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    I've been doing a lot of Gold show voyeur shows on SM. it's great bc it allows me to study and do school work while earning a little bit extra. My show descriptions CLEARLY say non-interactive voyeur show. I swear no one actually reads the show description when they enter gold shows bc I am constantly getting guys calling me terrible names and asking why I'm not doing a show and basically saying that I'm scamming them which I'm NOT and if they read the show description then they'd know that. I swear camming has made me realize how moronic guys are. These guys are seriously stupid and it gets my blood boiling!

    Im scared that someone is going to complain to sm support and ill get banned even though I'm not doing anything wrong and voyeur shows are allowed. Anyone ever been banned bc a guy can't read a show description and whines and complains to sm support about it?

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    I hope u dont get in trouble for it but consider u are on a cam site where u supposed to offer sexual online services for guys, that's what they expect and as we all know horny men are not paying attention to such 'small details' like room topic/ description, all they wanna see is tits, ass, holes, so on... therefore u have pissed off customers cause once they enter the gs room they cant claim for their money back so yes, from their point of view u scam them.
    Take all aspects into consideration when u decide to do such gs, still u are on a porn platform...

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    As long as you specifically state "This is a VOYEUR show - no interactions, no nudity (if applicable to your show)" or something like that in the description, then you won't get in trouble because you're not using false advertising to get people to join shows. It's their own fault for not closely reading the description, and deciding to buy in anyway.


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    biggest problem is these guys do not read. I did a foot fetish show and even typed it in all caps and most of the guys didnt want to see feet. idiots! they are all so dense.

    It's true it's their fault for not reading but then again if you don't give them at least partially what they expect it may bite you in the ass in the end by losing fans. I do hate catering to stupidity.


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    Id add does your profile and/or name say youre a voyeur show? Like is voyeur shows all that you do or do you mix it up with vanilla shows? Do you have toys, anal, leather, etc selected in your search terms? Like are sexual things selected or implied so that if guys search your profile willynilly they may mistake it?

    Im thinking of the guys trying to enter the show while it is already in progress, which if you do voyeur shows your shows are probably pretty long so Im sure guys enter who missed the countdown. On an iPad I tried to enter someone's gold show in progress and Im pretty sure the only pop up I got was how much time was left in the show and the cost of the goldshow. It didnt give any details on the show. Also on an ipad you cant read people's profiles. Ive never tried to enter a show on a laptop before and also am not sure the percentage of SM's users who are on mobile technology.... but you may want to ensure your profile is super clear what is voyeur and what is not. Like beyond the headline. Or even ask for a voyeur only account.

    Im super sympathetic to people not reading but .... let's be real, if enough people complain about anything esp in a short period of time the site may decide it is an issue to get ppl to stfu about it. I dont mean a small cranky handful but like a flood. I think tags were instituted bc guys were complaining they cant rate gold shows. And checking sites that discuss STreamate and Streamate models: uh, guys do complain and talk CS's ear off. So if it is more than a 3-5 guys complaining, you may want to ensure your profile is as crystal clear as possible. To protect your account.

    This is just my really generic advice for any bigbox camsite if youre providing a pretty niche service, not from experience with voyeur shows & SM specifically.
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    I don't do gold shows anymore but when I used to do them, I get that kind of shit all the time! No matter how clearly you've stated on your description, there will always be fucktards that don't read or for 5 gold they would expect you to fuck yourself wild. I don't ban in gold shows because I don't give anyone the satisfaction of getting their money back. I just simply ignore them! I am not going to list all of the things that I don't do. Ain't nobody got time for that!
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    I would seriously use a watermark (manycam has it) so it shows up on the actual video. Just put Non Interactive Voyeur Show on it. You should be good then if they can read English and they won't be able to miss it.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Marina Starr View Post
    I don't do gold shows anymore but when I used to do them, I get that kind of shit all the time! No matter how clearly you've stated on your description, there will always be fucktards that don't read or for 5 gold they would expect you to fuck yourself wild. I don't ban in gold shows because I don't give anyone the satisfaction of getting their money back. I just simply ignore them! I am not going to list all of the things that I don't do. Ain't nobody got time for that!
    Exactly! Lots of SM models are specific about what's gonna happen in the show...it's right there in the description box. If you're doing a 15-minute voyeur show of you in the shower (if you're just taking a shower...no masturbation or anything with toys...make that clear in the topic), and guys are dumb enough to join without even reading the description, that's not your fault...it's theirs. This is why people always tell you to read something first before you agree to it.
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    Some of them are just appalled when models do GS with no masturbation, no toys so they would throw tantrums. Just as to a lot of men, it ain't dinner unless there's meat, LMAO!
    Quote Originally Posted by TheBrownFox View Post
    Exactly! Lots of SM models are specific about what's gonna happen in the show...it's right there in the description box. If you're doing a 15-minute voyeur show of you in the shower (if you're just taking a shower...no masturbation or anything with toys...make that clear in the topic), and guys are dumb enough to join without even reading the description, that's not your fault...it's theirs. This is why people always tell you to read something first before you agree to it.
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    I can see you being 90 and flipping your long hair, still teasing the boys.



