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    Hello there, my hair is virgin black and about 7 inches past my shoulder. Today I mixed two ounces of L'oreal quick blue extra strength with 1/2 cup of 40 Vol peroxide and left it for 50 minutes, All products were new and in good condition and I put some coconut oil 12 hours prior bleaching. And my hair only lift up to about a 3 or a dark maroon (I hair dried about 1/8 of my hair to see how it looks, and it's still brown).

    so far, my hair didn't suffer any damages but I don't want to abuse the bleaching. I don't know what to do, in order to lighten up my hair, I'm looking forward for a 6 medium to light brown. But at this pace I don't think I will be able to achieve it. What do you ladies think? Do you have any recommendations?

    I understand that the only way to achieve a lighter color for me, is through bleaching, but bleaching doesn't seem to do much for me.
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    Default Re: After bleaching my hair didn't really light up

    The bleach you're using is really harsh... I wouldn't do it again. What I should have done when I wanted to go from black to lighter hair (and what everyone told me to do) is lightening gradually through liberal highlights. I'm way too impatient for it, but as I've posted in other threads, I got my hair from black to white blonde with the materials you're using at the expense of extreme damage to my hair. It has been a year and my hair is now cut up to a few inches under my shoulders (it was waist-length), and I still have damage from the bleach along my strands. It's manageable, but I'd have to cut another three or so inches off to get rid of all the damage. I'm doing it gradually so I still have length, but it's a huge pain.

    Anyway... some people would suggest double processing your hair at this point, but I really don't think you should. I think you should go to a salon so you can use heat to get caramel highlights all over, then repeat in a few weeks. Your roots won't be as noticeable and your hair won't be as damaged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaPatrona View Post
    Hello there, my hair is virgin black and about 7 inches past my shoulder. Today I mixed two ounces of L'oreal quick blue extra strength with 1/2 cup of 40 Vol peroxide and left it for 50 minutes, All products were new and in good condition and I put some coconut oil 12 hours prior bleaching. And my hair only lift up to about a 3 or a dark maroon (I hair dried about 1/8 of my hair to see how it looks, and it's still brown).

    so far, my hair didn't suffer any damages but I don't want to abuse the bleaching. I don't know what to do, in order to lighten up my hair, I'm looking forward for a 6 medium to light brown. But at this pace I don't think I will be able to achieve it. What do you ladies think? Do you have any recommendations?

    I understand that the only way to achieve a lighter color for me, is through bleaching, but bleaching doesn't seem to do much for me.

    Can everyone please stop using quick blue? Please?



    Allow me to elaborate--- I thought the blue would tone out brassy/red tones in the hair to give me a neutral blonde look. What ended up happening was that it didn't lighten anywhere near enough. If you have had success with this product, more power to you... most folks I now, have not. Yes the shiny blue package looks appealing, yes... I trust L'Oreal's products, that being said this particular product is a dud... and I can't believe they still sell it.

    Another point: Why are you adding coconut oil to hair that isn't on your scalp????? As far as I know, bleaching on unwashed hair is safer for your skin because the oils your scalp secretes give you a slight barrier of protection. It also helps you get more even results since the heat from your head will make bleach develop faster... the oils impede that somewhat (again, from my experience) and you end up with roots that are comprable in color to the entire length of your hair.

    If you want to avoid damage, please use a lower volume developer. For your current color and goal color, I would recommend a 30 Volume. 30 volume will stay active longer than a 40 volume, so if you are patient, you can get there. You can apply some heat (from a blow dryer) to the foils/plastic/whatever you are using.

    Okay... so let's review.

    - Your hair needs to be bone dry for bleach to work properly.

    - No coconut oil before bleaching if you're lightening anywhere south of your scalp.

    - Creme/Cream 30 Volume developer.
    --- http://www.sallybeauty.com/Creme-Dev...l?cm_vc=SEARCH

    - Clairol BW2 or Basic White
    --- http://www.sallybeauty.com/Clairol-L...l?cm_vc=SEARCH
    --- http://www.sallybeauty.com/Powder-Li...l?cm_vc=SEARCH

    - Saturate your hair with the mix... you have lovely thick hair, consider buying a small tub of powder bleach, if you're stingy with the bleach, you'll be blotchy and uneven. I'm serious, bleach doesn't work well if it is drying out. You want it nice and wet so it stays active for the duration.

    - If your mix isn't wet enough to seep through and around your strands, add a little more developer (the cream liquid stuff... 30 Volume) to the "batter"... LOL.

