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    I went on a trip with a bunch of older men over the weekend. Of course being out of town and away from their wives they headed to the nearest SC. I attended with them and one of their sons that was about my age (30). We were approached by the first girl of the night that I politely turned away. I like to watch a little and get a sense of how the girls are working the room and what type of guys they are approaching. After this lady left, this guys soon leaned to me and asked why was I being nice to the strippers?

    I didn't understand this and explained that he probably wouldn't like it for someone to come to his job and be rude. I am not a regular by far but I do tend to go to a couple of clubs a year. (Even though that might change after this weekend but that is for another post.). I just don't know why guys go into a strip club to be asses to the girls working.

    I know this is nothing new to all the ladies here but I wanted to apologize for the mislead guys that go and behave this way in your clubs.

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    ^Honestly, I'm sorry that your colleagues ruined your experience. People like that are usually rude to waiters, barmen, taxi drivers etc and are an unfortunate addition to any venue. Luckily, we have VERY tough skins and when we cross paths with people like this, their behaviour and comments are usually like water off a duck's back-why let someone with obvious issues (unrelated to you) ruin your mood? Customers like this exist, but most patrons are polite, so don't allow their behaviour to rub off on you and perhaps ditch them next time you decide to visit a SC .
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    I do my best not to let other people ruin my time. I found a nice new to the job dancer and talked with her and spent some money with her. I felt bad for her, she really didn't know what she was doing. I had watched her work the room for about an hour after her main stage performance and she hadn't got anyone to take her up on a private dance. I finally went and got her to come sit with me and we talked a little. I gave her a few general pointers that I noticed. I told her that I really didn't know much that one of the girls would be much better at helping her. She really seemed interested and I hope that she took some of the advice and started making some money. I will have to wait a few weeks and find out when she is working again to see if it has helped any.

    This is actually how I came across this Forum. I didn't know if the advice I gave her was good or bad. I was going to get on here and ask when I found the Newbies section that already had a bunch of information on it. I wish I had know about this place so I could have directed her here. Most of the Advice I gave her was in the Newbie thread.

    She gave a really provocative Stage dance but really gave to much for the Dollars that these guys were giving her. I tried to help her pick out some customers that would pay. Told her the biggest mistake was going to the table of 8 college aged guys that were the ones giving her most of the money on stage instead of the older gentlemen that would pay for a more private experience. I also gave her a few Lap Dance Tips that should help her get the guys to upgrade from a private dance to a 30 minute room. It was similar to the Friends episode where Monica and Rachel were telling Chandler how to bring a women to orgasm (). Told here to hit the hot spots and that she could tell by the customers reaction which of these spots to revisit but not to linger on any too long and never rub the genitals with her hand, A brush by would be alright in some circumstances but the customer would get the wrong idea when you tired to up sell him to a more expensive experience.

    Like I said before I like to attend SC don't get to do it has often as I like because of the travel that is necessary to get to the nicer venues but when I am mainly there because I like to have the opportunity to talk with and watch the girls work.

    Let me know if the advise I gave was totally clueless! All this is what I have noticed from watching and my knowledge of selling. I have been selling since my early teens in my Family retail stores and am still a salesman today.
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    Dixie Land, you're alright...

    Sadly, sometimes you just can't teach old dogs new tricks. Your older friends will probably be dicks forever. I applaud you for being nice and polite.

    HOWEVER!

    I advise you not to tell dancers how to do their jobs.





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    Just saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie Land View Post
    It was similar to the Friends episode where Monica and Rachel were telling Chandler how to bring a women to orgasm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLeBWcARXYo).

    Let me know if the advise I gave was totally clueless! All this is what I have noticed from watching and my knowledge of selling. I have been selling since my early teens in my Family retail stores and am still a salesman today.
    You seem like a nice guy DL but I have some bad news for you. NOTHING about dancing for a living is like any episode of Friends...ever! Also, unless you have tried to sell ice at the north pole you have no idea what trying to sell dances is like. Treat the girls you visit well. Be generous and be a gentleman. Don't try to tell them how to do their jobs...other than telling them about Stripper web of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post


    I advise you not to tell dancers how to do their jobs.