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    Marina, can u pls post Oprah's words about men that got deleted? I wanna save that things, TY

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    Quote Originally Posted by AliceFun View Post
    u supposed to offer sexual online services for guys
    That's just the thing though...


    Nowhere on streamatemodels.com - where all of their potential models (hopefully!) sign up to work for them - does it tell you what to do in chat aside from, well.... chat! At first glance, the sign-up site is extremely sleaze-free and clean-cut, even. To the passing eye, isn't even remotely NSFW.

    The sign-up site has bullet-points that tells me I can work from home, make my own schedule, earn up to $10k per week, and that I can "chat with tons of visitors daily" if I have a computer, a webcam, and an internet connection...

    Not even in the FAQ section under the section "How Does Web Cam Modelling Work?" or even the Performer Code of Conduct does it mention anywhere that I am "supposed" to do anything at all. It just warns about below-belt nudity in free chat, and not to harass anyone.



    For this reason, I don't believe that any model should be given any form of warning, suspension or any kind of punishment for simply not doing a sexual show, whether she mostly usually does them or not.

    However we also work in an environment packed to the walls with entitled individuals who do not think twice about barraging a performer with insults at the drop of a hat if they don't get exactly what they demand ~ whether they've paid another human being (with her own personal boundaries and limits, no matter what they may be) $0, $1, $10, or $100... Should we also expect some paying clients to be illiterate or careless with their money, and to therefore go back on our word about a paid show topic (which other, more literate clients knowingly paid for) - just because some others either cannot read, or don't care about what the topic of the show was before they handed money over?

    We all know this poisonous cam-culture whereby we get already get treated like emotionless sexbots with tireless vaginas and sex drives by so many... and yet a tireless vagina does not necessarily make a top-notch performer. One of the greatest camgirls I know does DIY on cam, carpentry (yup!), edits clips whilst camming, chills out with her room, sleeps on cam, and her room is ALWAYS full no matter what. She was also on a SM commercial. I see her fanbase treating her better for her realness, because she feels like an actual human being to them and I know that many of them would jump through fire for her because of how "real" she is..

    How dreadful it would be, if any camgirl like her were actually punished for simply running her room in such a way that help prevented guests from treating us like emotionless sexbots when we are not. For those of us who are full-time camgirls especially, we still need to work, even if we're not feeling horny or in the mood to act horny, and sometimes showing just a little "reality" (read: NOT "halp me I'm sad give me tip") can work in our favor like it has for the lady I mentioned.

    ...And now I'll pray that this post doesn't get deleted in the illness SW has been going through lately.
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    And the Church says Amen! That's why you see a lot of cam girls that are goddess on cam but in real life, they are falling apart with low self-esteem! I am first a human being NOT a sexual being!
    Quote Originally Posted by Incantatious View Post
    We all know this poisonous cam-culture whereby we get already get treated like emotionless sexbots with tireless vaginas and sex drives by so many... and yet a tireless vagina does not necessarily make a top-notch performer. One of the greatest camgirls I know does DIY on cam, carpentry (yup!), edits clips whilst camming, chills out with her room, sleeps on cam, and her room is ALWAYS full no matter what. She was also on a SM commercial. I see her fanbase treating her better for this, because she feels like an actual human being to them and I know that many of them would jump through fire for her because of how "real" she is..
    Quote Originally Posted by ~Carmen~ View Post
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    ^^^ Sure, agree, i mean from their point of view they expect 'meat', sure there are site rules but there are unwritten rules as well, men are men no matter how much u write & explain they'll still expect certain things.

    By the way, i try to teach my 18 yo son things, even after many years of me talking, explaining, 'crying' he wont listen/ understand/ do things different.
    His explanation? I dont care to listen to what u have to say, i will not keep in mind, i'll do things my way anyway so why u bother?
    He doesent see things when looking for something even they are there in front of his eyes.
    He is not retarded but has a sharp mind and very intelligent but when it comes to doing/ learning/ caring for certain things he wont do it properly. Funny eh?

    I once asked a guy on SM: 'how come u dont see my room topic above or profile description, it's all in there, u asking all these questions when u could read all infoes". He said: "i dont care to read i better ask u". Facepalm!! Laziness? Oh Yeah, a lot!!

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    I don't serve meat, I serve Tuna!