    - Wrap it up... foil or plastic work fine. If you are going for an ombre look (7" past your shoulders implies that this is what you're going for) you can stick your ends in a shower cap and tie that off with a rubber band or scrunchy so it stays contained. Mush it around every now and again so that the bleach is distributed evenly. Apply heat if you want it develop more dramatically.

    ***** Your hair has red undertones.... big time. Not to worry, my advice is to bleach it further/lighter/brighter than you think you'd normally go.
    You'll look a little orange... maybe a lot orange... it's okay.

    After rinsing the bleach out, you can apply some Clairol Natural Instincts to your hair as per the dye instructions...

    A semi-permanent box dye like Clairol Natural Instincts: http://www.clairol.com/en-US/hair-co...ral-hair-color in maybe #10 Sandalwood dark COOL blonde or #6 Linen medium COOL blonde will tone you down to a neutral #6 shade in literally 5-10 minutes without any damage... it will deposit some color so it will look a bit darker... that's why I suggested going lighter than you want when bleaching THEN adding the Natural Instincts on top to balance things out. There is no ammonia in that product and it lasts for 3 months on freshly bleached hair.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tuesdaymarie View Post
    Anyway... some people would suggest double processing your hair at this point, but I really don't think you should. I think you should go to a salon so you can use heat to get caramel highlights all over, then repeat in a few weeks. Your roots won't be as noticeable and your hair won't be as damaged.
    Getting highlights at a salon is still double processing if the highlights overlap her ends.

    Deep conditioning after dying the hair is a smart move. Using heat styling cautiously on the regions that are processed is also highly advised.
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    Another piece of advice...if you are doing bleach/developer/dye/toner(?) combos I suggest using everything from the same exact brand. No mix & match until you know how it goes. That stuff is formulated to work together.
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    Default Re: After bleaching my hair didn't really light up

    I went almost black to platinum blonde in 1 day using Loreal Quick Blue powdered bleach and a mix of 30 and 40 vol peroxide. However, you MUST add drops of Unred to it so the mixture turns grey instead of blue (counteracts brass), and then use a high lift toner (level 12) or it won't make it to platinum or ash tone.

    I wrote about it and listed the products/process here:

    I mostly used Avery's tutorial and then researched the hell out other products. I am pleased with my process. My hair was virgin, but it had very little damage afterward, and the desired results.

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    Perhaps I misunderstood... did you attempt to bleach you hair past the shoulder or did you try and bleach your full head?
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    Interesting. I've always read/heard of "double processing" as lifting the hair twice in a single sitting, but I agree that more bleach anytime soon is going to stress your hair out. I bleached all of mine twice in a day and didn't have observable damage from it. However, in trying to maintain the roots and tone further down the strand, major problems occurred.

    I think so many people use Quick Blue because it's what all the black to blonde tutorials online recommend. It definitely lightened my hair.

    Quick mention re: hair needing to be dry during the bleaching process-- I don't get why people recommend a bleach bath (the shampoo/bleach thing). It does not make your hair softer or less damaged. So, OP, when someone inevitably comes in and says it's the perfect trick... Please, don't. You'll just dry your hair out more.

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    Please follow Sophia_Starina's advice, I had a bleach mishap recently, and that was after doing tons of reading and YouTube video watching. Sometime advice from 10 different sources that vary slightly isn't as helpful as getting the info from one place/person.

    With her guidance, I bleached and dyed again, and I get complimented on my hair every day- no exaggeration.

    None of the sites I went to mentioned the importance of having the bleach stay wet like she mentioned. I did not buy enough bleach and let it dry more than it should have the first time. After reading her advice I bought more than I thought (I even left the beauty supply store mad because they only had the HUGE tub). That huge tub was the exact amount I needed, I severely underestimated the correct amount.

    I have also noticed other people online recommending using coconut oil Pre-bleach. I think it sounds good, but bleaching is so harsh I really doubt the oil Pre- treatment will make a difference. It's best used post-bleaching to repair your hair.
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    Thanks ladies, sorry for replying so late, I took a long nap. Thanks Sophia for the excellent post, I'm going to do exactly what you told me. I also bleached my whole head, and I have no damage whatsoever. My hair is very thick and strong.

    Thank you all for your reply, I'm going to wait a week before I bleach again, meanwhile I will wear a wig haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PleasureVictim View Post
    Please follow Sophia_Starina's advice, I had a bleach mishap recently, and that was after doing tons of reading and YouTube video watching. Sometime advice from 10 different sources that vary slightly isn't as helpful as getting the info from one place/person.

