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    Default Re: What amount of camming money is worth all the "contras" of this job? #newbiebaby

    Again... no one can tell anyone how much money they will make, looks really don't matter, it has to do a lot with the site the girl chooses, personality, equipment, how many hrs she logs in, at what time does she log in and so on... We can set ourselves with weekly goals, sometimes we exceed them and sometimes we don't even make it to half. As the other ladies said no one can tell you if it's worth it, we all have our diff lives and opinions. I know for ME it's worth it, but for you only you can answer yourself that.

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    Default Re: What amount of camming money is worth all the "contras" of this job? #newbiebaby

    Huh, this is gonna be a long answer girls...

    @vivian and the other girls with similar answers,
    I thanked your replies for one reason only - you are teaching me the hard part of this job and life in general, that sometimes honesty can be missunderstood and some cruel words can be there when we expect the advice and encouragement.
    And no, I am not lazy and much less small minded or anything. Neither am I a troll! What I am is a girl who had big chances missed and lost because of serious family issues and now at the age of 24, I'm found between 2 possibilities: 1) get a mediocrity job for money that will barely be enough to meet the ends and never finish my college that I love and have brain for (means never have a chance for better job) or 2) do a job that makes more than average while it also allows me to set my schedule and study and have enough money for me and my mother to live a decent life.

    @justanothercamgirl
    I NEVER, NEVER, NEVER intended to offend any of you and if you felt that way, I am truly sorry but I've never said such a thing. If I think it's something worth offending, I wouldn't be here in the first place. What I was saying is small minded people (that unfortunately are the majority where I live) will be judging and I can't live in a box. So at least I don't want them able to say "look at her fucking herself online for a couple of cents"...

    @Claudia and EphemeronXOXO
    huge THANKS to you, girls <3 your support means a lot and I'll PM you soon

    And I think I will be very in love with camming once I start, because I know all the other advantages of it beside the money, but I can't help being somewhat afraid knowing things such as what Melonie just said - that one day I might wake up unable to work in adult industry and unable to use my degree because of my adult ind.history = with no money to live with

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    Quote Originally Posted by hippysoul View Post
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    I NEVER, NEVER, NEVER intended to offend any of you and if you felt that way, I am truly sorry but I've never said such a thing. If I think it's something worth offending, I wouldn't be here in the first place. What I was saying is small minded people (that unfortunately are the majority where I live) will be judging and I can't live in a box. So at least I don't want them able to say "look at her fucking herself online for a couple of cents"...
    It could just be our barrier in the difference of our native language but the hostility you are feeling from the other girls is that you've have essentially told them that you are unwilling to do the job that we do unless you are being very well paid to do it.

    I can personally tell you that I would rather someone say to me 'look at her fucking herself for a few pennies online' instead of someone saying 'look at her working as a hostess for a few pennies'

    You are essentially judging us for working this job in the same way that you are afraid that 'small-minded' people will make the same judgement of you.

    Does this make sense? Please tell me if anything I've said needs clairification. I know that we both need to work harder to communicate.

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    Default Re: What amount of camming money is worth all the "contras" of this job? #newbiebaby

    Im really happ that you came back! And yes you will love this job!! <3<3<3 And if you worry about placement according to girls who told you about that well you can always try Jasmin as an extra site! Lj is not a prefered site here because it can be a bit complicated and you have to deal with freeloaders but it is actually a Hungarian site! So there will be no judgement at all. But your main site should be SM after all. I ve heard wonders of that site. Or even Myfreecams where personality rocks over to body! Smooches and Huggs! <3

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    Default Re: What amount of camming money is worth all the "contras" of this job? #newbiebaby

    Hey Well because I am Hungarian my kind of thinking can be very similar to hers. And yes this has been a huge misunderstanding. She never judged any of you - us at all. I ve read her post 3 times just to be sure.
    She tried to say that she wants to make a decent living for herself and her mom and according to that would it worth the risk of getting busted to make more money online instead of getting an average job. In Eastern Europe a hostess job is the best way to get money fast. But that is not a safe income.
    When I met my models for the first time in the studios I used to work in this was their main issue too.
    So I can totally understand her.
    Her problem is the same like most of yours. There are only a few girls I know of who came out and told the world that they r camgirls. Most of us use tools to cover ourselves like wigs and masks or different make up or whatever.
    I just wanna make all of you sure that she never meant to judge at all.
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    Default Re: What amount of camming money is worth all the "contras" of this job? #newbiebaby

    I am really offended by the fact girls were accused of judging the OP based on where she's from. No one here did that. I know how much shit you guys get but being paranoid absolutely does not help. The responses given here would have been the same had she said she was from Alaska, Vietnam, or Australia.

