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    1. Agreed. Absolutely. The one thing I would say is that LOA isn't actually about being "positive". You can have a completely "positive" attitude and be doing absolutely nothing even related to LOA. I'm actually less of a fan of people who are relentlessly positive - I find it really annoying. To me, it isn't about "positive thinking" so much as "focused thinking".

    We both agree so my first point is now thrown off the table.

    2. If you focus on the idea that you are "crazy" or "fucked up" or whatever - you will do yourself more harm than good. If you accept that you are depressed/manic/whatever and then just move on and focus on having the life you want anyway....it's a lot easier to deal with. I'm not schizophrenic (I'm bi polar, amongst other things) so I can't really comment on that specifically.

    Schizophrenia is a mental illness where you perception of the world has been inaccurately altered because of a chemical balance in you head. The idea of 'focused' thinking is so simplified. It makes the assumption that 'thoughts are things'. They are not things. They are chemical and electrical impulses. One hit to the head in the wrong place and you can lose access to many parts of your personality and what makes you...you.

    3. I think that LOA is a fantastic way to make your life better. But do I think that you have the ability to change natural disasters? Aw hell naw.

    I have no doubt that you are made of rainbows and awesome. You may not believe it but the author of the book 'The Secret' does. The Secret = Law of Attraction

    4. This is the only one of your points that I disagree with! Again, I think that this is a common (and wrong) interpretation of what the LOA means.

    When we are talking about LOA....we are essentially talking about the book 'The Secret', right? My interpretation is from reading the book more often then I like to publicly admit. My issue with the LOA is that it takes what is essential good ideas from positive psychology (detachment, affirmations, awareness of your current thoughts) and twists it into this horrid victim-blaming thing.

    These are some DIRECT quotes from 'The Secret'

    * The only reason any person does not have enough money is because they are blocking money from coming to them with their thoughts.

    * How it will happen, how the Universe will bring it to you, is not your concern or job. Allow the Universe to do it for you.

    * Illness cannot exist in a body that has harmonious thoughts.

    I would love clarification on how I am interpreting LOA wrong. To me, those statements are pretty cut and dry. None of them line up with 'the common sense way' of how you just explained to me that LOA works. What you just explained does line up with how positive psychology works. As I have expressed before Positive Psychology and LOA are two COMPLETELY different beasts. One is a soft science and the other is victim-blaming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justanothercamgirl View Post
    1. Agreed. Absolutely. The one thing I would say is that LOA isn't actually about being "positive". You can have a completely "positive" attitude and be doing absolutely nothing even related to LOA. I'm actually less of a fan of people who are relentlessly positive - I find it really annoying. To me, it isn't about "positive thinking" so much as "focused thinking".

    We both agree so my first point is now thrown off the table.

    2. If you focus on the idea that you are "crazy" or "fucked up" or whatever - you will do yourself more harm than good. If you accept that you are depressed/manic/whatever and then just move on and focus on having the life you want anyway....it's a lot easier to deal with. I'm not schizophrenic (I'm bi polar, amongst other things) so I can't really comment on that specifically.

    Schizophrenia is a mental illness where you perception of the world has been inaccurately altered because of a chemical balance in you head. The idea of 'focused' thinking is so simplified. It makes the assumption that 'thoughts are things'. They are not things. They are chemical and electrical impulses. One hit to the head in the wrong place and you can lose access to many parts of your personality and what makes you...you.

    3. I think that LOA is a fantastic way to make your life better. But do I think that you have the ability to change natural disasters? Aw hell naw.

    I have no doubt that you are made of rainbows and awesome. You may not believe it but the author of the book 'The Secret' does. The Secret = Law of Attraction

    4. This is the only one of your points that I disagree with! Again, I think that this is a common (and wrong) interpretation of what the LOA means.

    When we are talking about LOA....we are essentially talking about the book 'The Secret', right? My interpretation is from reading the book more often then I like to publicly admit. My issue with the LOA is that it takes what is essential good ideas from positive psychology (detachment, affirmations, awareness of your current thoughts) and twists it into this horrid victim-blaming thing.

    These are some DIRECT quotes from 'The Secret'

    * The only reason any person does not have enough money is because they are blocking money from coming to them with their thoughts.

    * How it will happen, how the Universe will bring it to you, is not your concern or job. Allow the Universe to do it for you.

    * Illness cannot exist in a body that has harmonious thoughts.

