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    While them jumping in your conversation and threatening to jump you and your manager putting his hands on you are not OKAY, this all stems from the fact that nobody likes a bragger especially in a such a competitive environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arielbriel View Post
    While them jumping in your conversation and threatening to jump you and your manager putting his hands on you are not OKAY, this all stems from the fact that nobody likes a bragger especially in a such a competitive environment.
    The conversation doesn't stem from bragging. After I said that, the housemom and I began briefly discussing the extras issue because she said "you're the girl who makes the most money the clean way" and then extras girls cut in. Bragging tends to occur in a competitive environment nonetheless, and the events that occured did not stem from brgging; rather, they stemmed from a work environment where illegal activities are accepted by management and where management is extremely inappropriate and unprofessional.
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    I really don't see how you are going to solve the "extras" problem if the club management and owner won't stop it. Do you guys ever talk to management and the owner about this problem? If your management won't cooperate, you may have to contact law enforcement. Prostitution is illegal including lap dances. You can do it one of two ways. You can leave an anonymous tip through the phone or internet. Or, more effectively, you can go in to the precinct of that city either alone or with friends who agree with you, and chat with a detective. If the police won't do anything, you may have to go to the city attorney and up the chain of command. Many of the girls in these clubs that turn tricks are also pimped out. You can contact the national human trafficking task force. You can also form a group of girls in your club who are legitimate dancers and picket, have sit-ins and protest right outside the door of the club. Unions do it all the time. If you all can organize enough clean dancers together to fight this issue in these ways, you can definitely get rid of the problem. But if you don't do it, you have little chance of anything changing.

    There are also a lot of human rights groups out there like the ACLU and SAGE that can help women who are being coerced into committing acts of prostitution which it sounds like a lot of you are. I used to be a strip dancer, but this shit didn't go on nearly as much in the 90s. I quit when the girls started getting a little too touchy, feely with the customers. They were grinding against the guys dicks doing a lap dance and guys were touching them. I'm sorry, but I don't want any creep putting their hands on me, and I certainly don't want to feel hard dick through their pants. I worked as a legitimate stripper. When it became too much of hassle, I quit. I saw it like I might as well be turning tricks if I going to do that. Eventually, that led me to become an escort some years later when my husband left me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sexymadness View Post
    I really don't see how you are going to solve the "extras" problem if the club management and owner won't stop it. Do you guys ever talk to management and the owner about this problem? If your management won't cooperate, you may have to contact law enforcement. Prostitution is illegal including lap dances. You can do it one of two ways. You can leave an anonymous tip through the phone or internet. Or, more effectively, you can go in to the precinct of that city either alone or with friends who agree with you, and chat with a detective. If the police won't do anything, you may have to go to the city attorney and up the chain of command. Many of the girls in these clubs that turn tricks are also pimped out. You can contact the national human trafficking task force. You can also form a group of girls in your club who are legitimate dancers and picket, have sit-ins and protest right outside the door of the club. Unions do it all the time. If you all can organize enough clean dancers together to fight this issue in these ways, you can definitely get rid of the problem. But if you don't do it, you have little chance of anything changing.

    These days, coercion isn't super common. IME, club owners now hide behind the "just do whatever you're comfortable with back there!" explanation when asked about the contact level that is expected. I also find it nearly impossible to believe that law enforcement isn't already aware of what goes down in most clubs in town, as they're often customers themselves.

    It's also a touchy fucking issue because reporting your own club to LE is a bit like shooting yourself in the foot. What's the ideal outcome here? That the club shuts down and limits places for girls to work, thus causing a rush of girls to overfill other clubs in the area? That the owner gets a slap on his wrist and starts enforcing the laws (which might happen for a couple of months, but contact would slip back into chaos soon after)? I'm not seeing many benefits here.

    Lastly, expecting to be able to picket and form a union when most girls won't even share their real names with other girls (due to stigma and whatnot) is a pretty high expectation that borders on impossible in this economic climate. Try asking a girl who needs this job to feed her family to form a union. Hah!

    I know I sound cynical as fuck, but in most clubs (we don't all live in San Francisco), this advice is laughably unrealistic.

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    ^^^^^wow thats a horrible idea!!! don't contact police or anyone!!! trust me, they already know and don't care but in the off chance that your cry for help ends up in a bust it will fuck over all the clean girls-the club could shut down, they could be cited for prostitution, the club could get fined and raise fees to cover that-it will never end well!! if you cant handle working alongside dirty girls then move clubs or quit dancing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    These days, coercion isn't super common. IME, club owners now hide behind the "just do whatever you're comfortable with back there!" explanation when asked about the contact level that is expected. I also find it nearly impossible to believe that law enforcement isn't already aware of what goes down in most clubs in town, as they're often customers themselves.