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    Well Jaana you shouldnt be really. I am not paranoid and my english is good enough to understand every single word i read. But I can now name at least 8 threads where i have read judgemental posts.
    And If you feel yourself offended I am really really sorry. But I am sure that not as offended as I am when I read those.

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    @justanothercamgirl
    it must be the language barrier or im just too confused to explain myself well.. but I can assure you that there is no one single negative opinion I have about camgirls... it's just I guess as I explained in my previous reply, my life is too fu.ked up at the moment and I need to chose a job that will pay me and my mom a decent life and still allow me to go to my classes and study for college...

    @ EphemeronXOXO
    thanks for your support, darling and yes, I know many girls who work as hostesses for less money than an average camgirl would make and they are every night in clubs open for all kinds of jerks who mostly expect them to be kind of prostitutes too and many of them are, unfortunately.. while a camgirl can chose her work hours, make money and never get phisically touched by anyone

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    Sweety Im composing now the PM for you and it will be long but I promise I will hurry up! <3 and you are most welcome <3

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    Default Re: What amount of camming money is worth all the "contras" of this job? #newbiebaby

    Ohmygosh WHY do so many threads end up being about someone calling discrimination over where someone is from???? I went back and read everything and the ONLY times it was mentioned was 1) someone mentioned a thread and said it applies more to girls in the US but can still be helpful regardless of where you live, and 2) some sites such as SM will give you lower placement if you are from certain countries and also won't allow girls from some countries to sign up directly. That's not a judgement. It's site policy and she was letting the OP know of this policy. I concur that bias based on location does happen but it certainly isn't present in this thread. Not getting the answer you want and then blaming it on location bias is just... silly.

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    For the first time I dared to mention what keeps buggin me!
    I promise I will never do that again. Im terribly sorry If I hurt anyones feelings!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vivianbear View Post
    My honest opinion is that this job likely isn't for you. You'll probably get your $3 tips and never be satisfied or interested enough to put forth the effort to come up with an original idea to make any more than that. You'll either get bored and wash out or be one of the ones who comes back here over and over and asks "What can I do to make more money! I can't ever get past $XYZ! How do I keep guys interested?" Interesting women keep guys fascinated enough to make good money at this job. Honestly, you don't sound very interesting. Stick to the day job. Your shift is in a few hours, better suit up and get to work.
    OUCH... i usually enjoy ur posts, and certainly not trying to troll u <3 hugs. But ouch.
    I think if She, is in fact a She, and if She is actually trying to be a CamGirl... Then she needs a lil support. I think the language barrier is a factor, like has already been stated. Everyone has to start somewhere... and stripperweb is a great place! wish i had known about it when i got started.

    But i live In America, where porn is looked down upon... but practically every celeb has a fuck tape... and porn is on almost every comp. My point is no one will throw rocks at u in the us... I don't know about other Countries, or Cultures, it may be much harder on a camgirl there if she gets outed.

    But to say she isnt interesting and she cant cut it just because she asked a question seems a lil harsh from a fellow camgirl.

    To Hippy i say Good Luck! Its harder than it looks but if you put the time in... lets just say u wont be camming for pennies, lol. i laughed when i read that. For some girls here, 200$ is a bad day =)
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    Quote Originally Posted by EphemeronXOXO View Post
    For the first time I dared to mention what keeps buggin me!
    I promise I will never do that again. Im terribly sorry If I hurt anyones feelings!
    i don't think they were saying it doesnt happen, because im sure it does..but where in this thread did you see them being mean to her based on her nationality? just curious..

