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    Default MFC vs. Streamate :: Clean Clubs vs. Dirty Clubs

    When I logged on today I noticed new posts in the latest "extras are bad" threads. I also noticed some new posts in the MFC (MyFreeCams) threads. It occurred to me in reading the comments on MFC vs. Streamate you see a lot of the same arguments for clean vs. dirty dancing but in the other direction.

    Most dancers agree that MFC is cleaner in terms of what women are expected to do. As one of the camgirls put it something like, "MFC allows me to make a good living without ever having to shove my fist up my ass". The degree to which MFC can be cleaner in some cases can be quite extreme. For example as I'm writing this #32 on this month's Miss MFC contest is a women whom I like watching and I don't have a clue what her breasts even look like; the most she's ever flashed since I've watched her is thigh and cleavage. I consider her a pantomime not really even a stripper, she calls and considers herself a burlesque entertainer. She won't do privates, groups or true privates. Yet in public rooms she's hitting her $25 per 5 minutes goal in almost every 5 min cycle I've watched her. I've seen another women who is doing $1-2k day and she isn't even making the top 100 yet. #15 at the time I'm writing this doesn't do nudity in public, nor groups, not anything but TruePrivates and has rather strict rules in those. etc... So clearly MFC makes it possible to earn money without extreme sex.

    On the other hand... when you read the MFC threads here there is quite a lot of complaining from women who have lower camscores about the complexity of the shows. The women with camscores in the 3000+ range obviously plan their shows in advance. Given the setup times, the planning time, creating editing... videos, creating custom chotskies for their rooms, responding to regulars, ... it wouldn't shock me if they are doing 2 hours offline for every hour online. And of course they maintain a regular schedule, do long shifts of several hours. Work 4+ days a week... all the things associated with a normal job. They are hosting a TV program with nudity, not showing up to a camsite to do a few private shows when the mood strikes them. And so most of the women (cam models) when actually confronted with the choice seem to prefer less money, less headache, more flexibility from the other sites where they don't have to work the room so intensely. Given the choice they go for more sexual content and less seduction even at the cost of a lower hourly wage.

    Seeing this back to back for me the analogy to ITC extras is obvious. "Clean girls" have to work harder to get their dances. They have to do a much better job in being seductive. Selling champagne rooms in air dance clubs is far closer to what MFC women are doing than what Streamate women are doing. Those airdance corporate clubs don't exist in large numbers today for reasons of governmental policy. So women working in 2012 in actual physical strip clubs don't have the MFC style option. But I do find it interesting that many of the cammers on the very same site take the opposite opinion. When these women are actually confronted with the options in front of them and the reality of what it takes to appeal the mind or the heart of their clients and not just be a mechanism to relieve an erection, most women would rather relieve the erection. And what's interesting is they would rather do this, even for less money. They know the top MFC are making bunko money. Extras women don't post here, but the MFC threads when you look at them are the apologetic for extras with some obvious substitution. Women after women on the cam threads pretty much says that she wants the steady regular quick money that comes from selling a bread and butter cam product rather than having to engage in complex marketing and make herself into a stand out individual with a real fan base.

    Obviously there are some places this analogy does break down. There are few legal differences between what happens in MFC and what happens in Streamate, and those that do exist since Streamate has tighter controls on public porn might even break in Streamate's favor. No one is going to get an STD from Streamate or MFC. So does anyone agree, disagree, think I'm nuts in my analogy...? Do you think those two breakdown kill this analogy? Dancers and camers I put this in blue because I didn't want to seem trolling, but feel free to weigh in.
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    Default Re: MFC vs. Streamate :: Clean Clubs vs. Dirty Clubs

    This appears to be an older post but honestly MFC = clean and SM= dirty seems to be off. SM is more so person to person where MFC is more everyone with or without money gets a shot.

    The MFC cam site model works on popularity and having many people in your room. Most of which will never spend a dime on your shows but will record you just the same. These sites work on the group mindset. If everyone is in the room then everyone must think you're the best and in so each man in the room will agree in $$$. Also depending on what is tipped usually determines how other men tip. Follow the leader is the game here.

    The site also sets up private at $ 6-8 per minute to ensure that most of the action happens in free chat to continue the freecam system. If the private option changed where the model could choose how much her privates where many models would be in and out of private and the hierarchy would crumble. You can't have people on the top if there aren't any people on the bottom.

