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    How on earth did this thread go from the discussion of women vs. men in society, to intimate details about penis size and jerking off with one's friends?

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    This may be a bitchy comment of me, but I honestly feel like... :

    1.) Almost any woman can make herself more sexually attractive, and it doesn't even involve plastic surgery. Well-fitting clothing, flattering hair and makeup, and personal style go a very long way...
    2.) A lot of men don't even like what is conventionally attractive. As Dita says: "You can be the ripest, juiciest peach in the world, and there's still going to be somebody who hates peaches."

    I personally think its far more dangerous to assume every man is looking for the same thing in a woman, or the same type of woman. Hasn't the fetish world taught us enough yet? He needs to stop clinging so hard to untrue stereotypes. Different men (and women) like different things. Just because his character as a woman wasn't a woman he personally found attractive and amazing, doesn't mean that it wouldn't be a character/woman that someone else found attractive and amazing. Narcissism these days.



    Quote Originally Posted by JoJoX View Post
    Neither gender really has it "easier" I guess.....so I take that back about women having it easier. Neither of us do.

    However, this is a forum full of females so guess which side has more votes? Lol. Women also tend to be way more vocal about their issues. I'm surprised no one mentioned the pain of child birth and monthly periods yet, lol.
    Honestly I sincerely think both parties have it the same. You win some, you lose some. Women have strong points (looks, sexuality, a vagina), and men have strong points (earning power, masculinity).

    In addition, there are lots of grey areas... like sexuality for one? A lot of lesbians prefer butch or masculine looking women. A lot of gay men prefer well-kept, above average, extremely physically attractive men who are young. I think its sad he is so full of himself that he's generalizing to the point where he believes that everyone in the world must be attracted to what he's attracted to.



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    well most naked women do look better than most naked men so that's one advantage we have! i will say a woman's sexuality, although a lot more discouraged and shut down, is VERY powerful so in that we have an advantage that men do not. i think that's why it is shut down. although someday i want to stop using my sexuality and start using my brain and talents..no doubt i won't earn as much
    I agree so much. THAT is reality.

    Also though, I think the fact that you know just how powerful your sexuality is, means you ARE using your brain. That in itself is a talent. And you are also playing a character and are a good business woman in the adult industry. I hate the stereotype that models/actresses/sexworkers do nothing but sit around looking pretty all day, when there is SO much brain power involved!
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    ^ yeah penis enlargement surgeries DO indeed exist, trust me. i was an LNA and i had to take care of a convicted rapist who had a penis enlargement surgery done. 80 years old and he had a bigger harder dick than any 20 year old i've ever seen..ok way tooooooo MUCH VISUALS!! haha, omg! way too much detail bro lmao.
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    How on earth did this thread go from the discussion of women vs. men in society, to intimate details about penis size and jerking off with one's friends?

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    This may be a bitchy comment of me, but I honestly feel like... :

    1.) Almost any woman can make herself more sexually attractive, and it doesn't even involve plastic surgery. Well-fitting clothing, flattering hair and makeup, and personal style go a very long way...
    2.) A lot of men don't even like what is conventionally attractive. As Dita says: "You can be the ripest, juiciest peach in the world, and there's still going to be somebody who hates peaches."

    I personally think its far more dangerous to assume every man is looking for the same thing in a woman, or the same type of woman. Hasn't the fetish world taught us enough yet? He needs to stop clinging so hard to untrue stereotypes. Just because his character wasn't a woman he personally found attractive and amazing, doesn't mean that it wouldn't be a character that someone else found attractive and amazing.





    Honestly I sincerely think both parties have it the same. You win some, you lose some. Women have strong points (looks, sexuality, a vagina), and men have strong points (earning power, masculinity).





    I agree so much. THAT is reality.
    simone: Yikes, was it 10 inch rodzilla type? But if I was a chick...I would think 6-7 inches is just fine. As long as there is some girth, should be good to go.

    Aurora: Thats SW for ya.

    Glamour: True, both have good/bad points. But what about a drop dead handsome dude with lots of money? Now that would be a king. Well same can be said for a woman. I seen things happen with the attractive crowd...having extremely good looks is such a big advantage in life...its a night and day difference.