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    My answer is simple. Yes. But i just wanted to point the elephant in the room. I wont say names here on a public forum.

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    Default Re: What amount of camming money is worth all the "contras" of this job? #newbiebaby

    Starting drama like this just gives those who do judge more amunition. You're crying wolf and its disrespectful to the board and to those of us that HAVE been descriminated against. Stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CourtneyRaine View Post
    Ohmygosh WHY do so many threads end up being about someone calling discrimination over where someone is from???? I went back and read everything and the ONLY times it was mentioned was 1) someone mentioned a thread and said it applies more to girls in the US but can still be helpful regardless of where you live, and 2) some sites such as SM will give you lower placement if you are from certain countries and also won't allow girls from some countries to sign up directly. That's not a judgement. It's site policy and she was letting the OP know of this policy. I concur that bias based on location does happen but it certainly isn't present in this thread. Not getting the answer you want and then blaming it on location bias is just... silly.
    Lol I agree. Race, class, religion, where you're from. No one cares. At all. In any way. And why would they? It doesn't affect them/us. But its important to know information pertaining to where you're physically camming from (i.e, the OP is camming from Romania so that means she will automatically make almost 15% less in her pocket [which is 5% of the 35% on SM for example] than someone not in a studio [eatern europeans are required to join studios to cam], and her placement will be lower because sites are dumb). Doesn't change anything, its a fact, not a judgement or a stereotype.

    Also, the studio policy was instituted right after there was a big scandal in the news (MFC I believe) about how there was money laundering going on in eastern europe. So sites decided to require all eastern europeans to join a studio (which means less money in your pocket if you're eastern european), to what many believe, lessen the legal liabilities on them as a cam site (no 1099s issues if you are through a studio). That's the issue, and its a fact not a judgement. I'm sure money laundering goes on in many places, but it was the site(s) that instituted that eastern european rule, and not anyone else. So take the issue up with the site, not random cam girls on a forum who are just telling you the site rules and realities.

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    As a camgirl I am sorry I do not see the issue with wanting to paid well for what I do and not doing a job if it doesn't pay well. No job vanilla or adult should be done if doesn't pay well. That is true for me. that is not a judgement on how other people make their decision to cam or how much they make. People do this job for lots of reasons why is it a problem to say money may be one of them? People do vanilla jobs for money.

    I fucking love this job but I wouldn't do it for free, and I doubt anyone here would. I've quit vanilla jobs because they don't pay enough to be worth what I had to to do. It's the same camming is a job and like any job how much you make is a factor in choosing to do it.

    Let's take a doctor for example. A person may choose to be a doctor for many reasons, but if doctors made 8.50/hour there would be fewer of them, because the time and cost invested in becoming a physician, there has to be sufficient reward, one of those rewards is profit. Now i wouldn't judge a doctor who works for free and or in under served areas, their reward is more altruistic, neither do I judge the plastic surgeon.

    It is the same with cam girls. If a model charges .99/minute or 19.99/min that is up to here she determines her price based on what benefits here. There are plenty of ladies here who say they won't charge less than x per minute, I don't think that is a judgement on girls who charge less.

    While the OP's question is mildly annoying in that this subject has been discussed, I don't see where she is being offensive by saying that for her she needs a certain amount of money her personal needs to make the job worth it don't constitute a judgment, at least not in my opinion.

    The reality is being a cam girl may limit future employment possibilities and I don't think it's wrong or offensive to way dollars as a factor in the decision. Further girls are often told to raise their prices etc so . . . It's all cost/benefit in the end isn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hippysoul View Post
    @justanothercamgirl
    it must be the language barrier or im just too confused to explain myself well.. but I can assure you that there is no one single negative opinion I have about camgirls... it's just I guess as I explained in my previous reply, my life is too fu.ked up at the moment and I need to chose a job that will pay me and my mom a decent life and still allow me to go to my classes and study for college...
    Oh, that makes perfect sense! I completely understand what you were trying to communicate to me originally now. I am very sorry for the misunderstanding. I lived in Europe for a short time and I was forever getting myself in trouble beween the language barrier and culture differences so I know what it is like to be well-meaning and be completely misunderstood.

