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    I'm not here to complain about some stripper but I am curious what the right behavior would have been for me. This has been bugging me for about a month since it happened.

    I was at a well known club (the flagship of one of the chains) and two girls approached me together. They told me that because it was a quiet night that if I took them into the champagne room they'd both dance for an hour for $300 total. Obviously it sounds too good to be true, so I confirm it with them about 3 times, repeating it back, asking if they're really serious. Given that it wasn't some no-name club, I took their word for it and each time they answered in the affirmative. So we give the money to the cashier and headed to the champagne room. Touching was legal in that room, so if you tell me I can touch 4 boobs for an hour I admittedly get a little boob-dumb.

    That's where reality came crashing down hard. They immediately sit on my lap and tell me that it'll be another $3000+tip each, but that I can have sex with both of them. That's not what I wanted (nor did I have that kind of money), so I said no. They proceeded with a "well what did you think happens in the champagne room?" rant. Now I'm no strip club junkie, but I've been in my fare share of clubs and champagne rooms and I've never been solicited to before, so I really wasn't expecting that.

    I stood firm with my answer that I wasn't interested in anything other than a $300 dance for an hour with both girls there, as we had discussed before going back. They both got up and said my time was up and that they lost money on me (after paying the cashier) and that I'm stingy and need to learn how to be more generous and that if I'm a decent person I'll tip them on the way out of the room.

    Since we hadn't have been back there more than 15 minutes and they didn't even dance, I brought up the fact that I didn't receive what we had agreed to. They said "what did you expect?" So I told them that I'd be speaking to a manager about what happened. Their attitudes changed pretty quick but they didn't seem to have any interest in righting the situation. They started following me around the club as I looked for the friends that I came with. Once I sat down their rambling had progressed more to a worried "are you going to tell anyone? Don't tell anyone or you'll look like an idiot." So I said "look. How about you dance for me here for 3 songs and we'll part ways and call it even? They refused. The girl who was on my friend's lap basically threw one of her friends onto my lap and said "he has a girl, you can leave now" and they followed her orders.

    Long story short, I didn't really want to be a tattle tale, but I also didn't want to get screwed out of $300.

    What was the best thing to do? I paid $300 and didn't get so much as the slightest hint at a dance. All I got was solicitation. I basically took the approach of "I was an idiot for ever believing it, now please leave me alone."

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    Default Re: Non-delivery of dances after paying

    I think it would have been fair for you to talk to a manager.

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    Did you tell the cashier? You're an adult who spent money on a service that wasn't rendered. Pointing that out doesn't make you a tattletale. Obviously dancers who have no qualms about ripping you off aren't going to all of a sudden feel bad and rectify the situation. The best you could do is tell management or the cashier immediately after. Still no guarantee you'd get your money back, but coming out of an hour-long VIP after 15 minutes would at least make them listen.

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    Heck you should have discussed with a manager.

    They probably would have said that the $300 for an hour for two girls was way below policy. What were you expecting for that?

    Explain what you did here. The verifying 4 times. And that it was a front or admission fee for a solicitation.

    Manager might not care about that. It might be SOP there. But maybe not and an opportunity to make a correction.

    Management can't correct something they're not aware of. They're not the ones who got solicited.

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    Tattletale? You were more than reasonable. They were stealing from the clubs customers. I think you should have reported it. And frankly if those women are still there I think you should still report it. This is the kind of thing the manager is there for. If the manager has any reason to believe you he is likely to be rather upset.

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    I'm sorry this happened to you. You should have gone right back to the cashier and asked her to call the club manager.

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    I couldn't tell if OP had been to this particular club before or not. This deal smells fishy to me- sounds like a classic con game. Even if you had negotiated the "tag team" down to a lower (but still expensive level), I'm skeptical that they would have "delivered" even then.

    Incident further underscores the importance of doing some advance reading of reviews on customer oriented review sites to ascertain what the so called "Champagne Room" fees include, plus reasonably expected tips for certain level of service/satisfaction.

    IMO- seeing cashier or manager about being shorted on time for CR would have been reasonable.
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    In the years I purchased CRs or even LDs, I never paid for anything up front except the room fee, nor would I have considered it. On any occasion I felt shortchanged (and this only happened through attempts at inflating the dance count), I refused to pay for any services not provided.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bem401 View Post
    I never paid for anything up front except the room fee.
    ^Depending on the club, country or city, he probably wasn't able to do that (many honest dancers will ask for the dance to be paid for upfront).