    With her guidance, I bleached and dyed again, and I get complimented on my hair every day- no exaggeration.

    None of the sites I went to mentioned the importance of having the bleach stay wet like she mentioned. I did not buy enough bleach and let it dry more than it should have the first time. After reading her advice I bought more than I thought (I even left the beauty supply store mad because they only had the HUGE tub). That huge tub was the exact amount I needed, I severely underestimated the correct amount.

    I have also noticed other people online recommending using coconut oil Pre-bleach. I think it sounds good, but bleaching is so harsh I really doubt the oil Pre- treatment will make a difference. It's best used post-bleaching to repair your hair.

    Helping you made me soooo happy!

    Thank you, PleasureVictim... and thank you for underscoring the importance of using "enough" bleach and keeping it, as I like to say, Juicy.

    It's true, underestimating the amount of bleach/developer you need results in one of two things:
    Either:

    1. Lackluster results
    -or-
    2. A very uncomfortable trip to the beauty supply store for more product with drippy, splotchy hair hidden underneath a hoodie.... (been there done that... not fun).

    LOL, PleasureVictim... I can totally imagine you being pissed leaving the beauty supply store. In my imagination you look all cute and grumpy. Hahaha...

    As PleasureVictim mentioned, you don't want the bleach to dry...

    LaPatrona, use a plastic shower cap if you have one handy... you can buy the clear kind at the beauty supply store so you can monitor how your hair color develops. The cap will prevent the bleach from drying.

    This article has some good tips. Definitely check it out: http://www.ehow.com/how_7651400_blea...add-toner.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by LaPatrona View Post
    Thanks ladies, sorry for replying so late, I took a long nap. Thanks Sophia for the excellent post, I'm going to do exactly what you told me.

    My hair is very thick and strong.

    I'm going to wait a week before I bleach again, meanwhile I will wear a wig haha.
    Lucky bitch!

    Trust me, you'll want to purchase a lot of bleach and a tall bottle of developer. Again, I like the creamy kind of developer (white and kinda goopy, NOT clear and liquidy), I find that it gives me more control as long as I add enough of it (or maybe a little bit more than recommended). A tub of bleach keeps very well as long as you tie off the bag inside and tamp down the lid to keep it air tight. Same goes for the developer, just make sure you screw on the cap tightly.


    Bleaching should be done in a well ventilated location... make sure you open a window or have a fan running.

    Once bleach is mixed, it's effectiveness deteriorates quickly. Mix it once your hair is divided, you're dressed, you have gloves on, and you are ready to go.

    Screen shot 2013-06-26 at 1.14.31 PM.png

    Protect your neck with a paper towel tucked tucked around the collar of your shirt... there will be drips.
    Wear gloves...
    Have some slightly-more-moist-than-moist paper towels nearby to neutralize the beach if it drips on your skin. Water stops the process and prevents chemical burns.

    Do you have a friend handy? They can help you divide your hair into a few sections and apply the bleach/color to the back of your head.
    Check this chart out... http://www.hairfinder.com/hair2/hairsectioning.gif

    Start in the back. I start with sections 3 & 4 (in the chart above) and once that is done, I move on to 1 &2

    Work quickly but thoroughly.

    Once your whole head is painted with the bleach, CHECK how it is going. You can use the end of your brush to peek in and poke around. Add more bleach in any area that doesn't appear to be changing color. Be generous.

    Now the cap goes on. You can mush your hair around, just avoid squeezing bleach towards your scalp.

    Be aware... Roots have a tendency to bleach much faster due to the warmth emanating from your scalp. The phenomenon is called "hot roots" and it isn't cute. If you roots start to get too light you may want to have a hair dryer handy to speed up the process on your lengths/ends.

    Bleaching and toning are two different steps. Considering your hair texture and color, I know you'll go orange. DO NOT FREAK OUT!

    Here's an example of the results of bleach followed by the addition of a cool toned dye/toner... http://dicarlosalon.com/wp-content/u...-Box-Color.jpg <<This includes extra highlights too, but don't get distracted by that. The darker tones are what we are talking about.

    And another example of the steps...

    After Bleach: http://www.thebeautyboxsalon.com/bea...-2y56eqe3s.png
    After Dye: http://www.thebeautyboxsalon.com/bea...-hwmtttc0g.png

    Make sure the dye you buy is COOL toned. That will neutralize the red/orange shades. Unless you want a more coppery tone.... then get a neutral dye.