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    Quote Originally Posted by AliceFun View Post
    ^^^ Sure, agree, i mean from their point of view they expect 'meat', sure there are site rules but there are unwritten rules as well, men are men no matter how much u write & explain they'll still expect certain things.
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    ^^^ Hahahaaaaaaaa, good one!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by AliceFun View Post
    ^^^ Sure, agree, i mean from their point of view they expect 'meat', sure there are site rules but there are unwritten rules as well, men are men no matter how much u write & explain they'll still expect certain things.

    By the way, i try to teach my 18 yo son things, even after many years of me talking, explaining, 'crying' he wont listen/ understand/ do things different.
    His explanation? I dont care to listen to what u have to say, i will not keep in mind, i'll do things my way anyway so why u bother?
    He doesent see things when looking for something even they are there in front of his eyes.
    He is not retarded but has a sharp mind and very intelligent but when it comes to doing/ learning/ caring for certain things he wont do it properly. Funny eh?

    I once asked a guy on SM: 'how come u dont see my room topic above or profile description, it's all in there, u asking all these questions when u could read all infoes". He said: "i dont care to read i better ask u". Facepalm!! Laziness? Oh Yeah, a lot!!


    When Streamate come out with a rule dictating that I must show my pussy and masturbate in every show - no exceptions - I shall say "yes sir!", and make another site the majority of my cut for voyeur, chatting, chilling and spoken-word fetish shows.

    Until then, fuck the bullshit expectations of incomprehensible fools with more money than sense.




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    ^^^ Amen, my best shows are the non nude ones, on that i bank actually!!

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    I could deal with more money than sense but when it's no money, no sense then it's tragic!
    Quote Originally Posted by Incantatious View Post
    Until then, fuck the bullshit expectations of incomprehensible fools with more money than sense.
    Quote Originally Posted by ~Carmen~ View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marina Starr View Post
    I could deal with more money than sense but when it's no money, no sense then it's tragic!
    Haha! Seriously!


    "HEY BB i joined yur show and I GOTs u wun gold $1 NOW U FIZT an anus 4 me plz???

    NOW BB DOO eet

    WHATS GOING ON?????

    FIZT anus!!! I PAID!!!!!!!

    wut is a vueoryur???? is it a ANUS TOY FOR FIZTING bb???? i pay wun gold"



    Lol! The going rate must be like $0.05 per brain cell for some of these guys. $10 is already more money than they have brain cells.

    It's like someone handed them a dollar and said "Aww poor baby.. Wait, here's a whole dollar. Don't go nuts with it now!"

    And they went fucking insane with it...





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    LMAO! When all else fails I just spammed the idiots with:

    Google Voyeur!
    Google Voyeur!
    Google Voyeur!
    Google Voyeur!
    Google Voyeur!
    Google Voyeur!
    Google Voyeur!
    Google Voyeur!
    Google Voyeur!
    Google Voyeur!

    ***idiots leave gold show****

    ***Marina kept all her golds***
    Quote Originally Posted by Incantatious View Post
    Haha! Seriously!


    "HEY BB i joined yur show and I GOTs u wun gold $1 NOW U FIZT an anus 4 me plz???

    NOW BB DOO eet

    WHATS GOING ON?????

    FIZT anus!!! I PAID!!!!!!!

    wut is a vueoryur???? is it a ANUS TOY FOR FIZTING bb???? i pay wun gold"



    Lol! The going rate must be like $0.05 per brain cell for some of these guys.

    It's like someone handed them a dollar and said "Aww poor baby.. Wait, here's a whole dollar. Don't go nuts with it now!"

    And they went fucking insane with it...
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    I don't care what men expect or don't expect on Streamate.

    Guys ask me for anal all the time. Am I 'ripping them off' because I don't do anal even though the majority of the girls on the site do? It is in my profile that I do not do it. Should I just understand that since guys rarely read profiles and most girls offer anal as an option that when guys bitch, whine and complain to me to do it and I don't want too should I just do it because it is 'expected'?

    If not, then why should it be any different with Gold Shows?

    The way I see it, my GS show, my rules. I pretty much ONLY do voyeur gold shows these days. I am not responsible if they don't read the gold show description. They can bitch, whine and complain all they want. My boundaries are written right on the top of the chat box in the topic and when I point out to men that fact when they ask me for something different they should damn well RESPECT those limits. Calling me a rip-off when the limits of what I am offering in my show as clear as day for them in my topic is beyond insulting. To me, it all comes down whether or not I am obeying the sites rules (to the best of my ability since rules seem to appear out of nowhere sometime.)

    Sorry for the astringency of this reply. But this whole 'well, what did you expect....you are on an porn platform thing really got my knickers in a twist."

