This video is all over the place now but just incase some of you haven't seen it, it's very moving and real.
This video is all over the place now but just incase some of you haven't seen it, it's very moving and real.



Dustin Hoffman is amazing!
Nope silly, its just a persona that entertains the masses, yourself included. - KS_Stevia
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(everything I post should be considered a work of fiction)
This is what I think...I think women certainly have it easier. There's a saying "There's no such thing as an ugly woman, only a lazy one." I think men have it way tougher because majority are judged by their penis size (something they can't really control), their height (short men are least desirable) and their wallet size (something they have to bust their ass for). I mean, look at US...I'm not saying our job is easy and it's not a real job..but we can make money off of ANYTHING..another saying goes, "As long as you have a vagina you will never starve." And as far as looks- anything is fixable- go to the gym and put on some make up, there ya go.





i think women have, and have always had, a much rougher time. i read an article about how 1% of the worlds property is owned by women, how many are killed every year from "gender hate crimes". how many are raped ( and those are just the ones that are reported!!), and a lot more. for a womans, looks seem to be paramount in this society and throughout time. men have it much easier where that's concerned..women are judged by their looks far more than a man's penis size ( which you can't even see unless you have sex with them)..and there is DEFINITELY such a thing as an ugly woman. in the sex industry, sure women have prospered ( even though most of it is controlled by MEN), but if you aren't in the sex industry and aren't willing to be ( or dont' have the looks)..its a rough world out there for women, trust me. unless you are in the sex industry you are going to be paid less than a man with equal qualifications, just a cold hard fact. the sex industry is the ONLY reason im glad to be a woman..the rest absolutely blows. especially society's attitude towards women's sexuality/independence/etc/ . let's also not forget how many women are sold into sex slavery ( a huge deal, even in the united states) and how many millions of women have undergone genital mutiliation..maybe not in our country but it doesn't mean it doesn't happen! compared to that..what's a man gonna complain about? his damn penis size??!!!!
Simone, you are right..so let me add AMERICAN women in TODAY'S society. And you're right about the pay thing.
Sure only 1% of the worlds property is owned by women but how many women actually have the desire to do such things? I would guess if you surveyed a bunch of females, 1 out of 20 would say they want to be the president vs 10 out of 20 males. How many women actually have the kind of drive and determination to take such roles?
Life is not fair and we will never ever ever ever be equal- whether is equality among genders, race, age etc. There is no such thing as equality and never will be. It is just part of life.
Let's say you go out on a date with a gentleman for the first time..who do you expect to pay? Most expect the man to pay. If a woman paid for the first date, people would go bananas and belittle his manhood. If a woman gives custody of her children to the father, people would go nuts- but if a man gave custody if his children to the mother- people would not think twice about it. There will never be equality.
I personally think if you weigh out the pros and cons of being male or female in this country, women have it better.





well i guess we just gotta disagree lol, which is fine, nobody is gonna agree on everything..children are usually given to the mother because the dad's bail out and don't even want them, and the whole guys paying isn't set in stone that's just a nice , proper thing for the man to do. but if could choose to either pay for the dates or be raped/paid less/belittled/have my sexuality shut down and called a slut/beaten because im smaller..ill take the paying for a date anyday! because women are still raped and sold in the sex trade in this country, beaten, and looked at a little play things and eye candy for men. its just sad. i would love to be a man..and black women are paid even less than white women are in relation to men, hispanic even less than black..i'm sure more black people and women would have the drive to be president , but this country isn't ready for that. the first was..well i can't get into politics here but..who knows when a woman will EVER be a leader in this country
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There are plenty of women who want to bail out and I know tons of men who want to be part of the childrens lives but the women use the children to manipulate situations. Like you say, there are also men who bail out as well- no matter the situation, there is no equality there. Also about having children, a woman gets pregnant and the man is not ready to be a parent and if she has the baby anyway- guess who gets chased after for child support?
PLENTY of men get raped and sexually assaulted- WAY MORE than sexual assaults against women are not reported because of the stigma society has for men. A man can be a victim of domestic violence and its WAY HARDER for him to get the support and help he needs. I think the silence about men being victims of sex assault is so much more. Think about prisons. I think men have way more pressure from society than women- a woman can do anything nowadays- construction worker, sports, politics to nurse, school teacher, hairdresser- if a man wanted to be a nurse they'd belittle his manhood....it's ok for a female to be a tomboy but if a man was anywhere near feminine- they'd question his sexuality. Speaking of sexuality- girl on girl action is way more acceptable than man on man action. Men have more pressure to be macho- I bet if I looked up this video on YouTube, someone said in the comments that Hoffman is being a little bitch for crying.
Neither gender really has it "easier" I guess.....so I take that back about women having it easier. Neither of us do.
However, this is a forum full of females so guess which side has more votes? Lol. Women also tend to be way more vocal about their issues. I'm surprised no one mentioned the pain of child birth and monthly periods yet, lol.





