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  • Kick or ban!!! Time is money and I can't afford to lose neither!

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  • I let em stay, but ignore them. They may get $ someday!

    28 34.57%
  • I ridicule/shame them until they-or other guys-pay!

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  • If they really are nice and polite, I let em stay and talk to em when bored.

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    Default Re: How do you deal with lurkers/freeloaders who are nice but aren't paying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Deaddolly View Post
    Nice doesn't pay the bills.
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    Default Re: How do you deal with lurkers/freeloaders who are nice but aren't paying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Nina_Den View Post
    I agree with this in so many ways.
    @GlamourRouge, I respect and appreciate your stance on the matter, but I personally don't agree with it.
    As Marina said, using the store analogy, IMO it's equivalent to a a person just stepping inside a resturaunt, not ordering anything AND oftentimes not even talking, just standing there.

    I never, ever, EVER shout at the members in my room, argue with them or get bitchy. Never. I think it looks horrible on cam. I am always very polite, pleasent and warm, but at the same time, I'm straight-to-the-point. If a member is lurking my room, either staying quite, not even greeting me, or just "chatting", I tell them that I'm sorry but perhaps they should come another day, then I kick them out.

    The ONLY people that I ban are rude, demanding and abusive memebers, or ones that are nearly illiterate.

    I am the boss of my own room, and IMO, that's the beauty of it.
    Actually I agree as well. Lurker tend to just lurk for months. I understand Glamour posted that eventually they will spend but I feel that many want to get the free interaction as long as possible.

    What I usually do is call someone out that lurks daily. Sometimes it works and they cough up some cash but other times the person becomes the every day broke chatter. It gets bad over time and then I find out where they are and block the whole damn state. Can't lurk if you can't find me right?

    I understand guys don't have money all the time. When I don't have money to do things I'll watch from outside the store. My point is they can lurk in the room in guest chat. Many of the paying members do this and will log in for example if you go private so they can voyeur in.

    One of my best spending voyeurs never sits in my room ever. He only pops in when I'm already in a private. He used to come in my room but he was annoyed with the Chatty Cathys sitting in my room talking about stuff that is in now way related to sex or anything sexy. It was a buzz kill even though some of the discussions were quite interesting. Point was he didn't come there for that even if some of the topics were of interest.

    There's only one guy that I don't mind coming in and chatting whether he spends or not. He's in his late 20s, cool , down to earth and laughs at the stupid guys on the sites. Plus he has the biggest cock I've ever seen lol haha When he spends he spends but he comes in and always leaves me in a good mood. This member doesn't even realize how much of a breath of fresh air he really is. No one has kept his demenor in over 2 years on cam.

    So that's 1 person out of the dozens of people that I've chatted, camming etc with out of 3 years. That's pretty fucking sad when you think about it.

    The other reason guys lurk is one thing " I WANT TO KNOW WHERE YOU LIVE".Surely they're waiting on someone to drop the time, a bottle with a recycle code on it, anything they can use to pin point your location. So when it comes to lurkers after seeing the same guy pop in immediately upon loggging in, I "accidentally" block him.

    I used to chat alot in free chat with guys and try to make them all feel welcomed but all this did was block money. When a tipper came in the broke guy just typed rapidly and started filling up the chat. It wasn't anything sexual but it was clear to him that he was about to loose the floor and $$$ will out do any conversation. Plus lets not forget it's draining. Nothing is more tiring then talking to the same person for over an hour that has no money. He's done draining you and says he's leaving but he just finds another model's room to do the same thing in.

    Now? I stop them in mid chat and says Umm are you looking for something in my topic?? Or did you want to go private?? It stops them in their tracks and they either come up with a good excuse and then I'll go ok no worries .. Move to close : " WELL THANKS FOR STOPPING IN". <--- Nice way to say STFU & GTFO!

    If they keep typing I ignore everything and act like I'm busy away typing to someone else.

    The main reason some guys never spend in one model's room yet stay there more but will go into another model's room and spend like crazy but not stick around?? She doesn't allow him to stay unless he's spending. She's made it so that she ignores him until he spends.