    The SM model is the original standard of camming. You entice the customer(s) into a private show. These sites work more so on the individual man's mind of what he wants. Lone wolf is the game here.

    Two different models of business and also two different payout options as well.

    Dirty is typically free chat shows, fucking, dp, anal, sucking, gagging for all to see even up to 2000 people watching while the same 25 people tip. = MFC

    Clean is keeping the naughty fun private. Also many of these privates can be just basic chatting. It doesn't always delve into straight action. The benefit here is that only paying members get to watch with the exception of 30 sec peepers.=SM

    Even SM created something similar to MFC's countdown shows called Gold Shows but again only the people that have pledged get to watch and the rest get left out in the cold looking at her profile picture.

    On both sites models have the option of non-nude camming. MFC has models that do games and entertain in other was but still bring in $$$. I would say out of MFC and SM models make more on MFC non- nude than they do on SM. So all in all either side works for the individual model. It just depends on what her limits are.

    Some models find making money for a group of men easier @ 50% then waiting for individuals at 35% plus converting members over with their cammodel link which is an extra 20%.

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    Default Re: MFC vs. Streamate :: Clean Clubs vs. Dirty Clubs

    Quote Originally Posted by cherryblossomsinspring View Post
    This appears to be an older post but honestly MFC = clean and SM= dirty seems to be off. SM is more so person to person where MFC is more everyone with or without money gets a shot.

    The MFC cam site model works on popularity and having many people in your room. Most of which will never spend a dime on your shows but will record you just the same. These sites work on the group mindset. If everyone is in the room then everyone must think you're the best and in so each man in the room will agree in $$$. Also depending on what is tipped usually determines how other men tip. Follow the leader is the game here.
    I agree though as an MFC customer who has tipped getting the room going is possible as a guy. Also good MFC performers don't let their room go dead they make sure tips are constantly going. To pick a #1 MFCer ****** whole point in pushing for 10 new tippers of 13 tokens is not to earn $5 but to make sure that the room never dries up.

    Quote Originally Posted by cherryblossomsinspring View Post
    The site also sets up private at $ 6-8 per minute to ensure that most of the action happens in free chat to continue the freecam system. If the private option changed where the model could choose how much her privates where many models would be in and out of private and the hierarchy would crumble. You can't have people on the top if there aren't any people on the bottom.
    Small quibble here to start. Average guy is buying tokens at $.082 / token not $.1 token with bigger tippers at $.08. It is more like $5/7. Not sure why on SW the models / dancers think $.1 is the norm but it isn't.

    As far as MFC the hierarchy is:
    level 1: Make very little money privates are a huge boost
    level 2: Make good money in public chat but make more in private.
    level 3: Do privates but only when your room is dying out or when scheduled
    level 4: won't take privates make too much money in public chat

    Quote Originally Posted by cherryblossomsinspring View Post
    Some models find making money for a group of men easier @ 50% then waiting for individuals at 35% plus converting members over with their cammodel link which is an extra 20%.
    Excellent point about the bonus there for the 20%! I had forgotten about that.
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    Default Re: MFC vs. Streamate :: Clean Clubs vs. Dirty Clubs

    Quote Originally Posted by knightwish View Post
    Small quibble here to start. Average guy is buying tokens at $.082 / token not $.1 token with bigger tippers at $.08. It is more like $5/7. Not sure why on SW the models / dancers think $.1 is the norm but it isn't.

    As far as MFC the hierarchy is:
    level 1: Make very little money privates are a huge boost
    level 2: Make good money in public chat but make more in private.
    level 3: Do privates but only when your room is dying out or when scheduled
    level 4: won't take privates make too much money in public chat
    MFC models receive $.05 per token, regardless of how much the guy spends to buy them. Girls receive 60 tokens per minute for regular private and 80 per minute for the so-called "True Private", so the rate is $3-4 per minute depending on the type of private. Group shows can pay even less, since the minimum number of people is 3, each of whom only pays 10 token per minute per guy.

    The girls are probably unclear about how the customer payment system works because they don't use it. I'm also guessing that most don't really care anyway. I'm sure that all that matters to them is what they earn from the tokens provided to them.

