


I think the worst thing about the extras now are the rates women are charging. In the past I've always hear of extras girls walking out with a shit load of cash. Now? They are doing shit for under backpage rates. Also what is fucked up is the guys are actually nasty enough to post details and name the girls. I just wonder would they charge the guy double next time he out them on a board? Or is this just free advertising ? Also why aren't extra girls getting together and going over services for better rates? I mean the guy is getting a deal from walking off the street and buying sex why not make it better financially.
I'm not for extras in the clubs but that's not going to change no matter what. Well maybe another raid will slow thing down but seriously guys would probably be less likely to gab about it if it wasn't so damn cheap. Also who wants to be known for sucking a guy for 5 songs all for $40? It's just not cost effective.
It's interesting, because I actually see this as a positive thing. Suddenly apples are being compared to oranges when there's a split in the market like this. Instead of having to choose between paying $400 for a CR with a girl who's doing air dances vs. paying $400 for a CR with a girl who will fuck you, guys are having to choose between a $40 blow job and a $400 luxurious experience with a woman who can truly entertain. The $40 blow job guys tend to be a different species than the $400 CR guys, so extras girls are almost unintentionally giving themselves a glass ceiling as far as earning potential is concerned.
Maybe I'm just looking at the silver lining...it took me a while to see it this way. But I think there's truth in my theory!




I was talking about extras girls because that's what this thread is about. Just because you fit into that category doesn't mean you have to take your defensiveness out on me.
It is not "whining" to contribute to a thread; in the city I work in, extras are so widespread that customers expect all of the girls to do extras. Customers will come in and are so used to extras happening that that's all they want. I make the most money, but I also hustle way harder than any of them. Not to mention it is an unsanitary work environment - people leave used condoms on the floor of the VIP booth; I've seen CUM on the VIP booth's couch. I am not alone here, this has happened to my friend as well. If I'm working in an environment where I am just supposed to be dancing, why do I have to be subjected to germs that are spread through sexual contact? Put yourself in a clean dancer's shoes. If you can't understand why that would bother us, don't even respond to me.
"Rather have my feet hurting than my pockets."




Charlie61, you are absolutely right! The fact that the going rate in Detroit is so low is a part of what makes me able to still make the money that I do. The customers getting a suck and fuck combo for in the $100 range are not the type of customers I'd even spend time with; it filters out the cheapos from the big spenders. Very rarely will a guy spend several hundred on extras in Detroit because they know they can get it from the next girl for next to nothing. And that leaves the extras girls to compete with each other for the lower prices while my price and the price of the other clean girls of $25 a dance stays the same.
"Rather have my feet hurting than my pockets."
vixenluv and Nina_ - please stop responding to each other. I want this thread to stay open.
And to clarify, I'm not endorsing an attitude of "$40 is too inexpensive for blow jobs; girls should be charging $1000." If this were an escorting thread, I'd be 100% behind the "charge whatever you want to charge" mantra.
This is an extras thread, however, which changes things. These tend to be riskier acts (girls who don't identify as prostitutes oftentimes don't take precautions they should take, like using condoms for oral) - these are girls who aren't doing dick checks for diseases in good lighting, are putting the entire club at risk for prostitution busts, etc. It's just an entirely different animal compared to escorting.





The day of the non-extras strip clubs are over, IMO. All the strip clubs that don't allow extras are the ones that everyone wants to work in, so those are flooded with girls which leaves little money for all.
I don't believe thats actually true though. How do you know the $400 CR girl isn't ALSO doing a blowjob, just a higher quality ~*more secret*~ one? The more high end, the more the girl can get away with. So it would still hurt the girls who are doing $400 CR air dances because they are entertaining AND giving a blowjob. Not only would you never know, but the customer base would slowly start expecting more, and get hostile for feeling ripped off when they don't get it. That's scary.
Both of the things above are exactly why I stopped dancing in California. Because both are reality.
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The adult industry is becoming less and less appealing to me every year. It's nothing like it used to be.





I agree with this. BUT, I also believe this mostly happens in adult industry areas that are oversaturated. Not all areas are oversaturated (yet).
With dancing... If you don't want to travel dance to where season is, you won't be making good money. Or will have to work much, much harder than you need to.
With porn... The blonde hair, big boobs market is oversaturated. If you don't have something new to bring into porn, while still being very marketable (read: mainstream beautiful), then I think that's a pass too.
With escorting... Well I really don't know much about escorting, but I can imagine that its also a saturated market unless you build up your brand/persona and tour.
With camming... You need to offer things that few people offer and be really good at them, or that fails too.
Its time to get creative, or pass on the adult world entirely. And I still think, one day soon, there will be little money left in it.