    I used to do it to one member. He loved to chat but sometimes he didn't tip and will sit in my room for 5 fucking hours talking. So what I did is train him. He pops in says " hey (insert model name) I pretend I don't even see him typing. He then tips so I hear the **chime** boom " Ohh hey wow thanks !! Hey you!! Wow what a nice way to enter!! haha??"<---trained.

    ^ I didn't do this all the time but when he stopped tipping and just talking me to death that's when I would implement the ring $$$ to respond program lol

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    Default Re: How do you deal with lurkers/freeloaders who are nice but aren't paying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Marina Starr View Post
    There is no right or wrong way to kick/ban.
    I think this is what is truly important.

    You have to balance the loss of a potential sale to the price you have to pay per interaction to your mental health.

    Mathematically if you ban/kick more people than someone else then you are probably losing sales but if being forced to deal with the people who you ban/kick causes you burn out because it is so mentally draining to you then you will end up losing more money from the interaction than gaining from it.

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    Default Re: How do you deal with lurkers/freeloaders who are nice but aren't paying?

    Also.....I think it is an important point to clarify a lurker with a freeloader.

    I allow lurkers to stay in my room because they aren't saying anything and are essentially window shopping. If you aren't demanding my energy or attention then allowing you to lurk me is worth tolerating on the chance of a future sale.

    I never tolerate freeloaders. I don't chit chat. In fact, it is actually rare I ever speak in voice in my free chat. If guys are typing away to me.....I just don't answer. I have faith in the knowledge that they are not stupid and that they are just playing stupid. They know the score, they know it is pay for play.

    What they are getting off on is being that 'special unique snowflake' that isn't required to pay to get my attention. They always act like 5 year olds when I take my attention away and will try every trick in the book to get me to interact with them until they wear themselves out. At that point they are left with two choices, to either pay or leave.

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    Default Re: How do you deal with lurkers/freeloaders who are nice but aren't paying?

    That's me! Men will take advantage and treat you anyway you allow them to. I can't tell you how many times I've kicked them out only for them to come back and take me pvt/exclusive right away. If I didn't kick then we would still be in free chat for God only knows how long.
    Quote Originally Posted by cherryblossomsinspring View Post
    The main reason some guys never spend in one model's room yet stay there more but will go into another model's room and spend like crazy but not stick around?? She doesn't allow him to stay unless he's spending. She's made it so that she ignores him until he spends.
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    Default Re: How do you deal with lurkers/freeloaders who are nice but aren't paying?

    This should be a sticky, very useful to new models. I had a situation I wasn't sure how to handle, and this thread gave me some ideas. My chatroom was totally dead, and I had this guy hang out for a while chatting. He didn't ask for any free flashes, and he wasn't talking dirty. He actually typed complete words and sentences LOL, imagine that. I think this guy was actually typing with 2 hands LOL.


    But I started to think maybe I was still giving too much away for free. So I think from now on.... maybe I'll just greet them.... and respond if they ask me a question..... as long as they don't ask a million questions... or it isn't dirty talk. Not be quite as chatty with them. I'm hoping this guy will come back sometime and buy a show. He was different than a lot of the guys I've had in my room so far.
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    This should be a sticky, very useful to new models. I had a situation I wasn't sure how to handle, and this thread gave me some ideas. My chatroom was totally dead, and I had this guy hang out for a while chatting. He didn't ask for any free flashes, and he wasn't talking dirty. He actually typed complete words and sentences LOL, imagine that. I think this guy was actually typing with 2 hands LOL.


    But I started to think maybe I was still giving too much away for free. So I think from now on.... maybe I'll just greet them.... and respond if they ask me a question..... as long as they don't ask a million questions... or it isn't dirty talk. Not be quite as chatty with them. I'm hoping this guy will come back sometime and buy a show. He was different than a lot of the guys I've had in my room so far.
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    Default Re: How do you deal with lurkers/freeloaders who are nice but aren't paying?

    Quote Originally Posted by GlamourRouge View Post
    "GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY STORE IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BUY ANYTHING!!!!"
    omg. I almost peed laughing so hard HAHAHAAAA of course, you know I'm imagining someone actually doing this, in a store haha
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    Default Re: How do you deal with lurkers/freeloaders who are nice but aren't paying?

    oK so I've gotten worse lol.