its a good point about the girl-on-girl thing being acceptable and at first i thought it was sexist..but then i also thought, its ok because MEN WANT TO SEE IT. men don't want to see man-on-man ( or don't want to admit to it). its a turn on for them..its not that women have made it more acceptable, its just a good seller for men to watch. porn created that, not lesbian rights activists. and many women bail out, but the number of single mothers FAR outweighs that of single fathers, and the laws on child support are laughable. a woman carries the baby, not a man. that's something about mother nature that really pisses me off, not the fault of men lol. the biggest thing i hate, is that after being attacked by somebody just biologically bigger and stronger than you, you feel at the mercy of men in general.. and i hate that. you CANNOT count on chivalry these days. men getting sexually assaulted is awful, yes, and underreported as well, but its rape *usually* by OTHER MEN, not women
Men don't want to admit they want to watch gay porn...now why is that? Because men have more pressure to hide their feelings. Even women would say "Lesbo porn is sooo hot...but man sucking a dick, ew."
You're right, this is a mans world. There's more pressure to be a "man" though. Now that we are discussing this, I don't think either gender has it easier.





Beautiful, younger women have it easier than men of their age but after that, hell no. As a society we judge women who are ambitious (look at the nasty comments Hillary Clinton has endured or on the opposite side Condoleeza Rice), we judge women who aren't very attractive and we judge older women. What I mean about the younger women who are beautiful having it easy let's take dancers. A top tier dancer is going to be making far more than most men her age and certainly more than most women. If she is smart and invests then she will be okay. However, if she uses dancing like most seem to do as a springboard to another career, maybe not. She probably will not make as much as a male coworker with the same experience and education, and won't have the same opportunities. If she works with kids she will be judged and if she has kids and stays at home she will be judged. She will be judged even if she doesn't have kids. Let's not forget that if she has a kid out of wedlock and on welfare she will be judged while baby daddy neglecting his financial responsibilities won't be judged as much. Let me tell you that while I felt the strip club industry is very sexist such as harder for women to become managers, it is harder in the corporate world. I have seen male coworkers with less experience and education be promoted ahead of me. At one place I complained and was fired, yes this happens.
Do men deal with sexism? of course. Men are battered but there aren't as many men's shelters. Men tend to lose child custody more than women. Yes men who want to be stay at home dads are called lazy, unlike women which is wrong. However men are rarely judged for having a career and a family, or wanting to be confirmed bachelors, as compared to single older women who are made fun of ("crazy cat lady", "spinster"). I do think men are probably judged more for not making money and being short than women (though I believe taller women are attacked like short men).





well most naked women do look better than most naked menso that's one advantage we have! i will say a woman's sexuality, although a lot more discouraged and shut down, is VERY powerful so in that we have an advantage that men do not. i think that's why it is shut down. although someday i want to stop using my sexuality and start using my brain and talents..no doubt i won't earn as much