    As for the rest, I might be hesitant to come on a site that has a lot of MFC cam girls and tell them how their own "hierarchy" works, but clearly you are a braver man than I.
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    Default Re: MFC vs. Streamate :: Clean Clubs vs. Dirty Clubs

    Quote Originally Posted by knightwish View Post
    I agree though as an MFC customer who has tipped getting the room going is possible as a guy. Also good MFC performers don't let their room go dead they make sure tips are constantly going. To pick a #1 MFCer Ginny Potter's whole point in pushing for 10 new tippers of 13 tokens is not to earn but to make sure that the room never dries up.
    I don't know why your posts always come across making you sound egocentric . I think this is why no cam model responded. Obviously I just insulted myself for doing so lol.

    This" I agree though as an MFC customer who has tipped getting the room going is possible as a guy"

    Ohh so it's your penis that gets a room started? Yawwn.
    I've gotten model rooms going as....wait for it... a woman.

    Now the whole "good performers do this". Again a performer can be the greatest. If members don't spend then they don't spend. I've watched models , entice, chat, tease, pull off all their clothes, fuck themselves and got maybe 300 tokens in 2 hrs. I've seen some models just talk and again made nothing. Other members that tip for "non nude models" typically fall under what MFC has dubbed "pedobears", "financial subs", men that want to chat and don't want to see a dripping gash in their face. I used to get pedobears as long as I giggled and looked super sweet. The point is those are the same ones that think they can talk you into meeting them or really try hard to push boundaries.

    Point is when it comes to MFC camscore is everything mainly because it sets up how many members spend money. If the site says you are the best thing then everyone just agrees and spends accordingly. This is why some models and even "cam pimps" tend to invest in their camscores by tipping offline. This ensures that her camscore goes up faster and higher if she's not logged in while receiving those tips. Then once she logs in she'll be in prime location for maximum visibility. This means most of the customer base will get to her room before any other model's room thus making sure she has access to most of their money first. After these men have spent their money and she logs off they still seek out attention. So they tend to troll at lower cam model rooms hoping to squeeze out a cheaper level of action.

    Point is the model has to have enough members that are into this tame experience to make a good income off of it. Many have tried and if they go on MFC they need to go specific days or keep a schedule to reconnect with these same members. If they log in outside of that time they may be sitting in a mostly empty room. Still If they moved up high enough it will not matter since they will always have members in their room making money.

    I've seen top models lose 10,000 points in a few days to a week mainly because their tips came in offline ( by them or someone else) and it's not enough to keep them there because they didn't bring enough in during free chat within those days.



    Problem OP is you're seeing what's going on in free chat and you have no idea if any of those tips coming in are actually from random members or from "site staff", friend's of the model in person, the model's husband/bf/gf/wife,promotions staff etc. You are not privy to those details no will you ever be.

    Even escorting. There are known models in the higher score brackets that escort through MFC where on SM personal info exchanging is almost forbidden and will get your acct frozen or get a model kicked off.

    MFC is pretty much anything goes so clean it is not. Far from it. Yet a model chooses how naughty she wants to get in free chat.
    SM is pretty much tease and go private with PAYING MEMBERS only. They have nude and non nude options here as well.

    With all that said I can make money faster on MFC and have made the most money on MFC in a short period of time. I can sit in free chat giggle tease and talk where men will tip just for my company. The point is that isn't all the time and those types tend to feel like they've found their own personal girlfriend. So you'll see jealousy peak out or weird competitive behavior ( sometimes works in your favor in $$$) other times they try to block your money yet don't have any of their own to spend.

    If you want to really wise up on camscores look at camscore stats or even look at mycamgirl.net. You'll get a glimpse of how a model randomly shot up an extra 5000 points yet she only logged in for 20 minutes and there were clearly no high tips being dropped in her room. You also have to take into account many members hide the tokens they drop so they don't get harassed by other models to join their room.

    Ohh and one other thing you missed is that many models on MFC are also on SM. When they don't want to work a crowd they go for direct one on one shows all of which may not involve or require nudity.

    If you want to spend money on a model while she's not nude you can actually do that on any site out there. If you want to tip her and look cool in front of other men while you get attention ie (circle jerk bromance) then it's better to do it on MFC where a model has the highest number of male members in attendance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    MFC models receive $.05 per token, regardless of how much the guy spends to buy them. Girls receive 60 tokens per minute for regular private and 80 per minute for the so-called "True Private", so the rate is $3-4 per minute depending on the type of private. Group shows can pay even less, since the minimum number of people is 3, each of whom only pays 10 token per minute per guy.
    Worse than that. Group shows are 3 to start. They keep going with only 1. I've often jumped in on group shows near the end and done 5-10 minutes alone or one other guy. As for the rates if we are going to compare what the girl gets then SM rates are 1/3rd or listed rates. Chery was using the cost for guy rate not take for girl numbers just using the .1 figure.