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    Glamour: True, both have good/bad points. But what about a drop dead handsome dude with lots of money? Now that would be a king. Well same can be said for a woman. I seen things happen with the attractive crowd...having extremely good looks is such a big advantage in life...its a night and day difference.
    That's about as common as a drop dread beautiful girl with lots of money lol. In that case, I would think the woman has the advantage because she also has the power of seduction in addition to the money and looks.

    Having extremely good looks is a big advantage, but again, BOTH sexes can have extremely good looks (and I personally think women are more physically "attractive" by nature).

    And again again, different men are attracted to different things. I've dated guys who preferred A cups, no makeup, and brown hair. And I've also dated guys who preferred DDs, barbie makeup, and highlighter yellow hair. Guess which guy I liked better and thought was more interesting? Guy #1, because he was able to think outside (outdated) conventionally attractive societal norms.

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    Some of these posts are honestly kind of shocking to me. I'm happy to be a woman, but we definitely don't have it easier than men. The entire world is set up to be hostile towards us.

    Let me put it this way... imagine a world where women rule. Women make up almost ALL of the world leaders, presidents, politicians, religious leaders, etc. Councils of women get together to talk about men's reproductive health and pass laws about it, while actual men have no say. In creation myths, women were made first and designated as most important, with men created second to be their "helpers". Men are forbidden from gaining religious leadership. History books contain phrases like, "In all of womankind". Men get paid less for the same work, and have a hard time getting taken seriously in the workplace, where they face discrimination and sexual harassment. If they choose to focus on their career, they are considered less of a man, or called a bad father. If they enjoy sex they're called derogatory names, while women are applauded for doing the same thing. Even if a man is really intelligent, funny, and/or accomplishes a lot and makes a difference in the world, women will still look at him and judge him based on his looks alone. A man can be completely physically overpowered by almost any woman, and rape by dildo is very common so they must always watch their backs, and keep an eye on their drinks at parties.

    I could go on and on. Sounds like an incredibly shitty and unfair world for men, huh?

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    yes you are right glamour, using ones sexuality and sales IS using your brain, so i take that back. and i really do love my job!!

    on another note, what if a woman doesn't know how/or want to use her sexuality/looks? all the posts im seeing about how women have is easier/its equal is because a woman has an advantage with sexuality. its very powerful and im GLAD we at least have that.but that seems to be it. what if sexuality was taken away from women in particular and the playing field were equal in that respect? what else would we have? in every other aspect we have a clear disadvantage like smurfette says. the world is ruled by men still as far as i can see. the only way we can combat it is because men are ruled by their penises and need for pussy lol.

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    Smurfette, great post. I was thinking about the reproduction issue today actually and how I think it is wrong how men try to tell women when and where to have kids. It's one thing to be opposed to abortion due to feeling it is life, but many male leaders oppose it because it is an issue women face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlamourRouge View Post
    That's about as common as a drop dread beautiful girl with lots of money lol. In that case, I would think the woman has the advantage because she also has the power of seduction in addition to the money and looks.

    Having extremely good looks is a big advantage, but again, BOTH sexes can have extremely good looks (and I personally think women are more physically "attractive" by nature).

    And again again, different men are attracted to different things. I've dated guys who preferred A cups, no makeup, and brown hair. And I've also dated guys who preferred DDs, barbie makeup, and highlighter yellow hair. Guess which guy I liked better and thought was more interesting? Guy #1, because he was able to think outside (outdated) conventionally attractive societal norms.
    True but what about how society favors youth? Men and women will both get old, they cannot escape father time, but a handsome 50 year old man can still be desirable (even sexually), take George Clooney for example. He was in his prime, and still is to many people. Guys want to be like him or at least have his swag/style/looks/money/etc. He is a man's man and the ladies love him. So he has the looks down...being rich and famous just completes the package. But take a look at Sharon Stone...she was drop dead gorgeous back in the day. But not her looks are not the same...she is still pretty but shes no longer that sexy creature she once was. Its so weird to me because old is old but why is an old man is distinct while an old woman is expired. Lines and wrinkles on a man can be charming and masculine but on a woman its devastating. I going by how society makes it all seem. The media is a powerhouse and it shapes our thinking. I do agree though...I would do George if I was a straight female/gay male/bisexual given the chance but doing an older woman like Sharon Stone or others in her league ie. Demi Moore is not as appealing. I would have to go with the younger girls. One thing for sure is no matter how old a man gets...most men (not saying all) will want a young girl. Young as in 18-30.