    You are right and I would not have said anything if she had not asked first. I just approached here and made the comment that she wasn't making much money. It was not suppose to head in the direction of me giving advice. I now know of this place and will send all my friendly dancing friends here for any type of support they may need.

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    Bonus tip! It's Grammar... not Grammer.
    Thank you for some reason I know how to spell it but when I go to type Grammar it comes out wrong. Also I didn't do a very good job at correcting the errors.


    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    You seem like a nice guy DL but I have some bad news for you. NOTHING about dancing for a living is like any episode of Friends...ever! Also, unless you have tried to sell ice at the north pole you have no idea what trying to sell dances is like. Treat the girls you visit well. Be generous and be a gentleman. Don't try to tell them how to do their jobs...other than telling them about Stripper web of course.
    Yoda I am sorry for the bad reference to a Friends episode when referring to the work that y'all Ladies do. It was meant really just to let her know that there are more erotic spots she could pay attention to.

    I do not claim to know anything about the job and never lead this girl to believe that I did. I saw she spent too much time at a table and didn't get anything out of it. (5-6 songs at Least)

    I also told her how she could have made my experience in the back better. I like eye contact, Not a dancer that has her eyes closed the whole time. I like Some breathing/Moaning in my ear.

    Again I did not offer this up freely but only after asked for it.

    Thank you for not being to harsh with me. After my experience this weekend and the direct rudeness that I got to witness I have a new respect for the women of this industry and is one of the reasons I am thinking of visiting a little more frequent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie Land View Post
    I do my best not to let other people ruin my time. I found a nice new to the job dancer and talked with her and spent some money with her. I felt bad for her, she really didn't know what she was doing. I had watched her work the room for about an hour after her main stage performance and she hadn't got anyone to take her up on a private dance. I finally went and got her to come sit with me and we talked a little. I gave her a few general pointers that I noticed. I told her that I really didn't know much that one of the girls would be much better at helping her. She really seemed interested and I hope that she took some of the advice and started making some money. I will have to wait a few weeks and find out when she is working again to see if it has helped any.

    This is actually how I came across this Forum. I didn't know if the advice I gave her was good or bad. I was going to get on here and ask when I found the Newbies section that already had a bunch of information on it. I wish I had know about this place so I could have directed her here. Most of the Advice I gave her was in the Newbie thread.

    She gave a really provocative Stage dance but really gave to much for the Dollars that these guys were giving her. I tried to help her pick out some customers that would pay. Told her the biggest mistake was going to the table of 8 college aged guys that were the ones giving her most of the money on stage instead of the older gentlemen that would pay for a more private experience. I also gave her a few Lap Dance Tips that should help her get the guys to upgrade from a private dance to a 30 minute room. It was similar to the Friends episode where Monica and Rachel were telling Chandler how to bring a women to orgasm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLeBWcARXYo). Told here to hit the hot spots and that she could tell by the customers reaction which of these spots to revisit but not to linger on any too long and never rub the genitals with her hand, A brush by would be alright in some circumstances but the customer would get the wrong idea when you tired to up sell him to a more expensive experience.

    Like I said before I like to attend SC don't get to do it has often as I like because of the travel that is necessary to get to the nicer venues but when I am mainly there because I like to have the opportunity to talk with and watch the girls work.

    Let me know if the advise I gave was totally clueless! All this is what I have noticed from watching and my knowledge of selling. I have been selling since my early teens in my Family retail stores and am still a salesman today.
    going to the group tipping the most is the smartest thing to do. I fucking hate it when customers tell me where to go. they are always wrong. I get more money from the under 30 crowd than I do from the over 50s. single or in groups, doesn't matter (tho groups of over 50s are more often cheap). a young guy doesn't have a family, a large mortgage, etc. a young guy most likely just graduated and got a decent to great (50k-100k+) job out of college and is not used to having so much money....so they easily blow it. a young guy hasnt been burned by many dancers before, hasnt realized that there are european prostitutes and a champagne better than dom out there, that makes the sc experience comparatively overpriced. the young guys are excited by everything in the club, and excited to spend $$, and want to do it fast. the best part about young guys? they don't play games! old guys love to try to lead on girls, whereas the majority of young guys I approach tell me straight up how much they have to spend.

    and to get this straight- you felt bad for her not making money for an hr so you decided to waste her time more by talking her ear off? even if you saw her make no money, it doesn't mean it was a bad night. every single time ive made $1000+ ive had hours where I made nothing. usually even 2-3 back to back. so if you feel bad for her, give her $$, not advice, and stop wasting her time.