"There's no such thing as an ugly woman, only a lazy one." I don't get that? There are ugly women and men everywhere, as well as good looking and average ones. I think the penis size thing true...but for being Asian (Filipino) luckily mine isnt a 2 inch vienna sausage. Its just shy of 6 inches...almost there but its thick enough. I admit I would love to have a 7 inch dick but I am thankful its at least the size it is...I seen some of my friends and they are small...smaller I mean. My height at 5'8" is okay...I accept it. Sure id love to be 6'1" but that aint gonna happen unless I get that costly limb lengthening surgery so I make do with what I got. I work out and am getting much leaner...girls notice a really lean/fit average height guy vs the same average height guy with an average body. I do want to to have lots of money and I am working on it...thanks to mommy and daddy I will have a couple homes and an inheritance which I am truly grateful for but I know I must do something significant for myself...gotta have something to show for. All my life everything was handed to me so I gotta be truly independent and show I can do it on my own. A man has to earn his way.
I think women have it harder in the sense society places so much emphasis on their appearance. A woman needs to fit certain requirements/expectations to be considered beautiful. Slim and slender, high cheekbones, bow tie lips, almond eyes, long luscious locks of hair, smooth porcelain skin, long slender fingers, etc. Or she can be a bad bitch...thick and raw...one of them video vixen types. Thick is thick and its good...fat is not thick. Slim is good too...stick thin anorexic is not good. Look at all the beauty/enhancement products/procedures...its mostly for women. I agree men should look good too and be at their best but society is easier on men in the looks department. A man gets a few wrinkles/fine lines/smile lines and grey hair and be becomes distinct and could still be considered handsome. A woman gets a few lines/wrinkles/grey hairs and shes done....old hag status. I dont agree with that as men and women both age...and old is old. But if they take care of themselves..a 60 year old hunk looks good...so can a 60 year old babe. Society makes it seem women have a shelf life/expiration date while men dont. I dont agree with that but thats how it is. Its like 18-30 is their prime while men can make to 60s and 70s and still be good. Of course the man better be on top of that or he will look like shit. Women are judged on their beauty and it has to be flawless if not damn near perfection while men are judged on how deep their bank account is...the good looks is just an added bonus. An average guy is okay and meh...an average girl is more like dang thats wack...get some make up girl. Once again I just feel society is harsh like that. Men have their struggles too but its not so emphasized so much on looks...its their money and power.
As for anything being fixable...sure to an extent. You can work out, change your eating habits, adopt a better lifestyle...but if your looks are down its gonna take a lot of work to fix it. A body...sure easier to work on with exercise/toning/etc.. A busted face is hard if not impossible to get looking on point...even with the plastic surgery. Take lips for example and eyes...if those are bad its hard to fix. A nose is easier...that can be transformed.
So I would say its not harder to be a man or woman..both have their qualms.
But given the choice, I would stay being a dude.
I do want it to be equal though...men and women should be equal in all aspects. At the end of day...we are all humans.
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Thanks for the visuals, Babe!^
MANY MEN WANTED TO LAY ME DOWN, BUT FEW WANTED TO LIFT ME UP
-Eartha Kitt









I will slightly disagree though on the whole idea that men aren't judged by looks. BlackShe, not saying you do this but so many men think "hey I'm older, fat, but this is okay because I make decent money". The reality is older men who are unattractive aren't going to far much better than women in the dating realm unless he happens to be wealthy and the woman is a gold digger. The amount of middle income men I have seen who are fat and ugly and old looking who believe this never fails to amaze me.




oh yeah not sure if I stated in that wall of text but men are judged on their looks as well...and harshly. But and there is a big but, its no where near the level of judgement a woman gets...scrutinized down to the wire.
As for being older and not caring...men and women should take pride in their bodies no matter what their age is. I take pride in the home I live in...I keep up with the landscaping and keep a super clean house. The cars in the garage are always clean and looking their best. Its like that high maintenance girlfriend or wife....but she is worth the all the effort because she will shine like the sun. Like I said earlier, the house as well needs to be kept in order. I believe appearances say a lot..more than words ever can. A clean house, car, and person means they are credible.
Well we have our bodies...the greatest instrument we will ever own. We must nourish it, cherish it, and treat it well. A little abuse here and there is fine...we can take it. But its all about pride of ownership. I am not a super handsome dude but I do my best to look my best. Granted I am a bit to much on the vain side...I care. And I will never stop caring...because its important to myself that I look good. I do it for me. And then its for everybody else...specifically the one girl in the future who will share life with me and all the others girls who see me...hey I gotta be marketable if I am gonna sell myself. Its all a numbers game. High value, prestige, importance, etc.
A man can have lots of money and he will work towards getting more (its never enough)...but if he truly cares about himself...he will take care of his appearance as well.