    Heck I am a dude and I bitch and moan about getting older and hitting 30 but I realize society is less harsh on men and aging and looks. I dont get a pass to not care and let myself go but not so perfect flawless skin, fine lines, grey hair...its more accepted.

    I can go for a variety of girls...the barbie type, the girl next door, gangsta chick, etc. I like slim girls but I also like thick girls like what you see in the hip hop and rap videos. I can go for Asian, black, white, whatever looks good.

    Sometimes I think a little chubbiness is cute...think Kate Featherston from Paranormal Activity. She might also be a bit on the thick side too.

    I do like it when girls wear less make up...but I guess that would to be a natural beauty because some who wear less are not as good looking as when they use more. Others look so good without make, just a little lip gloss and done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smurfette View Post
    Let me put it this way... imagine a world where women rule. Women make up almost ALL of the world leaders, presidents, politicians, religious leaders, etc. Councils of women get together to talk about men's reproductive health and pass laws about it, while actual men have no say. In creation myths, women were made first and designated as most important, with men created second to be their "helpers". Men are forbidden from gaining religious leadership. History books contain phrases like, "In all of womankind". Men get paid less for the same work, and have a hard time getting taken seriously in the workplace, where they face discrimination and sexual harassment. If they choose to focus on their career, they are considered less of a man, or called a bad father. If they enjoy sex they're called derogatory names, while women are applauded for doing the same thing. Even if a man is really intelligent, funny, and/or accomplishes a lot and makes a difference in the world, women will still look at him and judge him based on his looks alone. A man can be completely physically overpowered by almost any woman, and rape by dildo is very common so they must always watch their backs, and keep an eye on their drinks at parties.

    I could go on and on. Sounds like an incredibly shitty and unfair world for men, huh?
    Lol the world was in a completely different place pre-1960s where it made sense for men to be in leadership positions. Men were the hunters, women stayed home and had children. In order to win over a man, you weren't bringing much to the table aside from your looks and getting along well with others because women had no jobs, no assets, and no marketable skills aside from cooking/raising children/and maybe making crafts.

    Everything changed starting in like the 60s when technology started to rapidly grow and change. Its only been like 50 years though, things can't change over night. Things have started to equal out pretty fast, given that its only been about 50 years since majority of this started to happen. That's not even 1 full generation. The stereotypes still haven't changed because a lot of the older generation is still alive and they aren't able to change their opinions for the most part. They grew up in another time. Things will be drastically different (including stereotypes) even in just 100 years from now, given how much has changed in the last 50 years.

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    Lol the world was in a completely different place pre-1960s where it made sense for men to be in leadership positions. Men were the hunters, women stayed home and had children. In order to win over a man, you weren't bringing much to the table aside from your looks and getting along well with others because women had no jobs, no assets, and no marketable skills aside from cooking/raising children/and maybe making crafts.

    Everything changed starting in like the 60s when technology started to rapidly grow and change. Its only been like 50 years though, things can't change over night. Things have started to equal out pretty fast, given that its only been about 50 years since majority of this started to happen. That's not even 1 full generation. The stereotypes still haven't changed because a lot of the older generation is still alive and they aren't able to change their opinions for the most part. They grew up in another time. Things will be drastically different (including stereotypes) even in just 100 years from now, given how much has changed in the last 50 years.
    I agree.
    25-50 years now...it will be a whole different world/mindset.

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    True but what about how society favors youth? Men and women will both get old, they cannot escape father time, but a handsome 50 year old man can still be desirable (even sexually), take George Clooney for example. He was in his prime, and still is to many people. Guys want to be like him or at least have his swag/style/looks/money/etc. He is a man's man and the ladies love him. So he has the looks down...being rich and famous just completes the package. But take a look at Sharon Stone...she was drop dead gorgeous back in the day. But not her looks are not the same...she is still pretty but shes no longer that sexy creature she once was. Its so weird to me because old is old but why is an old man is distinct while an old woman is expired. Lines and wrinkles on a man can be charming and masculine but on a woman its devastating. I going by how society makes it all seem. The media is a powerhouse and it shapes our thinking. I do agree though...I would do George if I was a straight female/gay male/bisexual given the chance but doing an older woman like Sharon Stone or others in her league ie. Demi Moore is not as appealing. I would have to go with the younger girls. One thing for sure is no matter how old a man gets...most men (not saying all) will want a young girl. Young as in 18-30.