    I respond to no one. The funny thing is people typed like crazy in my room and when you look back at it all you see a wall of dumb questions. I even see things in a language I don't even speak lol.

    I ignore them all. Some guy tipped and that's when I spoke to him with "ohh hey how are you" lol. Guys in my room were like wtf? I said hi over an hour ago. That member took me to a nice 30 minute private and I had more voyeurs watching than I've ever had on the site.

    I think I'm sticking to this routine. Ignore them all and only address the person that does tip.

    It's funny because I have so much energy now. I could probably hang out on cam for another 10 hours. Ok well not really I do need to sleep at some point. Still this is great.

    This is my chat over the last 30 mins

    ali011280022: hi
    fl364E968975: hi
    fl364E968975: am asain
    fl364E968975: hw u doing bb
    fl931K05: hi sexy
    1wuquele36bb: hi how r u
    1wuquele36bb: i see you in fetish, what fetishes u do bb
    Hyant765: private?
    fl511J197040: ?
    yodaddy304 : hello beautiful
    fl264Q78491: hello sexy
    fl992W67: hi bb
    fl992W67: how are u
    fl308Z5: OLLA AMOR
    fl308Z5: E COMETIDO ERRORES EN MI VIDA
    fl308Z5: POR NO VALOA
    fl308Z5: POR NO VALORAR LO KE TENIA
    fl308Z5: OR NO ACERLE CASO A MI CORAZON
    fl308Z5: SOLO MENTIA SIN SABER KE LA AMABA
    fl430D0: hi
    fl434W05: hi
    fl434W05: u like my cock
    fl430D0: Ilike women, who can fuck man anyway

    ^ Apparently that last guy didn't like to be ignored. Ohh well I'm not there to entain people that have no money to spend.

    Also the guys that go "private?" I will never respond to them. It's clear in my topic that I'm open for privates so there is no need to confirm. That's he way to get in and start with the 100 questions. If he wants to go private he will.

    Now the guy that took me private did the same at first then he tipped something and I responded and he then asked if I would be up for a private. Those types I will respond to. He's already shown me he's willing to spend something even if it's small. This may not be all that great for everyone because some models bank when they talk to all members. I personally just don't have it in me to hope and see. Could I be missing out on money? Perhaps yes I may. Still I so need to conserve energy right now.

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    Default Re: How do you deal with lurkers/freeloaders who are nice but aren't paying?

    I must admit, I have kicked and banned way more guys than I used to. Probably because for me, camming has changed, and I was always used to mostly people talking, saying hello, and then zapping me right away into prvt.
    I'm re-thinking this now. Other than the abusive, or perverted guys,(who will always be banned), I have had a couple of experiences this past week that makes me now not want to kick, or ban.
    The first one came when I was in the last hour of a double shift a couple of days ago. A new guy enters chat with the same lines--"Oh, Wow! You're so fine! But Your rate is too high. Do You get to set Your own rates?".. And on, and on with his chatting taking up my chat space. At this point I kicked him.
    He came right back with a-' I'm sorry'- took me to a long prvt., He then came back into free chat to say how great the prvt. was, and to tell every guy in my room, that they are missing out if they don't take me prvt. He even sent $10 gold after the show.
    Yesterday at the end of my long shift, a guy was in my free chat all day, and never said hello. Just as I told him that I'm going to ban him, because he's never even said hello the entire day, had my finger on ban button, he took me prvt.
    I'm just going to wait and see from now on. It won't hurt to let them sit there. I don't show anything in free chat anyway!

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    Default Re: How do you deal with lurkers/freeloaders who are nice but aren't paying?

    If its a free chat site I will kick you out if you dont speak to me after several attemps.......if its a token base site I let everyone stay.....