    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    The girls are probably unclear about how the customer payment system works because they don't use it. I'm also guessing that most don't really care anyway. I'm sure that all that matters to them is what they earn from the tokens provided to them.

    As for the rest, I might be hesitant to come on a site that has a lot of MFC cam girls and tell them how their own "hierarchy" works, but clearly you are a braver man than I.
    Well yes Just as they don't buy tokens they also don't follow lots of other models mostly. The basic structure is the basic structure. Its not hard to see the top girls don't want privates because they are making far more in public chat. At the same time 60 / token / min even at $.05 / token = $180 / hr. There aren't many women here making enough money on MFC to be indifferent to privates. I think there are some 3s in my hierarchy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knightwish View Post
    Just as they don't buy tokens they also don't follow lots of other models mostly.
    How could you possibly know the extent to which models study other models? Honestly KW, I'm not trying to be harsh here, but the most difficult part of these back and forth discussions with you is your tendency to pull speculative shit out of the air and then plunk it down as a statement of fact. Unless you are a mind reader or conducted a poll, you have no way to know how common it is for models to observe other models. Btw, in my more limited experiences on MFC, I've heard exactly the opposite, but for the same reasons that I'm criticizing your statement, I'm not going to state my alternative view as a statement of fact because I cannot.

    But maybe you're right and you have done more research in how to be a good cam girl than the cam girls themselves, lol. Maybe they are really sitting there in their own universes, completely ignoring what the other cam girls are doing, as unlikely as that sound to anyone with a lick of common sense. Perhaps you should offer up your services as a cam girl consultant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    How could you possibly know the extent to which models study other models?
    By the level of knowledge that they show of other models. When the subject comes up how informed are they? For example during August when camgirl mansion was going on lots of the women met each other for the first time. The guys on MFC knew the various women far better than the models did themselves. When models are doing their thing for the Ms. MFC the girls are remarkably unfamiliar with each other's flow and thus when they need to score to maintain relative position. Etc, etc, etc...

    If the women were genuinely engaging in professional study of one another I'd expect them to know far far more than the customers. Who shoots with whom. Where people are located. Who uses what equipment. What other sites other models are on. Which regular circulate. That's the kind of deep knowledge I'd expect if women were studying their competition. The fact that they are as oblivious as they are means they don't study.

    When I work in telco I know everything T-mobile, Sprint, Verizon and AT&T are doing consumer and commercial. You tell me I'm going to be bidding on a job in Phoenix 3 days after you give me any random block and I'm going to be able to estimate what port and line is going to cost. I know the top 20 MVNOs line and port costs to any destination I care about. I know from the top 100 MVNOs who is likely to provide a specialized service. If I'm putting Cisco equipment in this month I certainly know off the top of my head what the equivalent Juniper, Extreme, Alcatel... cost. I pay to go to conferences just to talk to peers and make sure I'm getting the best prices possible and I'm not missing anything. Your excuse about the token price is a great example of what's missing. I'd be fired in a second, and rightfully so, if I didn't know the price of something critical because my customers but not me was impacted by the cost.

    I've seen big spenders from MFC show up and the girls don't even know him when I, who at that point was a newbee do. WTF?! If women were doing that research then every women on MFC would be compiling spreadsheets of the top 10,000 spenders of the last 3 months and what kinks they like. They would be sharing this between each other (or buying from 3rd party providers).

    There is no comparison between professionals in telco and the general public when it comes to telco knowledge. There is no comparison between people in detergent chemicals and the general public when it comes to knowledge of chemical cleaning. There is no comparison between professionals in boat engines and the general public when it comes to characteristics of boat engines. The difference between informed specialists and the general public isn't remotely close.

    Camconnection would be a totally different place if they were studying. Likely there would be such a specialized vocabulary and such a depth of insider information that you or I couldn't even follow the discussions successfully.

    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    Perhaps you should offer up your services as a cam girl consultant?
    There is no money in it. The people who pay for research are the people who value research enough to do it for themselves and want more.

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    KW, you're making a lot of potentially faulty assumptions based upon a gimmicky event involving a small number of entertainers. I just don't have the energy to get sucked into a another one of these with you. I'll leave it to others in the extremely unlikely event that any of them want to get caught up in this heavy in theory/light on understanding of practical realities nonsense.

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