    OP, I'm sorry that this happened to you and I hope it hasn't ruined your strip club experience and doesn't deter you from going back and spending time with other dancers. Not ALL dancers will or have done this-unfortunately these two were "rippers". Dancer's like this give us ALL a bad name ! I agree with everyone who said that said that you should have alerted either management or the cashier to the situation.
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    Default Re: Non-delivery of dances after paying

    you said you weren't back there more than 15 minutes-10-15 min for 2 girls for $300 is pretty standard. the time starts when you walk in, not after you spend 10+ min negotiating further. just because they didnt dance doesn't mean you didnt get the time you paid for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlotte. View Post
    you said you weren't back there more than 15 minutes-10-15 min for 2 girls for $300 is pretty standard. the time starts when you walk in, not after you spend 10+ min negotiating further. just because they didnt dance doesn't mean you didnt get the time you paid for.
    Since they promised him an hour for $300 I don't see how he got anywhere near what he paid for. I agree, in most of the clubs I go to it would be about $300 for two girls for 15 minutes. That does not appear to be what happened in this case. Promises were made to get him back in the CR and then the ladies in question tried to up sell him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yoda57us View Post
    Since they promised him an hour for $300 I don't see how he got anywhere near what he paid for. I agree, in most of the clubs I go to it would be about $300 for two girls for 15 minutes. That does not appear to be what happened in this case. Promises were made to get him back in the CR and then the ladies in question tried to up sell him.
    Seems to me he paid about 50 bucks more per dancer than he should have (100 bucks total) for 15 minutes. Regardless, it's all based on hearsay. Complaining to a manager about what the dancers "said" they would give doesn't seem like it would fly too well since it's 1 customer's word against 2 dancers. Still, I would just file these dancers away under "Do Not Conduct Business With" and move on. Personally, I always pay as I go, that way if the dancer decides to "change up her game" or "go take a smoke break" or "get called to stage rotation" there is no money lost while she is gone, because I paid for the past, not the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FasaCorp View Post
    Seems to me he paid about 50 bucks more per dancer than he should have (100 bucks total) for 15 minutes. Regardless, it's all based on hearsay. Complaining to a manager about what the dancers "said" they would give doesn't seem like it would fly too well since it's 1 customer's word against 2 dancers. Still, I would just file these dancers away under "Do Not Conduct Business With" and move on. Personally, I always pay as I go, that way if the dancer decides to "change up her game" or "go take a smoke break" or "get called to stage rotation" there is no money lost while she is gone, because I paid for the past, not the future.
    He didn't pay for 15 minutes, he paid for an hour.
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    I am still not really sure why you didn't bring this up with management. Initially, if you felt the deal was too good to be true, you might have taken a moment to ask the management or cashier for prices. Clearly you felt ripped off, and according to you the girls solicited you for sex and refused to provide the service of dancing for 1 hour- regardless of the price. You threatened to alert management, but you didn't is there a reason why you didn't.

    As I wasn't there to confirm any of the event, and I am sorry that this happened to you. Evidently, you will probably be apprehensive about trusting another dancer anytime soon. I am always dissapointed when I read or hear about dancers like this giving us professionals a bad name. We don't all lie and mislead customers, just for the record.
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    Thank you for the feedback everyone. I appreciate that you took the time to read it and comment. I've chalked it up as a learning experience and if it ever happens again (which I wouldn't expect), I'll talk to management. I was worried that it was a major faux pas that would have gotten me kicked out or something.

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    seems if the cashier took the 300 for the hour ...or whatever for the hour...the club made a deal for an hour

    anything less is under delivering. any cashier knows hours last close to an hour

    tell them then, possible refund

    tell them now, maybe a free admission/free drink card and an apology. no way to verify

    tell them anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by onetimeuse View Post
    That's where reality came crashing down hard. They immediately sit on my lap and tell me that it'll be another $3000+tip each, but that I can have sex with both of them. That's not what I wanted (nor did I have that kind of money), so I said no. They proceeded with a "well what did you think happens in the champagne room?" rant. Now I'm no strip club junkie, but I've been in my fare share of clubs and champagne rooms and I've never been solicited to before, so I really wasn't expecting that.
    I'm still stuck on this piece honestly. I've done a lot of dicey shit in a lot of CR/VIP rooms over the years, and I've seen my share of attempted cons, but I'm having trouble wrapping my arms around this. They quoted you a number that almost anyone would reject, especially one who had to be enticed with a deal to go to the room in the first place. Either they had some reason to believe that you would pay that much money or they wanted you to say "no" so that they could take off early while keeping their cut of the room charge. However, since I'm guessing that the club kept at least a % of the room fee, they couldn't have made that much on the remaining piece. So why did they do it?

    This just doesn't add up honestly. I am trying to take this at face value, but I feel like I'm missing a piece of the story. Knowing which city (not the specific club) that this happened in would shed a great deal of light on this as we would know not only the reasonable p4p pricing grid, but also be able to surmise how much the girls likely got from the room fee.

    However, any way you slice it, some type of ripoff attempt was in progress. The only question that remains is: What was their end game?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    The only question that remains is: What was their end game?
    I have a feeling they were looking rob him of $3,300 but possibly find a few more suckers, quit and hope to make off with $15K or more. I do not believe they would have had sex with him even if he forked over that extra $3,000.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    The only question that remains is: What was their end game?
    It is a curious question indeed but, in 2013, we need to remember that the end game doesn't really have to be logical or clever anymore. Quite a few of the customer posts I'm seeing lately combined with what I'm seeing in the clubs has confirmed for me that there are a lot more dumb and desperate strippers out there with bad game than there used to be. Even if all they got from this little scam was their commission on the club's CR fee (some clubs give one and some don't) they are still better off than when they started. As far as the $3000 each for sex goes they could have banking on everyone saying no so they would never have to do it. They could have also been willing to accept a counter offer that never came...
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