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    The only time I ban people from my room is if they are being super rude and talking shit to me/It's another model being obviously rude and jealous.. When it comes to lurkers I don't really care, I like having a high room count lol. Same with people who are just chatting and not really paying, sometimes if I'm doing a GS count down and they are like "hey guys tip her she's awesome!!" and he hasn't tipped then yeah I'll call him out. But most of the time if they're just chatting and not taking me to private then I like to contribute to the conversation, keeps my room lively so I'm not just sitting there. It always entices the paying custies to come out and either tip or take me to pvt/excl because they realize how fun I am.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Glamourmilf View Post
    I must admit, I have kicked and banned way more guys than I used to. Probably because for me, camming has changed, and I was always used to mostly people talking, saying hello, and then zapping me right away into prvt.
    I'm re-thinking this now. Other than the abusive, or perverted guys,(who will always be banned), I have had a couple of experiences this past week that makes me now not want to kick, or ban.
    The first one came when I was in the last hour of a double shift a couple of days ago. A new guy enters chat with the same lines--"Oh, Wow! You're so fine! But Your rate is too high. Do You get to set Your own rates?".. And on, and on with his chatting taking up my chat space. At this point I kicked him.
    He came right back with a-' I'm sorry'- took me to a long prvt., He then came back into free chat to say how great the prvt. was, and to tell every guy in my room, that they are missing out if they don't take me prvt. He even sent $10 gold after the show.
    Yesterday at the end of my long shift, a guy was in my free chat all day, and never said hello. Just as I told him that I'm going to ban him, because he's never even said hello the entire day, had my finger on ban button, he took me prvt.
    I'm just going to wait and see from now on. It won't hurt to let them sit there. I don't show anything in free chat anyway!

    Wow remember the old days haha a member would take you private to save you from the guy that was talking up a storm. I so miss that.

    I just had another private for 22 mins and it was great. Usually this is my best voyeur but lately the poor guy can't even go to voyeur anymore. Since guys haven't been hitting the private button he's now taking it upon himself to take me private. Love that guy!! hehe $152 thanks to those two guys!

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    Default Re: How do you deal with lurkers/freeloaders who are nice but aren't paying?

    I typically don't ban unless they are being rude or being annoying. I've had plenty of guys that gave good conversation but just didn't have money to spend that day come back another day and go private, so you never know.

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    Default Re: How do you deal with lurkers/freeloaders who are nice but aren't paying?

    You girls that say the only time you ban is when people are rude or demanding...what about the guys who are sweet as shit but straight up tell you they won't pay for a show? I always ban those losers as well...no matter how long they've been my "free chat buddy".

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    NOT me, I don't do sweet but I know a lot of girls will tolerate and accommodate that shit! I could give two fucks how sweet they are, if they are poor I ban them!
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    You girls that say the only time you ban is when people are rude or demanding...what about the guys who are sweet as shit but straight up tell you they won't pay for a show? I always ban those losers as well...no matter how long they've been my "free chat buddy".
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    Quote Originally Posted by ABigNerd View Post
    I have other models do this in my room all of the time My friends and I like to be each others cheerleaders when we're getting ready or just have time to kill. I actually think it helps, and it's always good to have allies in our line of work.

    I kick all of the time, but I rarely ban. I don't even ban the beggars. I've banned one 30 second peeker, and the rest were all just people who dragged me down. I have no idea why people who love bad news are drawn to me, but it drives me crazy. I swear the second there's some disaster in any corner of the world, they're there to inform me.
    Those are typically the 60 year old+ Doom and Gloom guys. I used to get this one old guy that would bring up the most depressing shit in my room. His attempt was to sour the room's mood and chase off traffic so he didn't have to spend to have my undivided attention. After I figured out his M.O. of seeking pity I started ignoring him ,blocking him or straight just calling him out about it. One of my regs at the time used to laugh his ass off. So now he doesn't show up anymore. I got everything from " my friend is dying from cancer to oooh did you hear about " insert any well known tragedy". Since I only talk now when someone spends, guys like that can't even get a leg in. Still I used to want to stab that guy through the computer knowing that a good portion of my spending traffic was going to flee immediately. Any tragic news is a boner killer. Even guys that wanted to take me private didn't because they felt sorry for the guy. Still on other occasions I just squeezed him with " wow no one wants to hear about any of that , they aren't here to listen to your sad stories, go private and we'll talk there". $$$$ It worked about 70% of the time.