I'm starting to feel the same way about stripping more and more lately. I was actually considering just escorting so I wouldn't have to deal with the club bullshit and make better money.



^Please don't let drama llamas (girls conjuring up shock stories...) persuade you out of the business. There will be shit you have to deal with at every club. Everywhere. It's a sales job and there will always be people who cheat and/or cut unfair deals. It's part of the territory.





^ In NY and Vegas it's the girls who are the hosts favorites who get the high rollers. These are girls hosts will bring in and replace non extras girls with the girls willing to perform. These girls are making thousand or more an hour. Way more than escorts charge. The going rate most extras charge depends on area 2-400 an hour and most perform bbbj. I read this on the other site all the time. So there are definitely extras girls in clubs that are making way more than extras. It's not all girls doing 40 dollar bj's.





Oops I meant escorts.
IMO it isn't gross, per se. Some women have no issue with fucking men for money and would rather do quick fucks for $100 (which, at that price, is a quick hustle requiring minimal emotional investment and with lower expectations than a $500 fuck). I can see how that'd be attractive to an escort. Reminds me of this book. She made a killing working offshore doing quick fucks for relatively small amounts of money (each guy only took like 5 minutes!). That money adds up quickly - obviously this works far better if you don't feel like fucking customers is like selling chunks of your soul (which is a personal issue).
In the sex industry, it's all about how you'd prefer to spend your emotional and physical energy, how much you're willing to do for money, plus what you're willing to put up with for different amounts of time.
Each niche of this industry comes with negatives and positives. There are many women who can't imagine working an 8-hour shift to *maybe* make $500 while dancing for non-paying onlookers when they could just fuck a few paying men for the same amount of money.
So to clarify again...this thread is about extras, not about escorts. I don't want this to turn into an anti-escort flamewar.![]()




I wouldn't care what other girls are doing, if it weren't affecting the way guys are treating ME now. Before extras were rare (when I started 4 years ago), but now that a lot of girls are doing it and word is getting out to the general public - guys think that we all must be open to it and they are getting fresher, more ballsy, more handsy, and forthrightedly asking for bj's, FS, etc. And this is all because of extras girls. It is making my life suck really bad that I am currently looking for a new career. Thanks extras girls!
Otherwise I could give a rats ass what anyone else did with their own life and bodies.
Also I'm not a great hustler, and I talk like shit - but I don't do extras. I've always made good money though. (luck) Last three shifts have been hell though.




This is true. I worked with a extras girl who probably left with about 2 g's on a slower day since the hosts hooked her up and she was willing to do more.
Normally I don't pay much attention to girls who perform extras. To be quite honest I'm getting pretty tired of competing with some of these girls, having a host mess up my hustle in favor of a girl willing to do more, being confused for an extras girl by hosts (or the other girls), being in a room with extras going on, on top of dealing with usual club bullshit.
Unfortunately due to my circumstances I cannot travel right now and it's like what GlamourRouge said, sometimes I find myself working much harder than I need to. When I could be working way less hours for sizable chunks of change doing something else and saving my energy for other things.