    Get no-ammonia or no-lift color. Follow the instructions for the dye. Consider buying 2 bottles/boxes since your hair is very thick and fairly lengthy. If you don't use it, you can always return it or save it for next time. Again, I am partial to Clairol Natural Instincts and Clairol Second Nature.

    If you lighten a little more than you plan... and you tone it down with a cool, slightly dark dye or toner... the shades will meet in the middle and you'll get the color you want.


    I wish you the best! Post pics when you are done!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    Another point: Why are you adding coconut oil to hair that isn't on your scalp????? As far as I know, bleaching on unwashed hair is safer for your skin because the oils your scalp secretes give you a slight barrier of protection. It also helps you get more even results since the heat from your head will make bleach develop faster... the oils impede that somewhat (again, from my experience) and you end up with roots that are comprable in color to the entire length of your hair.
    http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...ad.php?t=10495
    http://www.hairdyeforum.com/index.php?topic=3806.0
    http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...ad.php?t=94747

    She is probably adding coconut oil to her hair because there's been significant experimentation and reports that using virgin coconut oil on your hair whilst bleaching significantly helps decrease damage. In my own personal experience, that has been true and I will never bleach my hair without using coconut oil again in the future.

    A possible reason that your experience turned out the way it did is if you didn't keep your hair in a wrap (to keep the heat in, thus allowing the oil to stay liquid rather than turn solid). If the oil solidifies, that hinders the bleaching process, and you can end up with patchy hair.

    In the case of the OP, if she doesn't want trashed hair, there is no way I'd not use the coconut oil method on her hair because of how many times she's going to need to bleach her hair. Her hair is so dark, that to get to light brown, the process of getting her hair that light isn't going to be fast. She may need to bleach at least 5+ times to get the base she needs for light brown.

    Basically yeah, I'd just strongly advise the coconut oil method.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Incantatious View Post
    http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...ad.php?t=10495
    http://www.hairdyeforum.com/index.php?topic=3806.0
    http://forums.longhaircommunity.com/...ad.php?t=94747

    She is probably adding coconut oil to her hair because there's been significant experimentation and reports that using virgin coconut oil on your hair whilst bleaching significantly helps decrease damage. In my own personal experience, that has been true and I will never bleach my hair without using coconut oil again in the future.

    A possible reason that your experience turned out the way it did is if you didn't keep your hair in a wrap (to keep the heat in, thus allowing the oil to stay liquid rather than turn solid). If the oil solidifies, that hinders the bleaching process, and you can end up with patchy hair.


    In the case of the OP, if she doesn't want trashed hair, there is no way I'd not use the coconut oil method on her hair because of how many times she's going to need to bleach her hair. Her hair is so dark, that to get to light brown, the process of getting her hair that light isn't going to be fast. She may need to bleach at least 5+ times to get the base she needs for light brown.

    Basically yeah, I'd just strongly advise the coconut oil method.
    I have never used coconut oil for bleaching... so I'm not sure what you are saying.
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    Hey Sophia I private message you, let me know if you got it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sophia_Starina View Post
    I have never used coconut oil for bleaching... so I'm not sure what you are saying.
    Oh, sorry.. I think I misread that you tried it for yourself! My mistake.




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    Default Re: After bleaching my hair didn't really light up

    wow incant, i never knew coconut oil was good for bleaching..i use it twice a week on my hair was an overnight mask and its done wonders though so it wouldn't surprise me. im going to get my hair re-bleached this week ( just the roots) i wonder if i could ask my hairdresser if she could use it...? i would never try and do it myself :p

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    Quote Originally Posted by simone87 View Post
    wow incant, i never knew coconut oil was good for bleaching..i use it twice a week on my hair was an overnight mask and its done wonders though so it wouldn't surprise me. im going to get my hair re-bleached this week ( just the roots) i wonder if i could ask my hairdresser if she could use it...? i would never try and do it myself :p
    I'll never bleach my hair without coconut oil again in my life since I found this! It's so weird that something this natural works so well for helping protect hair. The only reason I can think of why hairdressers wouldn't use this in their salons, is because you need to slather that shit on and leave it on for an hour or more before applying bleach in order to get the most out of it so I can't imagine that keeping custies in for that long in the salon would be beneficial for them when they could be getting more customers.

    But there's plenty of info and reports in those threads I lined earlier in this thread which detail other people's experiences with this method, and how to do it yourself.




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