    It's also a touchy fucking issue because reporting your own club to LE is a bit like shooting yourself in the foot. What's the ideal outcome here? That the club shuts down and limits places for girls to work, thus causing a rush of girls to overfill other clubs in the area? That the owner gets a slap on his wrist and starts enforcing the laws (which might happen for a couple of months, but contact would slip back into chaos soon after)? I'm not seeing many benefits here.

    Lastly, expecting to be able to picket and form a union when most girls won't even share their real names with other girls (due to stigma and whatnot) is a pretty high expectation that borders on impossible in this economic climate. Try asking a girl who needs this job to feed her family to form a union. Hah!

    I know I sound cynical as fuck, but in most clubs (we don't all live in San Francisco), this advice is laughably unrealistic.
    Well, what I meant was that the customers/johns themselves are coercing you into turning tricks by saying they won't pay you if you don't do whatever they want all the while knowing that you are dependent on the money. If low level law enforcement patrol officers won't do anything, you need to go up the chain of command. i.e. detectives, captain, all the way up to the district attorney. The club will not find out you went to LE on them if you don't tell them. Ideally, they could close all the clubs down in the area that won't abide by the law. But more than likely, a few clubs will start getting fined and a few extras girls getting arrested on stings along with their johns is what's more likely to happen. And the word will get out causing the clubs to clean up their act.

    The ladies that are clean and legit will need to work together to get rid of the problem. I mean you don't have to do any of the things that I suggested, but I don't see the problem getting solved any other way. People don't change bad behavior unless they are made to pay consequences. It's just the way it is. If not, it won't change and extras girls will end up running you out. In other words, if you don't put out, you won't get any dances/business whatever. That's the way it goes. Once one girl starts sucking dick in the club, they are going expect it out of all of you. It really doesn't matter that you are prettier if the only guys that are coming into your club are the ones looking for a place to stick their dick. Trust me. I've escorted, and the girls that get all the business are the ones that will do anything for a buck not necessarily the pretty ones. And I've seen some UGLY ass escorts get tons of business. It's just the way it is.

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    wtf nina, that's frightening!! omg, idk what i would do if a manger put his fucking dirty-ass hands on me! i've had them yell at me but that's a whole new level of abuse! that's insane. i wouldn't stay another damn night there making his scummy ass club money

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    Quote Originally Posted by sexymadness View Post
    Well, what I meant was that the customers/johns themselves are coercing you into turning tricks by saying they won't pay you if you don't do whatever they want all the while knowing that you are dependent on the money. If low level law enforcement patrol officers won't do anything, you need to go up the chain of command. i.e. detectives, captain, all the way up to the district attorney. The club will not find out you went to LE on them if you don't tell them. Ideally, they could close all the clubs down in the area that won't abide by the law. But more than likely, a few clubs will start getting fined and a few extras girls getting arrested on stings along with their johns is what's more likely to happen. And the word will get out causing the clubs to clean up their act.