You can't really NOT pay attention to girls performing extras though because it cuts into YOUR profit and what YOU have to deal with (handsy/cheap/entitled customers, etc) and that was my issue with dancing in 1 location. I would have preferred dancing in 1 location actually, but it just ended up being too draining to work my ass off for cash while compete with extras girls.
I also found these things to be true during my home club dancing years:
1.) Clubs that appear clean upon first glance are almost never clean. The difference is, the girls are sneaky about extras and very, very selective. Not all of them perform extras of course, but some do and they are the ones making crazy cash. They make crazy cash, the management then loves them (big tips, anyone?), and then let them continue making crazy cash this way.
2.) Clubs without (visible) extras or ones that appear to be clean, well the girls get "hooked up" by VIP hosts and dance trackers. They will fuck or date the VIP hosts or dance trackers. It gives them an unfair advantage because then they get hooked up with all the spendy customers, so you just have to get lucky. This situation definitely happens a lot, and typically in slower clubs or ones flooded with girls because its a nicer/cleaner club.
3.) A lot of clubs that actually ARE clean (or mostly clean), the girls will STILL meet spendy custys OUTSIDE the club to fuck them. In like a hotel or something idk. It works something like this:
- Custy spends a lot of cash on girl he likes while in the club. Dancer finds custy not repulsive (meaning she would fuck him for cash). No extras happen in the club
- Dancer takes custy's phone number and puts it in her phone
- Dancer texts custy and custy comes back to spend again (not sure how many more times this occurs before...: )
- Dancer makes arrangements to meet up with custy in a hotel or some other location and fuck him for cash. She already knows hes not repulsive/gross and she already knows he's generous, so its a win-win situation for her
^^^I don't even think #3 is a bad idea if you're an escort. You get to be SUPER selective about who you fuck, and you know they will be generous. Its kind of genius, actually. If I was an escort, that's probably what I would do. One girl I know who worked in a club with me, made sooooooo much cash that way! She spent ALL her time in the club trying to make new regulars, and fucked them outside the club because the club couldn't take a huge chunk of it (and she could focus her time on meeting new generous guys). I'm sure she built up a big roster because she had been doing it for awhile and would move to a new club when customers got too repetitive. I really hope she's not reading this board right now lol. We haven't stay in contact though.
But doing that is also what KILLS it for the other girls. All 3 of those though, actually.
I didn't even know #1-3 occurred until I had worked at each club ("nicer" clubs) for months. Like at least 4-5 months. I learned because I overheard, or girls confided in me. I don't judge anyone- IDGAF what they do as long as they're happy, but when its slow and it appears that no ones making money except for some I can look at and go hmmmmm, then I get annoyed. The culture of a club changes over time when #1-3 happen, and it does not benefit most girls. And I believe this is what has happened, and why so many girls want to stop dancing (at least at a home club) due to low $$$.
But #1-3, ladies, are why I could no longer dance in SF or California. Those (#1 through #3) are the girls making the good money (at least in the area I worked, which I know has been hailed by many as one of the worst places to dance).
And sadly, the best (and probably only) way to counteract all 3 while still making decent money, is to dance in a dirtier/extras club and lead customers on to pretend like you offer them, and then after you get the cash, completely deny it all. But that is soooooo draining and tiring since you have to do ninja moves to constantly fight off the handsys.
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Yeah, this is what I meant by not paying much attention to girls willing to do more. I'm not going to harangue them for wanting to go the extra mile, but sometimes on a slow night I'll be busting my ass hustling and some of these girls are always busy in the private rooms. So now there's that, not exactly what I signed up for when getting into the business. Sometimes I find myself having to work a lot more hours to make up for any losses. The whole point of being a stripper, at least for me, was to make great money where I wouldn't have to work so many hours.
I hear about this a lot and I believe it. Where I am my guess is that it's often the extras girls that will do this and sometimes I wonder how these girls got into such an arrangement. I can only imagine them saying something like "If you hook me up with the whales I'll give you a freebie, this one's on me."
This is very true although at one club I worked at, I noticed there were a few girls who would come late, around 10 and then leave early at around 1 or 2. I was told by my friend who worked with me that these girls were most likely escorts who had already prearranged something with a regular outside of the club, and would come to the club to sleep with them there.
Ugh yes, I remember working at one particular club for an extended period and I started to notice a theme of creepy old men coming into the club like clockwork. At this place I stood out like a sore thumb and these creepy ones loved it. I was banking there, but it was also mentally draining because these creepy old men (who sometimes smelled) were not nice at all and were often trying to do shit like lick my nipples or basically try to molest me during a simple lapdance. Some of them flat out told me that they were coming in to get sucked off and expected me to do the same, sometimes getting pissed off that I wouldn't. I eventually moved to another club which had a lot less of that, thankfully. But remembering some of those mean creepy ones...
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Wine anyone
Honestly I wish this thread would stop. Yes I can empathize with Tsepmet about having to deal with extras. Especially seeing customer comments about it on sites like tuscl (stay away from there if you want to be sane).
We can complain about extras until we're blue in the face. Is that really going to make them stop? Let me know if it does. I however think it's just drawing more attention..perhaps even encouragement?.. to extras going on. Why don't we discuss what we CAN do to eliminate/avoid/deal with the issue?
Ah, there's one solution.
^It's a useful perspective - when working, it's best to ignore extras.
However, as this is a support forum, all are allowed to vent. If the thread topic bothers you, then unsubscribe from it.




I have worked all over the country and have only been in ONE club that didn't tolerate extras.
As a clean dancer, I'm tired of being sexually assaulted by customers on a daily basis because extras girls have trained them to think that it's okay. Just because we are strippers doesn't mean that we deserve to be treated like this.
I hope this thread never stops because it gives me hope that other dancers see what's going on here. I don't feel so alone in my frustration anymore.
So, what can we do about it? We can refuse to do extras and spread the word that it's unacceptable behavior.
What we really need are managers and bouncers on our side that care about the future of our industry, not just their pocketbooks.
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