I definitely agree that women are judged more harshly about looks and while men are judged, not as sharply. I just get so annoyed (not at all at you)by men who would state on dating profiles they didn't have to work on their looks because "women don't care". We do care of course but most women tend to judge on other things. For me I judge on personality, shared interests, etc.





oh..god..the visuals!! i think i might have to agree with the movie " what women want" when he says that men are more obsessed with their own equipment than women are..unless the dude has a 3 incher or something i'd never make fun of his size. its not that big of a deal, i think maybe its a male pride kinda thing, where they all get in the shower and compare dick sizes? idk, but i don't want a man with a jumbo dick, sorry boys!! i do not agree with a woman making fun of a man's penis size either when he cannot control it..if you do that, don't get mad when dudes make fun of YOUR body. its body shaming for men





I'm probably weird but seeing those photos reminds me next week I am going to a festival and eating corn dogs.
Regarding penis size, I prefer average size as I think large guys are too big and yes I have bled after having sex with a large man.
If we want to compare the incomes/salaries of white women to racialized men of any group in North America, white women actually come out ahead. The only people paid more statistically than white women are white men.
For example, in 2010 the wage gap was:
100% white men
80.5% white women
74.5% Black men
69.6% Black women
65.9% Hispanic men
59.8% Hispanic women
Source: U.S. Current Population Survey and the National Committee on Pay Equity; also Bureau of Labor Statistics: Weekly and Hourly Earnings Data from the Current Population Survey
I guess my point is that simply comparing gender absent other really significant social positions of race and class leaves out a whole bunch of the story in terms of how privilege and oppression play out in our society.
cool discussion, thanks for posting the vid
I honestly feel pretty blessed to be a woman. I have advantages in my social life, in the sex industry, and will definitely have a leg up in the engineering field once I finish school (and lets not forget the droves of guys willing to help me study). It's all about using what you have and being completely comfortable with yourself. I was watching the most interesting Ted Talks today, yes I watch incredibly old stuff on Netflix because they have nothing new, and the woman was talking about the way dominant body language can completely change how others (particularly employers) view you. They've done some really interesting studies where people who did a dominant pose for just two minutes before a stressful event out performed those who did not. Interviewers always picked those who had used dominant body language. Women typically subconsciously choose the submissive language during interactions with others, we compliment not mirror each other. Puffing oneself up so to speak raises testosterone and lowers the stress hormone, I have to wonder just a bit if using submissive body language has hurt us in the workplace. The subconscious does a lot of thinking for us, and with first impressions being so quickly made a positive image is everything. Not saying to walk around with your arms up trying to look huge, but faking dominance and being confident in oneself is so incredibly important.
Each man and each woman have completely different paths and struggles, and I really think it's a big generalization to say whether an entire gender has it easier or not. Also with affirmative action in place, a white male is basically the bottom of the totem pole with everyone's quotas they have to fill. I WILL have an easier time getting a job, and being paid what I want than any of my white, male classmates after graduation. But I kinda shamelessly work what I've got...![]()




Kelly - I would be too, a dating profile should be appealing. And appealing is at least putting one's best effort to having intelligence/knowledge, being in shape, having interests/hobbies/goals/etc. Women care about looks, so do men...its human nature. We depend on visual/sight, sound/touch, etc. I guess those men don't even have the slightest clue...I am by no means an expert but its common sense.
simone - those visuals are about as descriptive as I can get lol. I always thought men obsess over their wankers while women obsess over their boobies. But a woman can get implants if she so deeply desires while a man well...I dunno if those penis enlargement surgeries work.
I remember back in the day I was with a couple friends and were on a caravan to a car meet and had to piss on the side of the road (emergency) and he said "Hey let me see your dick." I was like ummm sure but your not gay right? He replies "Nah, I just wanna see what a Filipino dick looks like." I replied "Sure, let me see that yellow errr I mean Chinese Chopstick of yours." He chuckled and pulled it out and so did I. He made fun of mine for being a "chode." I looked it up and couldnt find anything on it and figured he meant it was thick...like a bit thicker than lumpia (Filipino eggroll) but I remember his being skinny as fuck. But he was super skinny as well, this dude is my height and weighs in at 120 lbs (I am at 145). Although I dont think body size has to do with penis size...except maybe those big ass bodybuilders...if I read correctly their penis shrinks not sure.
Fast forward we jacked off together one time to pron on my comp, (I placed a hamper between us to act as a barrier/wall) and when I peeked over his piece was about the same length as mine but thin like this:
^Another Filipino snack btw...its a semi sweet cracker type thing.
I think length is important but more importantly is thickness/girth.
Mine actually tapers off near the base so its got a distinct missile like shape/structure. I'd like to be thicker at the base as well but its all good the way it is.





^ yeah penis enlargement surgeries DO indeed exist, trust me. i was an LNA and i had to take care of a convicted rapist who had a penis enlargement surgery done. 80 years old and he had a bigger harder dick than any 20 year old i've ever seen..ok way tooooooo MUCH VISUALS!! haha, omg! way too much detail bro lmao.
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