    I would love clarification on how I am interpreting LOA wrong. To me, those statements are pretty cut and dry. None of them line up with 'the common sense way' of how you just explained to me that LOA works. What you just explained does line up with how positive psychology works. As I have expressed before Positive Psychology and LOA are two COMPLETELY different beasts. One is a soft science and the other is victim-blaming.
    OK. I think that it is important for me to state right here, that I am NOT a major fan of the Secret. I know that it is how most people know it, and I will admit that I think they actually came up with the phrase in order to explain a bunch of other stuff - and it is that other stuff that I like, not the actual Secret. Frankly, I find the author to be patronising and to over simplify everything - she really doesn't allow for any subtlety or shades of grey. Then again, it is written for mass market, dumbed down "this is the answer and it's super easy" stuff.

    Essentially, this is something that was discussed and understood for a long, long time, and then the author just....collated all this other information. And I don't think that she necessarily did it very well, or even totally gets the complexity of some of these ideas herself. So when she is quoted as saying retarded things, I just shake my head and back away.

    Have you read "Think and Grow Rich" and "The Master Key to Riches"? I think that they are better written and far better examples of LOA than the Secret.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManyRoses View Post
    OK. I think that it is important for me to state right here, that I am NOT a major fan of the Secret. I know that it is how most people know it, and I will admit that I think they actually came up with the phrase in order to explain a bunch of other stuff - and it is that other stuff that I like, not the actual Secret. Frankly, I find the author to be patronising and to over simplify everything - she really doesn't allow for any subtlety or shades of grey. Then again, it is written for mass market, dumbed down "this is the answer and it's super easy" stuff.

    Essentially, this is something that was discussed and understood for a long, long time, and then the author just....collated all this other information. And I don't think that she necessarily did it very well, or even totally gets the complexity of some of these ideas herself. So when she is quoted as saying retarded things, I just shake my head and back away.

    Have you read "Think and Grow Rich" and "The Master Key to Riches"? I think that they are better written and far better examples of LOA than the Secret.
    Whaaaa? O.O
    I am so completely confused right now! You are going to have to really help me out to understand.

    If what you say above is true than semantically doesn't that mean that you don't believe in the 'Law of Attraction' (as per our common pop culture definition*).

    You do have to grant me that if you say LOA to the majority of people they will assume that you are talking about 'The Secret'. I am really confused right now why you believe that most people have a common (and wrong) interpretation of what the LOA when (if my understand is correct) you have your own personal interpretation of it.

    * The Law of Attraction comes up a lot in Wiccans and Pagans regions but I think if you meant it in that way you would of mentioned it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by justanothercamgirl View Post
    Whaaaa? O.O
    I am so completely confused right now! You are going to have to really help me out to understand.

    If what you say above is true than semantically doesn't that mean that you don't believe in the 'Law of Attraction' (as per our common pop culture definition*).

    You do have to grant me that if you say LOA to the majority of people they will assume that you are talking about 'The Secret'. I am really confused right now why you believe that most people have a common (and wrong) interpretation of what the LOA when (if my understand is correct) you have your own personal interpretation of it.

    * The Law of Attraction comes up a lot in Wiccans and Pagans regions but I think if you meant it in that way you would of mentioned it?
    The LOA is NOT the secret. The Secret is one book, and one person's interpretation of LOA. Abraham Hicks claims to have coined the term LOA, but I think that Napoleon Hill covers that territory, and did so long before Hicks did. Hill himself spent 25 years interveiwing OTHER people about how they applied the LOA - and it bugs me no end that people assume that The Secret is the be all and end all of LOA. It is one of the most recent, and imho, least useful books on a subject that is absolutely huge.

    The Secret does have some good points, has the basic stuff down - but the author annoys the crap out of me, and I don't think that it well written.

    I guess it is like (I am trying to think of a good example here!) if you are talking about what "counts" as being Vegan. Vegan is a way of living where everyone has the same core tenants of belief (no animal products) but there are a range of different authors and groups that will disagree about exactly how that should be applied. The LOA is always based around the key idea that your thoughts create your reality, but people who read the Secret will have a slightly different interpretation of it than people who follow Hicks, or Hill. (Made more complicated by the fact that Hicks made the Secret video, yet Byrne wrote her book with the same name).

    Also, it is actually pretty much the same as it is understood in the Wiccan rule of three - you get back what you give out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManyRoses View Post
    The LOA is NOT the secret. The Secret is one book, and one person's interpretation of LOA. Abraham Hicks claims to have coined the term LOA, but I think that Napoleon Hill covers that territory, and did so long before Hicks did. Hill himself spent 25 years interveiwing OTHER people about how they applied the LOA - and it bugs me no end that people assume that The Secret is the be all and end all of LOA. It is one of the most recent, and imho, least useful books on a subject that is absolutely huge.