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    I am sorry u took offence on my post JAC, i know i replied to OP regarding her concerns with members bitching about getting ripped off.
    Some good years ago on Ifriends i had a studio colleague that got suspended for not willing to undress in private chat for a member, he reported her and they suspended her saying "if u work nude category u required to get nude and perform for ur paying members".
    I think all sites have this rule (written or unwritten) including SM. Now if they enforce it or not is another story but we all know sites value their members more than their models therefore if a number of members complain about a certain model doing a certain show they not happy with, who knows what is going to happen to model account...
    Also, voyeurism is a small niche for fetish guys, Voyeur Gold shows are even more new and has a small audience, people need time to get used to it especially members, voyeur gold shows are not clearly regulated on SM, it was invented recently by models looking for an alternative to freechat.
    Now if some models prefer to do this kind of gold shows instead of a 'normal' show members expect is another story, as i said its something new and kinda 'unusual' and SM is the only site u can do this from what i know.
    Regarding not doing anal for example, right, i totally agree u, i dont do it myself on regular basis (just very rarely for special regulars) but u cant compare not doing anal while doing vaginal play still with not doing anything sexual at all while u work Nude category still.
    That's my whole point, maybe i dont know to express myself perfect in english and i am sometimes misunderstood but i try to help people in need same like others help me.
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    I am curious how one actually gets PAID to do a vouyer show?

    Like.

    You sit there and are doing homework.
    Men pop in and out of the room.
    You do not look at the camera, do not talk, are not giving them any attention.

    If a man really is a "vouyer" - then, he will watch you. He will get off on watching you. Why would he pay, if you are full filling his fetish publicly?

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    We are talking about Voyeur gold show not public chat so they have to pledge to see you! There's a fetish for everything in the world of camming.
    Quote Originally Posted by CanadianRuby View Post
    I am curious how one actually gets PAID to do a vouyer show?

    Like.

    You sit there and are doing homework.
    Men pop in and out of the room.
    You do not look at the camera, do not talk, are not giving them any attention.

    If a man really is a "vouyer" - then, he will watch you. He will get off on watching you. Why would he pay, if you are full filling his fetish publicly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by AliceFun View Post
    Some good years ago on Ifriends i had a studio colleague that got suspended for not willing to undress in private chat for a member, he reported her and they suspended her saying "if u work nude category u required to get nude and perform for ur paying members".
    I think all sites have this rule (written or unwritten) including SM. Now if they enforce it or not is another story but we all know sites value their members more than their models therefore if a number of members complain about a certain model doing a certain show they not happy with, who knows what is going to happen to model account...
    Yeah, a model in the nude category with detail of fetish works etc in her profile, who is taken private by someone who wants her to masturbate and be sexual, etc, I can understand much more... However, I'd love to see the suspension email...!



    "Dear performer,


    Tits or GTFO!


    Thank you,
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    Lol, but yeah, I understand where you're coming from.

    A model still has her own limits though, and fortunately SM seem understanding of this, even going so far as to remove negative ratings upon our request when this occurs and we get a man paying his money to see his do something we don't (and won't) want to do. So I guess it would be a matter of figuring out where the line was crossed if a model is to be suspended for that: If she didn't masturbate, do penetration, enough penetration..? Penetration for long enough.. She just wasn't sexual enough..?

    Taking action about a model not being sexual in paid chat - even if her profile bigs it up - still seems like a rocky ground to actually suspend a model. I know sites can, and have, and will suspend models for things that don't even make any sense, but SM seem slightly more on the level.

    Ultimately though yes, regardless of all of this, they don't need a reason to suspend anyone.



    Quote Originally Posted by AliceFun View Post
    Also, voyeurism is a small niche for fetish guys, Voyeur Gold shows are even more new and has a small audience, people need time to get used to it especially members, voyeur gold shows are not clearly regulated on SM, it was invented recently by models looking for an alternative to freechat.
    Do you mean that in the sense that all shows are models looking for an alternative to free chat? Because the voyeur-on-cam fetish has been around long before SM even existed. It certainly was not invented by SM models. It's a smaller fetish than most, yes, but not only does it have it's fans, but it also has a huuuuuuge list of cross-over fetishes depending on what the subject is doing, looks like, etc...
    For example, when I do voyeur, I still get regulars who are more than happy with this, because I'm a hairy girl, and they are quite happy to sit and watch me just be naked so they can see my hairiness.. They are not necessarily getting off exclusively on the fact that it's a voyeur show, but they know they're still getting what they like when the show starts.

    If the model isn't getting getting nude for a voyeur show, and isn't doing anything different to what she is doing in free chat AT ALL if she's just sitting there ignoring her room and studying.. then yes, I can see much more grounds for action of some kind. It's still SO rocky though.. being as you can get paid to do pretty much anything on cam anyway..

    Man.. THIS IS A HOT TOPIC! lol.

    Quote Originally Posted by AliceFun View Post
    maybe i dont know to express myself perfect in english and i am sometimes misunderstood but i try to help people in need same like others help me.
    Have Peace!
    I'm understanding you fine from here Alice!




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