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    ^SALES..you know..lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie Land View Post
    Yoda I am sorry for the bad reference to a Friends episode when referring to the work that y'all Ladies do. It was meant really just to let her know that there are more erotic spots she could pay attention to.
    First of all I'all is not a dancer, I'm a customer. The section you are posting in is Customer Convo, this is the section where customers come to ask dancers questions. As a rule, the ladies here have their game pretty well worked out and don't generally appreciate guys who show up offering advice-even in the form of a story about another dancer. I'm not telling you to stop (at least not yet)but consider yourself warned...
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    Quote Originally Posted by charlotte. View Post
    going to the group tipping the most is the smartest thing to do. I fucking hate it when customers tell me where to go. they are always wrong. I get more money from the under 30 crowd than I do from the over 50s. single or in groups, doesn't matter (tho groups of over 50s are more often cheap). a young guy doesn't have a family, a large mortgage, etc. a young guy most likely just graduated and got a decent to great (50k-100k+) job out of college and is not used to having so much money....so they easily blow it. a young guy hasnt been burned by many dancers before, hasnt realized that there are european prostitutes and a champagne better than dom out there, that makes the sc experience comparatively overpriced. the young guys are excited by everything in the club, and excited to spend $$, and want to do it fast. the best part about young guys? they don't play games! old guys love to try to lead on girls, whereas the majority of young guys I approach tell me straight up how much they have to spend.

    and to get this straight- you felt bad for her not making money for an hr so you decided to waste her time more by talking her ear off? even if you saw her make no money, it doesn't mean it was a bad night. every single time ive made $1000+ ive had hours where I made nothing. usually even 2-3 back to back. so if you feel bad for her, give her $$, not advice, and stop wasting her time.
    Trust me I didn't waste her time she was well compensated for her time.

    how long would you spend talking with a group of 8 guys that gave you 10 singles while you were on stage?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie Land View Post
    Trust me I didn't waste her time she was well compensated for her time.

    how long would you spend talking with a group of 8 guys that gave you 10 singles while you were on stage?
    depends on the group. like I said before, young guys are pretty upfront with their situation so I either leave immediately or stay, I don't give them time "just in case." if they arent spending but have a bottle and I feel like drinking, I may sit with them for 5-6 songs especially at the beginning of a shift. a couple drinks helps me kick start a night or get back in a good mood if I just had a bad customer. if its a bachelor party I often spend 5 songs upfront because I know everyone will treat the bachelor to at least $100 and often ill get back to back dances with multiple guys.

    how much $$ did you directly give her for her time?

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    I gave her tips of 20 after a LD and a 100 after a session in the CR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlotte. View Post

    how much $$ did you directly give her for her time?
    Ha. I doubt he'll answer that.

    I also want to know how long he spoke with her.


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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    Also, unless you have tried to sell ice at the north pole you have no idea what trying to sell dances is like.
    ^I LOVE that description Yoda! I've been told a few times that I could "sell ice to an Eskimo" .
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    I am an open book. The whole time we spent from the time she sat down until we went in separate directions was roughly an hour.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie Land View Post
    I am an open book. The whole time we spent from the time she sat down until we went in separate directions was roughly an hour.
    I'd say both parties were stupid. Her for sitting there that long. And you for giving lackluster advice under the guise of "helping" that could've been conveyed in less than 5 minutes but was stretched out to an hour.