    The Secret does have some good points, has the basic stuff down - but the author annoys the crap out of me, and I don't think that it well written.

    I guess it is like (I am trying to think of a good example here!) if you are talking about what "counts" as being Vegan. Vegan is a way of living where everyone has the same core tenants of belief (no animal products) but there are a range of different authors and groups that will disagree about exactly how that should be applied. The LOA is always based around the key idea that your thoughts create your reality, but people who read the Secret will have a slightly different interpretation of it than people who follow Hicks, or Hill. (Made more complicated by the fact that Hicks made the Secret video, yet Byrne wrote her book with the same name).

    Also, it is actually pretty much the same as it is understood in the Wiccan rule of three - you get back what you give out.
    My own personal problem is that the majority of the people who believe in LOA believe in the LOA as defined by the book 'The Secret.' LOA defend by 'The Secret' makes me want to stab things.

    LOA as defined by you......I really can't debate about since you are one of the most amazing and positive camgirls I know.

    So, in closing all I can say is:

    The Secret/LOA = An horrid and evil book

    LOA/Manyroses = A person with her own non-Secret definition of LOA that I fully endorse.

    I do humbly suggest in the future that when telling people that they should really look into LOA you might want to mention that it is the non-Secret version. Sadly, that book has now fucked it up for past definitions of the phrase.

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    My own personal problem is that the majority of the people who believe in LOA believe in the LOA as defined by the book 'The Secret.' LOA defend by 'The Secret' makes me want to stab things.

    LOA as defined by you......I really can't debate about since you are one of the most amazing and positive camgirls I know.

    So, in closing all I can say is:

    The Secret/LOA = An horrid and evil book

    LOA/Manyroses = A person with her own non-Secret definition of LOA that I fully endorse.

    I do humbly suggest in the future that when telling people that they should really look into LOA you might want to mention that it is the non-Secret version. Sadly, that book has now fucked it up for past definitions of the phrase.
    Daw!

    But yeah, I totally understand what you are saying - I wish that I could come up with a better label for it, but then people hear the basic underlying principle and go "oh, right. The Secret.". *facepalm

    In any case, I thoroughly recommend Think & Grow Rich - and will happily take suggestions for what I can call this that doesn't make people think of that darned book!!! Or, alternatively, that links too closely to Wicca, because then you get the morons who say stuff like "what, so it's magic? I don't believe in magic. Karma and stuff is stupid". More facepalming. It's not magic, it's physics, psychology, and a pinch of stuff we don't yet understand.
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    On second thought - maybe I should just write a book and take back the phrase!! I'd sure like to make an ass-load of money for writing something that has already been written about several times. That sounds easier than jacking off for a living.,... LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManyRoses View Post
    But yeah, I totally understand what you are saying - I wish that I could come up with a better label for it, but then people hear the basic underlying principle and go "oh, right. The Secret.". *facepalm*
    In a case like this, what I always go with is to make up an entirely NEW set of words that are closely based on the old one.

    Example:

    Person 1: "You should really look into Attraction's Law"

    Person 2: "You mean the Law of Attraction?"

    Person 1: "Ha ha ha! Oh my goodness no, it is an entirely different thing."


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    Let me just note that you follow the Law of Attraction whether you think you do or not. It's like gravity. It's a law, not a fantasy. Like attracts like, it's not a question of "believing" in it or not so much as using it to your advantage. If you change the way you think about life, your life changes. Simple as that. I used my thoughts to sink myself into a deep depression for two years and I pulled myself out of it in the exact same way. Within 6 months my life did a 180, simply by changing the way I see the world. It's not an issue of whether or not the LOA exists - it does. But, that's something you have to come to terms with for yourself. Only life experience will show you that.

    Anyway, onto motivation. What motivates me is looking at myself the way I want to see myself and trying to one-up that mental image. Always improving upon myself, being financially independent. Music is a great motivator.

    Also, having a little healthy competition with a bitch helps, lol! One-upping your "rivals" is always fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcatxbrownx View Post
    Let me just note that you follow the Law of Attraction whether you think you do or not.
    No, I assure you I do not follow the Law of Attraction whether I think I do or not. It is not a law and I find it personally insulting that you would push your belief system on me by trying to insist to me otherwise.

    If you believe in LOA, fine. But please don't tell me what I personally believe in or follow. I dislike it from the LOA crowd as much as I dislike it from Christians that tell me that it is okay if I don't believe in God, because he believes in me.
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    Quick science lesson, boys and girls. Why the 'Law of Attraction' can not logically be a law.