    Heck I am a dude and I bitch and moan about getting older and hitting 30 but I realize society is less harsh on men and aging and looks. I dont get a pass to not care and let myself go but not so perfect flawless skin, fine lines, grey hair...its more accepted.

    I can go for a variety of girls...the barbie type, the girl next door, gangsta chick, etc. I like slim girls but I also like thick girls like what you see in the hip hop and rap videos. I can go for Asian, black, white, whatever looks good.

    Sometimes I think a little chubbiness is cute...think Kate Featherston from Paranormal Activity. She might also be a bit on the thick side too.

    I do like it when girls wear less make up...but I guess that would to be a natural beauty because some who wear less are not as good looking as when they use more. Others look so good without make, just a little lip gloss and done.
    A George Clooney is very rare. Most men do not age well. And a lot of people tend to date within 10 years of their own age just because you have NOTHING in common with someone significantly older or younger than you are, unless both of you are like 40+.

    And as for older women... MILF fetish, anyone? That's like the largest growing sector in porn. And, AHEM:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smurfette View Post
    Some of these posts are honestly kind of shocking to me. I'm happy to be a woman, but we definitely don't have it easier than men. The entire world is set up to be hostile towards us.

    Let me put it this way... imagine a world where women rule. Women make up almost ALL of the world leaders, presidents, politicians, religious leaders, etc. Councils of women get together to talk about men's reproductive health and pass laws about it, while actual men have no say. In creation myths, women were made first and designated as most important, with men created second to be their "helpers". Men are forbidden from gaining religious leadership. History books contain phrases like, "In all of womankind". Men get paid less for the same work, and have a hard time getting taken seriously in the workplace, where they face discrimination and sexual harassment. If they choose to focus on their career, they are considered less of a man, or called a bad father. If they enjoy sex they're called derogatory names, while women are applauded for doing the same thing. Even if a man is really intelligent, funny, and/or accomplishes a lot and makes a difference in the world, women will still look at him and judge him based on his looks alone. A man can be completely physically overpowered by almost any woman, and rape by dildo is very common so they must always watch their backs, and keep an eye on their drinks at parties.

    I could go on and on. Sounds like an incredibly shitty and unfair world for men, huh?
    That would be role reversal to the extreme.

    men = women.

    Only in a perfect world...we don't live in a perfect world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackSheEp3 View Post
    True but what about how society favors youth? Men and women will both get old, they cannot escape father time, but a handsome 50 year old man can still be desirable (even sexually), take George Clooney for example. He was in his prime, and still is to many people. Guys want to be like him or at least have his swag/style/looks/money/etc. He is a man's man and the ladies love him. So he has the looks down...being rich and famous just completes the package. But take a look at Sharon Stone...she was drop dead gorgeous back in the day. But not her looks are not the same...she is still pretty but shes no longer that sexy creature she once was. Its so weird to me because old is old but why is an old man is distinct while an old woman is expired. Lines and wrinkles on a man can be charming and masculine but on a woman its devastating. I going by how society makes it all seem. The media is a powerhouse and it shapes our thinking. I do agree though...I would do George if I was a straight female/gay male/bisexual given the chance but doing an older woman like Sharon Stone or others in her league ie. Demi Moore is not as appealing. I would have to go with the younger girls. One thing for sure is no matter how old a man gets...most men (not saying all) will want a young girl. Young as in 18-30.

    Heck I am a dude and I bitch and moan about getting older and hitting 30 but I realize society is less harsh on men and aging and looks. I dont get a pass to not care and let myself go but not so perfect flawless skin, fine lines, grey hair...its more accepted.

    I can go for a variety of girls...the barbie type, the girl next door, gangsta chick, etc. I like slim girls but I also like thick girls like what you see in the hip hop and rap videos. I can go for Asian, black, white, whatever looks good.

    Sometimes I think a little chubbiness is cute...think Kate Featherston from Paranormal Activity. She might also be a bit on the thick side too.

    I do like it when girls wear less make up...but I guess that would to be a natural beauty because some who wear less are not as good looking as when they use more. Others look so good without make, just a little lip gloss and done.
    The reality is very few 50 year old men look like George Clooney so in a way he is a rarity. I'm willing to bet though that most women wouldn't want to date Clooney because of his reputation. I know several 50 year old men and not one is handsome. The guy I am interested in is chubby and no stud by any means. Yes most men want a young woman if they are just looking for sex but the reality is very few men will get this wish. Men looking for a relationship and are realistic will seek out a woman around their age but the men who will only date younger will find themselves alone as they age. Speaking as a 42 year old woman I have no interest in a man much older than me.