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    I don't cam but as a Stripper men pay for my time (ususally in the form of a lapdance). My time is precious so if you want to use it then respect it and compensate.

    So I wouldn't kick them out but they wouldn't get attention either. At some point of time I would expect a tip from them though, it would depend on whether I was doing anything 'entertaining'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cherryblossomsinspring View Post
    Those are typically the 60 year old+ Doom and Gloom guys. I used to get this one old guy that would bring up the most depressing shit in my room. His attempt was to sour the room's mood and chase off traffic so he didn't have to spend to have my undivided attention. After I figured out his M.O. of seeking pity I started ignoring him ,blocking him or straight just calling him out about it. One of my regs at the time used to laugh his ass off. So now he doesn't show up anymore. I got everything from " my friend is dying from cancer to oooh did you hear about " insert any well known tragedy". Since I only talk now when someone spends, guys like that can't even get a leg in. Still I used to want to stab that guy through the computer knowing that a good portion of my spending traffic was going to flee immediately. Any tragic news is a boner killer. Even guys that wanted to take me private didn't because they felt sorry for the guy. Still on other occasions I just squeezed him with " wow no one wants to hear about any of that , they aren't here to listen to your sad stories, go private and we'll talk there". $$$$ It worked about 70% of the time.
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    I had one yesterday that would not leave me alone. Even after I told him that if he wants my FULL attention, go PVT or EXC...he kept sayign how lonely he was, how he wanted a friend, would I be his friend on FB, etc... I was like NO and I'm not meeting you either so stop asking. He eventually thanks me for letting him get off and I don't show anything in free chat so not sure what he was beating to..maybe the fact that I was talking to him??? He got banned.


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    Default Re: How do you deal with lurkers/freeloaders who are nice but aren't paying?

    Quote Originally Posted by Flickdreams View Post
    I don't cam but as a Stripper men pay for my time (ususally in the form of a lapdance). My time is precious so if you want to use it then respect it and compensate.

    So I wouldn't kick them out but they wouldn't get attention either. At some point of time I would expect a tip from them though, it would depend on whether I was doing anything 'entertaining'.
    I really appreciate you posting your opinion on this issue! I am always fascinated at the similarities and the differences in each industry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SoloDesire View Post
    You girls that say the only time you ban is when people are rude or demanding...what about the guys who are sweet as shit but straight up tell you they won't pay for a show? I always ban those losers as well...no matter how long they've been my "free chat buddy".
    Depends what site we are talking about. If you are talking about Streamate then yes I will ban. If we are talking about MFC then 'free chat buddies' are par for the course.

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    Default Re: How do you deal with lurkers/freeloaders who are nice but aren't paying?

    MGF is particularly challenging for freeloaders.

    I am really not talented at pushing my content or cam shows. Some girls are great at it because they do the perfedt amount of flirty attitude to get them going in free chat, then mention a video pertaining to the guys interests.

    I don't do that. I don't give them any jerk off material via.text because I KNOW they'll look at my profile photos while im talking.

    I see profile lurkers as the equivalents to a free loader.

    They keep looking at my profile, very frequently, but never say hello. I know damn well they are reading my video descriptions and jerking it because some guys are cocky and will tell me they jerked.off "for free" to my profile.

    I message these losers, if they don't message or live chat me within a day or two they get blocked. There is no reason to look at my profile everyday for Weeks and never say anything even in free live chat.

    Profile lurkers are the worst...creeps me out.

    I love blocking people haha.

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    Every girl hustles differently, but I'm actually nice to everyone in my room that is nice to me (mainly on MFC.). Why? Because I've converted people with 0 tokens to 1000 tokens. It doesn't always happen, but it DOES happen.
    And those people who I convert will be a follower of my cam for a long time, because I was the one that made it worthwhile for them to buy tokens.

    In fact, my BIGGEST payer was once a man with 0 tokens.
    In one month, he gave me a total of 17,000 tokens.



    Every girl has different game, just like every camsite has a different hustle.
    I'm not so easy going on streamate because you are required to have a credit card linked up to your account.
    Therefore, every man has the ability to pay you. But most are cheap.

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