    While a scientific theory can become a scientific law, it does not happen often and each process has a revered and separate purpose as part of the scientific method. A common misconception is that a theory becomes a law after a certain amount of data has accumulated. That is not the case. The 'Law of Attraction' does not stand up to the scientific method because it can not be measured accurately with scientific instruments. Therefore it can not possibly be a scientific law.

    There are many things that the majority of people have experience that are not recognized by science...lucid dreaming would be one of them. Just because something does not stand up to the scientific method does not mean the thing doesn't exists but it does mean that there is no possible way that it could be a law in science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcatxbrownx View Post
    Let me just note that you follow the Law of Attraction whether you think you do or not. It's like gravity. It's a law, not a fantasy. Like attracts like, it's not a question of "believing" in it or not so much as using it to your advantage. If you change the way you think about life, your life changes. Simple as that. I used my thoughts to sink myself into a deep depression for two years and I pulled myself out of it in the exact same way. Within 6 months my life did a 180, simply by changing the way I see the world. It's not an issue of whether or not the LOA exists - it does. But, that's something you have to come to terms with for yourself. Only life experience will show you that.

    Anyway, onto motivation. What motivates me is looking at myself the way I want to see myself and trying to one-up that mental image. Always improving upon myself, being financially independent. Music is a great motivator.

    Also, having a little healthy competition with a bitch helps, lol! One-upping your "rivals" is always fun.
    I know that you don't mean to - but this post is incredibly insulting. Yes, I know that the Secret (that damned secret!!!) actually uses that exact example (LOA as a scientific law, like gravity) but REALLY???!!!!

    This reminds me of extremist converts of anything; religion, environmentalism, veganism, diets....someone reads a couple books, swallows it hook, line, and sinker, and parrots it back gospel to other people. More annoyingly - repeats it back as though it is immutable law.

    That "scientific law" crap? Every "scientific law" that is popularly quoted is something that came into existence somewhere along the spectrum of humanity attempting to explain a thing. At points, every single one of those "laws" will be altered, updated, changed, or further explained. That is why few people who are actually in the scientific community would call them "laws" - they are "theories" and they are always changing as we learn more. Yup, even gravity is something that was at first unknown, then theorized, then solidified, then continually tweaked. It is still being explored, altered, and applied to new scenarios to be further understood.

    And the LOA? You mean....that thoughts are things? Um...so it doesn't matter if you believe in the thing that is based around the idea that what you believe creates your reality?

    I'm thrilled that you have improved your life. I really am. That's awesome. You know what, it works for me, too.

    Except that what works for me is based on the idea that you attract what you ARE, not what you WANT. So if I want to have great women in my life that I can converse with, enjoy company with, seek advice from,....I have to BE the kind of woman that you can debate with and get non-judgmental advice from.

    Just has said that she finds LOA to be victim-creating. Those are some loaded words. It doesn't take much to realize that while she may be happy to discuss the idea, she hardly wants it forced on her, any more that you would like someone to attempt to force the idea that it is complete bollocks down YOUR throat.

    And the idea that "you will have to come to terms with that on your own" - you may not realise it, but that basically translates as "I know you better than you do, AND I understand the world better than you, too". It's incredibly arrogant.

    Love whatever you want - and use whatever tools you like to make your life better. But that is just....not ok.

    And I'm really not sure what you are attracting if you are calling other women bitches and using their failures as a source of joy, or getting your kicks by being better than them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ManyRoses View Post
    I know that you don't mean to - but this post is incredibly insulting....
    If you take it that way, sure!

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcatxbrownx View Post
    If you take it that way, sure!

    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    You mean the same way that you take it that LOA is actually a law?
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    So.........to get my own thread back on track.

    Today will be all about 'camming my way'. I am going to cam at a super slow pace and take lots and lots of breaks and try not to listen to the voices in my head that yell at me that I am 'less of a camgirl' when I am not 'working hard enough' at my job.

    Do any of you get that? Your own mind bitching because it is telling you aren't 'putting in enough effort?'

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    I am such a procrastinator.
    So now that I finally need to start making money my mind is bitching at me.
    I'm going to hempfest too and I need money for that.
    Burnout sucks but I'm at a point where camming is must so let's hope it doesn't rear its ugly head for awhile.
    It's taken me weeks to get comfortable enough to sit and cam for even two hours straight.
    Yesterday I did pretty well with it. It also helped that I sat in chair for once instead of on my bed.
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    ManyRoses: I saw this TED talk today and totally thought of you. I think it just might be possible that Tony Robbins explained my point of view better than I ever could. Who knew!?! To tell you the truth, I am slightly horrified right now.


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