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    A George Clooney is very rare. Most men do not age well. And a lot of people tend to date within 10 years of their own age just because you have NOTHING in common with someone significantly older or younger than you are, unless both of you are like 40+.

    And as for older women... MILF fetish, anyone? That's like the largest growing sector in porn. And, AHEM:

    Yeah I am jelly...but hey not all of us are born this way. Its just the way it is.

    I think while a lot of men dont age well, so do a lot of women. I seen it out here in the Bay Area (Norcal) usually white people...but I think that is from lifestyle. The the thing I notice is the most is their sun damaged skin...some are leathery and splotchy while others are so matte and spotted. I seen some of my neighbors parents when I was a kid in elementary, they looked good/decent back then. Nowadays their skin looks jacked up...I do know they spent a lot of time in the sun and now it shows. They are in their late 40s/50s now. The Asian people I seen (men and women) seem to age well...they are doing good for their age. Their skin looks healthy and some still have a glow. These are just everyday common people, no rich celebrities with loads of cash to spend on cosmetic/surgical procedures. But also there are some Asians who age really bad too...those are the ones who were sun worshippers, smoked, drank, etc. It can be said for any nationality though so my point is people will age dependent on how much care they take. Genes play a big role too but so does lifestyle.

    And a bunch of my cousins who are in their 30s/40s still look like they are in their 20s and 30s respectively. Black people age pretty good even though they are in the sun simply because of the amount of is it melanin or pigmentation? In their skin...so like Asians they do okay.

    The dating age makes sense...what would a 50 year old have in common with a 20 year old? Well I take that back...that 50 year old could be young at heart and be into the same things the 20 year old is.

    Milfs are definitely in the scene and emerging but a milf is any mom. I would be into a 20-30 year old milf but not a 60+.

    When it comes to my pron, I still prefer the young girls but from time to time I will venture out and check out milfs and granny pron. But the granny pron isnt for sexual satisfaction/pleasure...its a curiosity thing to see if they still have the stamina/strength to be getting their sex time on.

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    Lol the world was in a completely different place pre-1960s where it made sense for men to be in leadership positions. Men were the hunters, women stayed home and had children. In order to win over a man, you weren't bringing much to the table aside from your looks and getting along well with others because women had no jobs, no assets, and no marketable skills aside from cooking/raising children/and maybe making crafts.

    Everything changed starting in like the 60s when technology started to rapidly grow and change. Its only been like 50 years though, things can't change over night. Things have started to equal out pretty fast, given that its only been about 50 years since majority of this started to happen. That's not even 1 full generation. The stereotypes still haven't changed because a lot of the older generation is still alive and they aren't able to change their opinions for the most part. They grew up in another time. Things will be drastically different (including stereotypes) even in just 100 years from now, given how much has changed in the last 50 years.
    Oh, I completely agree, and I'm very optimistic about the way society is changing its views. But my post describes how things still are currently. And re: men being hunters, yeah that made sense thousands of years ago, and that's how our gender hierarchy started. But it wasn't pre-historic times all the way up to 1960. Men were working in business, politics, finance, etc. while their wives stayed home. It didn't make sense for men to be the only ones in those positions. The only reason women weren't is because they weren't allowed to be, they weren't even given the chance and were deemed inferior when it comes to anything other than housewife duties.

    Patriarchal ideas are still completely ingrained in society as a whole. We've made a LOT of progress but still have a long, long ways to go until full equality is achieved (if ever). And BTW, a lot of the stuff brought up in this thread regarding ways in which men have it hard too, well all of those things are caused by patriarchy. The beliefs that men can't stay at home with the kids, that moms should automatically be given custody because women are naturally better caregivers, that only men should fight in wars and pay for dinner and be the breadwinners. All of those beliefs are harmful to men (IMO) and insulting to both genders.

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    on another note, what if a woman doesn't know how/or want to use her sexuality/looks?
    This is really important. Women may be able to gain through their sexuality, but ultimately it's through the appeasement of male fantasy. The more sexually desirable you are to men, the better off you are. Where does this leave older women? Fat women? Disabled women? Women of color? (not saying WOC are not attractive- but I can't count how many times I've heard men (of all races) say they don't like black girls, or she is "cute for a black girl". The way racism intersects with sexism is a whole 'nother can of worms.)