    [QUOTE=Dixie Land;2487960 Told here to hit the hot spots and that she could tell by the customers reaction which of these spots to revisit but not to linger on any too long and never rub the genitals with her hand, A brush by would be alright in some circumstances but the customer would get the wrong idea when you tired to up sell him to a more expensive experience.

    Like I said before I like to attend SC don't get to do it has often as I like because of the travel that is necessary to get to the nicer venues but when I am mainly there because I like to have the opportunity to talk with and watch the girls work.

    Let me know if the advise I gave was totally clueless![/QUOTE]

    LOL. I had to actually read that again. What the ... Yes that was completely useless. Like Sophia mentioned in my experience it's the young guys that spend. Older guys are time wasters like this post has proved.

    It is NEVER ok to brush genitals. I don't know why the hell you'd give her that advice. Maybe for your own benefit. lol After reading. I think you're completely full of bs. Yeah you might of genuinely wanted to help her at first but it obviously turned into something else. You wasted time she could've been working the room. Selfish yeah.

    I think the name of this post should be changed to I'm appalled that I'm a timewaster.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deaddolly View Post
    Open book my foot. You omitted how much you compensated her.lol I smell time waster. I'd say both parties were stupid. Her for sitting there that long. And you for giving lackluster advice under the guise of "helping" that could've been conveyed in less than 5 minutes but was stretched out to an hour.
    How do you figure time waster? You are right the part of the conversation that contained the advice was more like ten minutes. That is because it was a conversation and not a lecture.

    just out of curiosity what percentage of back room dances go to the dancer? Average I know every where is different. I know I paid 400 for the CR and 30 for the LD. I also tipped the bouncer and the guy that brought the champagne to the room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie Land View Post
    How do you figure time waster?
    It's quite obvious. And others have pointed it out as well. I'm not going to get into it since you'll obviously never see it that way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie Land View Post
    just out of curiosity what percentage of back room dances go to the dancer? Average I know every where is different. I know I paid 400 for the CR and 30 for the LD. I also tipped the bouncer and the guy that brought the champagne to the room.

    You'd have to ask her. Every place is different. Plus she has her house fee. Obviously the bouncer and champagne guy have nothing to do with this. That's money in their pockets. I'm out.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie Land View Post
    How do you figure time waster? You are right the part of the conversation that contained the advice was more like ten minutes. That is because it was a conversation and not a lecture.

    just out of curiosity what percentage of back room dances go to the dancer? Average I know every where is different. I know I paid 400 for the CR and 30 for the LD. I also tipped the bouncer and the guy that brought the champagne to the room.
    if you paid in credit card, expect 20-40% to go to the house upfront. cuts on top of that vary dramatically, ive worked at clubs that take anywhere from nothing (aside from credit card cut) to 50%. an additional house fee of anything from $0-300 is also a factor, as well as tipping out staff which ranges from just a couple bucks to the dj to being forced to tip large percentages to everyone. 10-20% to the vip host is common.

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    anyway, its nice to hear you didnt totally waste her time. now that its clear you were paying her, id say that she most likely was just nodding at anything you had to say because she was getting paid!

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    Since I wasted your time hear I would like to say thank you for the ones that opened my eyes further. I will definitely be a better patron on my next trip.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dixie Land View Post
    I also told her how she could have made my experience in the back better. I like eye contact, Not a dancer that has her eyes closed the whole time. I like Some breathing/Moaning in my ear.
    ^Sure but cut this bs out. Her job is to dance how SHE feels comfortable and nothing else. Not brush your junk or moan in your ear. She directs the show not you. If you want all that find a dirty dancer or try an escort.


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    TY dead now we are beating a dead horse.

    I think we have come to the conclusion that I am an idiot for having any conversation like this and now know better. After being here I agree with charolette that she had me talking and was getting paid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlotte. View Post
    anyway, its nice to hear you didnt totally waste her time. now that its clear you were paying her, id say that she most likely was just nodding at anything you had to say because she was getting paid!
    Yep she probably sensed she was the knight in shining armour guy and nodded to make some cash. I always hated guys that told me how to work when I started camming. Whatever they said even with best intentions made me feel pressured and inadeguate.





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    Don't try to hustle a hustler..dixie

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