    The ladies that are clean and legit will need to work together to get rid of the problem. I mean you don't have to do any of the things that I suggested, but I don't see the problem getting solved any other way. People don't change bad behavior unless they are made to pay consequences. It's just the way it is. If not, it won't change and extras girls will end up running you out. In other words, if you don't put out, you won't get any dances/business whatever. That's the way it goes. Once one girl starts sucking dick in the club, they are going expect it out of all of you. It really doesn't matter that you are prettier if the only guys that are coming into your club are the ones looking for a place to stick their dick. Trust me. I've escorted, and the girls that get all the business are the ones that will do anything for a buck not necessarily the pretty ones. And I've seen some UGLY ass escorts get tons of business. It's just the way it is.
    you say you haven't danced since the 90s yet you know how the clubs work now? ive worked at so many clubs ive lost count and I cant think of one where hardcore extras didnt happen yet ive still made tons of $$ with no problem. maybe if youre trying to get regs in bumfuck nowhere blatant extras might be an issue but when you work in nyc, lv, nola, sf, tx, and other areas that attract a ton of tourists and/or have booming industries you are just a n umber and the customers are just a number too. for every guy who insists on getting extras I meet 20 more who are cool with regular lap dances or paid time. you really don't know how the industry works, police will bust anyone they want and if they haven't busted a club that means they don't care. strip clubs arent the same as a cheap escort site, most guys in decent clubs wont take a $100 handjob from some fat bitch with no teeth over a regular lap dance or room from a beautiful girl thays fun to be around. extras are everywhere and if it wasn't possible to make money in a club with a dirty girl then we would all be broke. the only girls whose money it affects are girls that spend the shift bitching in the dr! the rest of us that turn a blind eye do just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlotte. View Post
    you say you haven't danced since the 90s yet you know how the clubs work now? ive worked at so many clubs ive lost count and I cant think of one where hardcore extras didnt happen yet ive still made tons of $$ with no problem. maybe if youre trying to get regs in bumfuck nowhere blatant extras might be an issue but when you work in nyc, lv, nola, sf, tx, and other areas that attract a ton of tourists and/or have booming industries you are just a n umber and the customers are just a number too. for every guy who insists on getting extras I meet 20 more who are cool with regular lap dances or paid time. you really don't know how the industry works, police will bust anyone they want and if they haven't busted a club that means they don't care. strip clubs arent the same as a cheap escort site, most guys in decent clubs wont take a $100 handjob from some fat bitch with no teeth over a regular lap dance or room from a beautiful girl thays fun to be around. extras are everywhere and if it wasn't possible to make money in a club with a dirty girl then we would all be broke. the only girls whose money it affects are girls that spend the shift bitching in the dr! the rest of us that turn a blind eye do just fine.
    Well Charlotte, it sounds like you have all the answers. So keep doing what you're doing. I just don't understand why you, the op and everyone else is bitching about it in the first place. If it isn't affecting you, why complain? Like you said, you make tons of money anyways, so keep on dancing next to whores. After all is said and done, you still have your big house, your corvette, your IRA account and your clothes from Nordstroms.

    Umm, $40 or 20, as other dancers on here have witnessed, for a blow job sounds pretty cheap to me. It sounds to me that you think that "cheap escorts" are beneath you. But sucking dick is sucking dick whether it's in a club or off craigslist or on a street corner. But keep telling yourself that you're better since all you do is grind on someone's dick and let guys touch you wherever
    they feel like. Yep, you're much better than a cheap prostitute. After all, you don't go as "far," ------YET.

    Good luck

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    Woah dere kiddos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by simone87 View Post
    wtf nina, that's frightening!! omg, idk what i would do if a manger put his fucking dirty-ass hands on me! i've had them yell at me but that's a whole new level of abuse! that's insane. i wouldn't stay another damn night there making his scummy ass club money
    I know! I was too outraged by the girls who were threatening to jump me to know how to even react, I was just shocked! This manager has told girls before that he has anger problems... he was very drunk at the time. I was also concerned for my friend when he threatened to kill her. He even said something to her like "what happened to the last white bitch who was mouthing off to me at my last club? I had a black bitch come beat the fuck out of her while she was on stage." WTF? This behavior is just completely inappropriate for a manager, and dangerous to the girls. The fact that not only is this manager turning his cheek with regard to extras, he's siding with them (and in that way encouraging it) while I get reprimanded for initiating absolutely nothing! The other staff there were on my side and talked to him after I left because they know I have a good ethic and I'm there only to work, not cause drama. It's just like, what hope can I have for my club (or city) when the management condones extras occurring? It's a sad situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by simone87 View Post
    wtf nina, that's frightening!! omg, idk what i would do if a manger put his fucking dirty-ass hands on me! i've had them yell at me but that's a whole new level of abuse! that's insane. i wouldn't stay another damn night there making his scummy ass club money
    Oh, and I've decided I'm going to keep working there (but find a secondary club as well) because I do make good money there and I like the rest of the management and staff, and there's no way I'm gonna let ANYONE run me out of my club! My old favorite manager still works there and it's his shift tonight, so I don't have to deal with the scumbag guy
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    Quote Originally Posted by MyButter View Post
    I had a pretty enlightening conversation with my boss about (our unique form) of extras yesterday. It made me realize that even owners are conflicted about what to do, especially in areas where they literally only have one source of income (selling drinks). When trying to just keep a business afloat do you get rid of girls who bring In the people who financially contribute the most to the bar because you know these girls are doing stuff that is against the rules? Or do you continue to let it slide because it financially benefits your business-but also knowing it makes it so much more difficult for other girls to make money?
    Yes. The majority of my management and other staff (housemom, bouncers etc) genuinely empathizes with me about extras, but know that there's nothing they can do about it - or if that they risked doing something about it, they'd also be risking their jobs.
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    I don't hate escorts either. That's their business and they can do what they want. But I don't appreciate it in the club where it is against the rules...and law technically. It messes with the flow of the business. ANd gets men to come in an expect something that is not supposed to be given inside the club.

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