    Another thing to think about on the looks debate... The standards of "male beauty" is very close to a man in his natural state. Yes, you must be fit, and clean/well groomed, but men don't have to change too much about themselves. As women, we wear makeup, we shave our bodies, we may grow and style and dye our hair, we get plastic surgery (far more often than men do). Are women truly more naturally beautiful than men? Or do men just not have to try as hard because they are valued beyond their looks? And yes, an ugly man doesn't really have the option to wear makeup as a woman does. But why is that? Because to do something a woman does, that is associated with femininity, is seen as beneath a man? A woman can dress in men's clothing with almost no backlash. But what happens if a man tried to dress in women's clothes? It seems ridiculous, but it does reveal something about our society and the way it values women.

    Also, in women, youthfulness is highly valued. Either we are young and beautiful or look young and, therefore, beautiful. This is not true for men. They can age, have lines and wrinkles and grey hair, this does not diminish their attractiveness. In fact, it can be seen to add to it. An older woman can still be sexually desirable, but it is not because of her age, it's in spite of it.


    Here is a good example of how women are seen as sexual objects only, with limited value beyond that.... http://publicshaming.tumblr.com/post...bartoli-deemed

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    ^^ Great post. See also: the word 'pussy' as an insult, 'you throw like a girl', balls being used as a symbol for strength and a vagina a symbol of weakness (which makes no sense considering vaginas are WAY tougher than balls which are literally the weakest and most vulnerable part of a man, lol). The stereotypical masculine qualities are regarded as superior by everyone (strength, leadership, independence, confidence, etc) while the stereotypical feminine qualities are regarded as WEAK if shown in a man (submission, sensitivity, emotion, etc.)


    Quote Originally Posted by simone87 View Post
    yes you are right glamour, using ones sexuality and sales IS using your brain, so i take that back. and i really do love my job!!

    on another note, what if a woman doesn't know how/or want to use her sexuality/looks? all the posts im seeing about how women have is easier/its equal is because a woman has an advantage with sexuality. its very powerful and im GLAD we at least have that.but that seems to be it. what if sexuality was taken away from women in particular and the playing field were equal in that respect? what else would we have? in every other aspect we have a clear disadvantage like smurfette says. the world is ruled by men still as far as i can see. the only way we can combat it is because men are ruled by their penises and need for pussy lol.
    This is completely true. I'm grateful that I can use my sexuality to make mad stacks, but what about the women who can't, or don't want to? They really don't have any advantage compared to men, none at all.

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    As an older woman who doesn't really look old (no wrinkles or anything like that)I can honestly say yes men treat me differently than when I was younger. This is both good and bad because I don't get as many nasty comments but on the other hand I get more old comments. I don't have as many men checking me out online but the ones who did tend to be better quality.

    Quote Originally Posted by Smurfette View Post
    This is completely true. I'm grateful that I can use my sexuality to make mad stacks, but what about the women who can't, or don't want to? They really don't have any advantage compared to men, none at all.
    In my 20's I had a friend who was very unattractive and she was at a definite disadvantage. Sadly she felt men would only like her if she slept with them early so she did. Job wise she struggled and finding a man who didn't use her was hard.

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    The reality is very few 50 year old men look like George Clooney so in a way he is a rarity. I'm willing to bet though that most women wouldn't want to date Clooney because of his reputation. I know several 50 year old men and not one is handsome. The guy I am interested in is chubby and no stud by any means. Yes most men want a young woman if they are just looking for sex but the reality is very few men will get this wish. Men looking for a relationship and are realistic will seek out a woman around their age but the men who will only date younger will find themselves alone as they age. Speaking as a 42 year old woman I have no interest in a man much older than me.

    Jim Caviezel - 44 years old


    Richard Gere

    I know these are celebrities but I believe a common man can age this well too. It doesnt take loads of money. I believe I can...I dont smoke/drink/sleep late. I exercise 6 days a week, stay out of the sun, eat fairly healthy. My mom and dad look younger than they are. But maybe a man really doesnt need to get much work done if any because the lines/wrinkles are okay/accepted. A woman would need botox/fillers/etc.

    If an older man 40+ wants a young girl (college age 18-25) he most likely needs to be a sugar daddy. I would think that would be the case...if I was a 20 year old girl I want a 20-30 year old guy...not a 50 year old. Unless I am money motivated....then I would consider the older guy.