    Please accept my apology.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rina View Post
    As a camgirl I am sorry I do not see the issue with wanting to paid well for what I do and not doing a job if it doesn't pay well. No job vanilla or adult should be done if doesn't pay well. That is true for me. that is not a judgement on how other people make their decision to cam or how much they make. People do this job for lots of reasons why is it a problem to say money may be one of them? People do vanilla jobs for money.

    I fucking love this job but I wouldn't do it for free, and I doubt anyone here would. I've quit vanilla jobs because they don't pay enough to be worth what I had to to do. It's the same camming is a job and like any job how much you make is a factor in choosing to do it.

    Let's take a doctor for example. A person may choose to be a doctor for many reasons, but if doctors made 8.50/hour there would be fewer of them, because the time and cost invested in becoming a physician, there has to be sufficient reward, one of those rewards is profit. Now i wouldn't judge a doctor who works for free and or in under served areas, their reward is more altruistic, neither do I judge the plastic surgeon.

    It is the same with cam girls. If a model charges .99/minute or 19.99/min that is up to here she determines her price based on what benefits here. There are plenty of ladies here who say they won't charge less than x per minute, I don't think that is a judgement on girls who charge less.

    While the OP's question is mildly annoying in that this subject has been discussed, I don't see where she is being offensive by saying that for her she needs a certain amount of money her personal needs to make the job worth it don't constitute a judgment, at least not in my opinion.

    The reality is being a cam girl may limit future employment possibilities and I don't think it's wrong or offensive to way dollars as a factor in the decision. Further girls are often told to raise their prices etc so . . . It's all cost/benefit in the end isn't it?
    I think the situation that happened here was purely one one in miscommunication because the OP isn't a native english speaker so the wording came off more 'offensive' them it was ever meant to convey.

    Now that I have talked for the OP for a bit, it appears that she is just was trying to weigh the risks to the benefits of the job and nothing more. I know if I wasn't a native english speaker I'd start a new thread so I could communicate with other girls and know what exactly it was they were saying instead of trying to annalyze an old thread that would completely be out of context to me.

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    I see you two have it sorted, but it just seems in general that people are taking issue with the OP using money as one of her deciding factors and honestly I think that's a bit unfair. Of course speaking generally not saying that you specifically were doing that. You know I <3 you.
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    I think the situation that happened here was purely one one in miscommunication because the OP isn't a native english speaker so the wording came off more 'offensive' them it was ever meant to convey.

    Now that I have talked for the OP for a bit, it appears that she is just was trying to weigh the risks to the benefits of the job and nothing more. I know if I wasn't a native english speaker I'd start a new thread so I could communicate with other girls and know what exactly it was they were saying instead of trying to annalyze an old thread that would completely be out of context to me.
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    Omg Im so silly lol You`re words meant a lot to me!!! damn those tears!!!
    Thank you thank you Thank you! <3<3<3

    You are one of the girls I truly admire! And I know I should care about the majority! That you girls here were nice to me!
    And dont even listen to bullies. You know Im not that young, 27 actually but i think my childish part will make me say it: I dont know what makes people to be so rude. ( And this is not the only topic where I saw the hurtful things! SW is the best place for a camgirl to share experiences with others and simply share secrets which she cannot share with others. This place should be like a SAFE PLACE!)

    And again thousand times thank you!!!!!
    If you ever see any thread that you think someone is being judgemental to you in. Please PM me and let me know about it and I will go look at it. I want you to feel safe here.

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    Of course speaking generally not saying that you specifically were doing that. You know I <3 you.
    I have no doubts! Just as you know I love you.....with cupcakes with those really yummy colourful sprinkles on top!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hippysoul View Post
    @vivian and the other girls with similar answers,
    I thanked your replies for one reason only - you are teaching me the hard part of this job and life in general, that sometimes honesty can be missunderstood and some cruel words can be there when we expect the advice and encouragement.
    And no, I am not lazy and much less small minded or anything. Neither am I a troll! What I am is a girl who had big chances missed and lost because of serious family issues and now at the age of 24, I'm found between 2 possibilities: 1) get a mediocrity job for money that will barely be enough to meet the ends and never finish my college that I love and have brain for (means never have a chance for better job) or 2) do a job that makes more than average while it also allows me to set my schedule and study and have enough money for me and my mother to live a decent life.
    Sounds like you better make a choice and get to work, either way. Seriously, you're young and I honestly have very little sympathy for anyone's personal stories of strife and what's led them to this industry. I've been in this (adult) business for twelve years and have been camming full-time for the last four. I got into camming because I needed to cover about $10K+ in reconstructive surgery to my face. Guess who's got a perfect grill and a padded savings account, today? *this gal*

