to manifest), it would make sense that we can kind of manipulate it in the direction we please in order to enhance the odds of getting what we want. Anyway. lol

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    I have had the exact same confusion and concerns in life. It used to really upset me. Now it usually doesn't, unless I'm in a bad mood. I believe the truth will set you free. The Bible, or most other religious texts for that matter, were written hundreds, or even thousands of years ago.. Languages have changed, dialects and cultures. Each of those books, in my opinion, would be huge subject to being mistranslated. There is a lot of condemnation in these religious texts. BUT like I said, I believe the truth will set you free. I don't know the whole truth, but I feel in my heart, and after all the research I have done.. I believe that God doesn't condemn anyone unless they are hurting other people.

    As far as being worried to discuss this with your family in Heaven,,, Heaven is a place of no worries, a place where your family would not judge anyone because they are carefree, unlike in this life.. And when you go to Heaven you will not be worrying about what other people think of you either. You will all be rejoicing and celebrating reuniting.

    However, it took a long time for me to come to this conclusion. If you feel that it is against your beliefs for men to lust after you, then you probably shouldn't be in this line of work because it could make you feel really terrible about yourself. Best wishes!
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    I still can't understand why people care about OTHER PEOPLE'S choices that don't affect them or hurt anyone. I go with the whole "ONE DAY WE ARE ALL GOING TO BE DEAD AND DUMB CRAP YOU CARED TOO MUCH ABOUT WON'T MATTER" and then they usually come to their senses. But its true. One day we will all be dead or dying or too old to function and the things you cared too much about won't matter, and the things you didn't care enough about (like FRIENDSHIPS) will be all you regret.

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    to me , heaven and hell is a human invention..most religions have this concept, "bad people we don't like to go hell (evil laugh, because at least we can be glad they'll get what's coming to them!) and people who don't believe exactly what i do go to hell..even if they've never been able to hear about my fantastic religion, yup, down to the fiery depths you go!! but people in my little clique will ALLL go to heaven where there's kittens and rainbows, so there's hope!" its all B.S to me. and even if it did exist, being a stripper wouldn't qualify you to be thrown in with pitch forks and brimstone.
    i'm a spiritualist of sorts though, no particular set in stone religion, but i do believe we have immortals souls that live on when we die. i believe it with everything in me..we pass on to see what our lives were like, work on things we didn't have time for, and we either go to a different dimension or we are reincarnated eventually. but don't let somebody scare you into believing something you don't like that, hell is a scare tactic

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    ^^^ Also with heaven and hell... morality is subjective. Like what if you REALLY hurt someone, but you were completely unaware of it? Or that person took something you said or did completely wrong? Or your intentions were good but it came off as bad? Or what about people with mental illnesses? Or other things that cause them to behave in a less-than-desirable way?

    Being a stripper is not wrong. You are not doing anything wrong. You were born into the world naked. In caveman era, there weren't even any clothes! And you cannot be responsible for the actions of other people (men)! And your intentions were to act and treat it as a job. Its not your fault if the customer thinks its reality when its not. Should actors and actresses be condemned for doing fake sex scenes even though its not reality? lol same logic though

    What I also wonder about... Random things like people who eat meat. You are eating another creature that was killed so you could eat it. According to religion, wouldn't that basically be a reason to be sent to hell? Like there's so many things that just don't make any sense. lol

    Honestly, I'm pretty sure if you just live with good intentions, nothing will be held against you.

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    Im not religious or anything really, ive tried, but it never took. But jesus to me was a guy who used more of his brain and he was trying to show us how...

    i think its about what makes us happy, i dont think he would want me to starve or work a job i hate for next to nothing, when i could happily work from home, support my family, and save for my future. If were were all drug addicts and lushes who let ourselves be pimped, then it would be wrong because were hurting ourselves. thats like 2% of us from what ive seen. (im including strippers, escorts, and camgirls)

    personally i think its an honest living and i have nothing but respect and love for u ladies. yay jesus
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