    But when I am in my 40s and 50s...I would look for a woman who is in my age range. If I acquire enough wealth by then...maybe I would consider a young girl but that would just be for money. I want real love...but being an older man I cant expect a young 20 year old to want me for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    As an older woman who doesn't really look old (no wrinkles or anything like that)I can honestly say yes men treat me differently than when I was younger. This is both good and bad because I don't get as many nasty comments but on the other hand I get more old comments. I don't have as many men checking me out online but the ones who did tend to be better quality.
    It comes with the territory, you weed out the men from the boys.
    A true gentleman can be of any age though...nasty comments are uncalled for. I just keep quiet if I have nothing nice or true to say.
    Its all about respect, women need to respect men and men need to respect women....give some to get some.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BlackSheEp3 View Post

    Jim Caviezel - 44 years old


    Richard Gere

    I know these are celebrities but I believe a common man can age this well too. It doesnt take loads of money. I believe I can...I dont smoke/drink/sleep late. I exercise 6 days a week, stay out of the sun, eat fairly healthy. My mom and dad look younger than they are. But maybe a man really doesnt need to get much work done if any because the lines/wrinkles are okay/accepted. A woman would need botox/fillers/etc.

    If an older man 40+ wants a young girl (college age 18-25) he most likely needs to be a sugar daddy. I would think that would be the case...if I was a 20 year old girl I want a 20-30 year old guy...not a 50 year old. Unless I am money motivated....then I would consider the older guy.

    But when I am in my 40s and 50s...I would look for a woman who is in my age range. If I acquire enough wealth by then...maybe I would consider a young girl but that would just be for money. I want real love...but being an older man I cant expect a young 20 year old to want me for me.
    But you are posting celebrity men who can afford surgery, not to mention various photo tricks to make them look better. Very few 50 year old men I know look anything like that so we can't compare celebs with normal men. Yes normal men can make themselves look better but so can women. To be honest I know more women my age who look good versus the men. In fact I get frustrated because it seems so many men are obese. I take care of myself and don't sun a lot, eat healthy and exercise, not to mention strong genetics but not everyone does.

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    I think as long as men stay physically fit and manage to keep all or most of their hair, they can stay quite attractive up into their mid-50s or so (assuming they were attractive to begin with). But then again I kind of have a thing for older men so I may be biased.

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    He still looks good to me...old man but yeah its cool hes "distinct" and has lived.
    And this is coming from a dude who is super scared of old age/vain/geresphobic(sp?)


    In his younger days

    My point is if this was woman...its viewed completely differently.


    ^Still good but not like before. Shes just not that sexy young thing anymore.


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    LMAO, he does NOT look good at all. He's scary! He was handsome back in the day, but yeah.. he just looks like a grandpa with dementia now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kellydancer View Post
    But you are posting celebrity men who can afford surgery, not to mention various photo tricks to make them look better. Very few 50 year old men I know look anything like that so we can't compare celebs with normal men. Yes normal men can make themselves look better but so can women. To be honest I know more women my age who look good versus the men. In fact I get frustrated because it seems so many men are obese. I take care of myself and don't sun a lot, eat healthy and exercise, not to mention strong genetics but not everyone does.
    Quote Originally Posted by Smurfette View Post
    I think as long as men stay physically fit and manage to keep all or most of their hair, they can stay quite attractive up into their mid-50s or so (assuming they were attractive to begin with). But then again I kind of have a thing for older men so I may be biased.
    Yeah true but I have seen older people in everyday life who look good. There are a lot of good looking older men and women here in Norcal....its about 50/50 from what I have seen. Half of the population takes care of themselves while others dont give a damn.

    Yeah having hair is a big deal...I think I will be lucky because my hair is so thick and it grows likes mad. My mom's side...everyone in the family has a whole head of hair. The dudes made it to their 70/80s with a head full of hair. Hair makes one look younger...even if its grey. Its the balding that is so devastating to men...not just for appearance sake but psychologically. A woman can always wear a wig but a man..well it sucks.

    But none the less...losing one's hair (man or woman) its poop. Also loosing teeth. I never had a cavity and all my teeth are perfect and straight. That makes a significant impact as well on one's looks/aging.

    I cant emphasize that enough...its the skin, hair, and teeth. Do whatever it takes to make sure you keep em all.

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