    As the saying goes: "If you've got nothing, you've got nothing to lose". You own a computer. No one is accusing you of being stupid, it's that you're not actively trying to learn anything new. You're obviously smart, capable and have a very good grasp of English, as a written language, at the very least. I can only assume you speak it to the same extent that you write. You're college-educated. You're concerned you'll never finish college? Dude, I haven't even started college! What exactly do you need help with, again? Moral support? Good luck but don't expect people like me to walk you through much of anything.

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    PS. I love everyone here and I think I tried to help whenever someone asked me for help, but I feel so sad about the fact the some people are so judgemental.
    I cant change the place where I was bornt.
    Oh, please, sweetheart. I'm not judging her nationality. I'm annoyed by her lack of ambition and self-reliance to learn something new. My bestie (who introduced me to my most lucrative cam-gig, btw) is Romanian and I was in Bucharest only two years ago, having gone all the way to celebrate my birthday with her family and talk shop with her. I took a trip to Turkey and rode a train for literally 24 hours, with the expressed intent to finally meet the awesome lady who'd turned me on to such good opportunities, in camming. She's a damn pro who left an abusive studio and asked for her family to loan her money so she could safely begin camming, independently. She's starting her family, buying her home, investing in property... all from camming, independently... IN ROMANIA.

    Romania is not some third-world country, y'all (neither is Hungary, come to think of it). It may be politically conservative (let's just say they were having "election issues", last year) but it's not some repressive regime where camming will get you in jail (those places do exist, btw). There are also lots of sites available to Eastern European women to work, outside of studios. I wouldn't have met my friend, without being on one. Neither she nor I have ever had much use for SM/MFC and we do quite well. Trust me, if you've got an internet connection good enough to cam, you're doing just fine in that region.

    No one is being judgmental, in the slightest. We're all here to learn but let's each try to learn something new, as individuals, to bring to the table, please. If you don't have anything yet to offer, use the search functions and READ MORE.
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    Default Re: What amount of camming money is worth all the "contras" of this job? #newbiebaby

    Quote Originally Posted by Rina View Post
    people are taking issue with the OP using money as one of her deciding factors and honestly I think that's a bit unfair.
    I know you directed this at JAC but I wanted to touch on this. This is not directed at you by the way. In threads that discuss income/worth certain posters seem to have a condescending, belittling, and elitist tone to their post. Its like if you aren't making say $50-$100 an hour, $400 for a 4 hour shift, $1000+ a week then you shouldn't be a camgirl.

    If you make below the previous then those statements can come across as what you make is garbage, you aren't good enough, you aren't making enough, and you suck at your job. Now I don't exactly feel the things I just stated but the mentality of if you don't make x amount then you shouldn't be doing this does get annoying sometimes. I think people are kind of getting sick of hearing it over and over again. We get it you don't think x amount is worth it for you... great. But the thing is your worth and thought process isn't universal. Everyone isn't going to make the same amount of money. Income level isn't universal in camgirl-land.

    Just because someone doesn't make the same amount as you doesn't mean you should be condescending towards what they make. If someone has clearly weighed the cons of camming and is happy with what they make then that's all that should matter. Just like models don't want to be judged on what they do in freechat some models don't want to be judged and ridiculed on what they make.
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    Default Re: What amount of camming money is worth all the "contras" of this job? #newbiebaby

    That depends on you and your comfort level..we all know the terms associated with camming, but I do not consider them risks.

    I would suggest you do not put out any content of yourself that goes beyond your limits...so if it ends up anywhere else, it doesn't matter.

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