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    Dizzy What's the point of VIP?

    Seriously what's the point? I say this because of observation of all the talk on here and irl described by dancers. I know ss when I hear it and making vague illusions to non existant things that can happen in the club is bad. Plus according to you ladies and where I have been, the norm for VIP/CR is around 600 for an hour (i once heard 30 minutes and then that's borderline insane). For that much I can have an hour and a half of dances on the floor couches/chairs (yeah I love math) given that the general lapdance is around 3 minutes songs. Then according to you ladies you guys are VERY restricted. And when I say restricted I mean like, touching the chest is considered extra. So you'll charge extra for that. You'll charge extra for fondling the booty. I have even read something as crazy as you'll charge extra for touching the legs. Naturally you won't let the hands roam towards any holes but touching your vaginal area isn't my cup of tea though. And personally I dont mind lapdances in public but as far as I see, the only thing going for VIP is privacy. These daya I dont go to the strip club without at least a grand dedicated towards the ladies solely but seriously, what are the benifits of a vip session with all these restrictions?

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    You're extrapolating a lot from a handful of posts from dancers scattered across the world. All clubs are different. While VIP may not be "worth it" in one club because you're literally just paying more to get the same dance in a different room, it may be "worth it" in another club because there's no contact in the regular lap dance room but there is in VIP (and not for an extra price on top of the cost of VIP), or you get a bottle included in the price of VIP, or whatever the fuck else. Not all VIPs are created equal, and you've pretty much just picked out the worst features from VIPs around the world and put them together into one that doesn't sound worthwhile and, in all reality, probably doesn't exist. If you're curious about it, go to your local club and ask about it. If you don't want to deal with SS, ask management about it. But asking a forum of international dancers isn't going to give you a relevant answer because the "point" of VIP varies by club.

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    Default Re: What's the point of VIP?

    This is a wonderful site-probably my favorite to participate in. That being said, if you make your clubbing decisions based on what dancers say on the internet you will spend far too much time second guessing your actions and not nearly enough time enjoying yourself. Sometimes I do individual dances, sometimes I do VIP. Sometimes I get more "contact" in the regular dance area than you can get in a particular club's VIP are. Sometimes I enjoy a glass of wine with a dancer in VIP, sometimes it's a whole lot more.

    Strip clubs are to be enjoyed in real time. Maybe I have an advantage because I discovered clubs a long time before the internet, and this site, existed. Be that as it may, this site is what I consider to be, from a customer's perspective, informative entertainment with the emphasis on entertainment.
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    The decision to go VIP comes down to personal preference. I prefer the extra privacy afforded as well as a bottle of champagne for the dancer (I don't drink). As far as high contact goes, I figure that stuff out by being patient and observing how dancers interact with their customers both on stage and on the floor.
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    Quick math on "value proposition". High-end so cal clubs charge $150-$200 per 15 minute vip block, at these locations nude dances are $40 and run ~2.50 in length. Thus, 15/2.5 = 6 6*$40 = 240 so you are coming out ahead right away on a dollar per minute basis, this doesn't include the fact these VIP sections can be far nicer, better couches, fully enclosed rooms and for the type of guy looking for extras (eww) often this is a preferred destination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shanna dior View Post
    Not all VIPs are created equal, and you've pretty much just picked out the worst features from VIPs around the world.
    ^This. They even vary from state to state, city to city. It really depends on your area and your preference as to weather or not they are "worth it". Many customers are willing and happy to pay for a block of time, intimacy, company and privacy. While others prefer a few quick lap dances from different girls. Everyone's idea of "fun" in a SC is different and everyone has a different budget. If you don't enjoy VIP dances then you are not obliged to participate in them. If you have specific questions about VIP's in your area-ask at the club, read reviews to get a better idea of prices and "what you will get" in a VIP dance in your area.
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    Completely depends on the club, but I go more heavily on the VIP and it can be worth every cent. At one of the clubs I go to, I have so little use for the lap dances that I just plain don't do them anymore -- haven't done a lap dance in a year or two there. Luckily, it's a slow-hustle club, so I don't have to rely on a $20 lap dance to gauge how much I like someone, we spend enough time at the table that I know I'm good to go by the time I'm getting that $100 VIP. In theory, the touching isn't supposed to be quite so different between the two, but in practice, the lap dances are tame and the girls take some liberties in the VIPs. Easy decision.

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    estafador, simple in his ways says, not a VIP! Ok but please contribute when you feel?

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    Not yet mentioned, in many clubs VIP exempts the dancer from stage rotation or doing dances elsewhere for anyone else. In a busy club a dancer can go missing really fast. Also, I've worked at clubs that require you to constantly be lap dancing in the dance room. In VIP you can take breaks to chat, drink, massage each other, look at pictures on phones, play games, exchange gifts, watch tv, slow dance... Get the idea? I meet many guys that this make no difference and just want more mileage in VIP, but I meet plenty more that this makes the experience worth the expense. If I sense a guy just wants a better lap dance I'm not gonna risk upsetting him by offering a massage or suggesting a drinking game tho.

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    Default Re: What's the point of VIP?

    in most upscale clubs, the ability to get a private luxurious room vs a chair on wheels in the middle of the crowded floor is already worth the $ in itself.

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    For me...VIP means more privacy for both me and the dancer. At the club I go to...dances are done in an open area directly behind the bar. And the bar can get busy. I can get up from dance area walk a few steps and i can be at the bar...its that close! Last time i got a dance there some creepy man was just at the bar staring at both the dancer and I the whole time. Very uncomfortable and weird.

    With my VIP annual membership...im upstairs away from all that. They have nice comfty seating and it doesnt get all crazy like it does downstairs.

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    Oh my gawd. You're right. There's no point to VIP. Millions and millions of money-savvy, intelligent customers have been tricked for decades into being satisfied. But you've seen the light!

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    Oh my gawd. You're right. There's no point to VIP. Millions and millions of money-savvy, intelligent customers have been tricked for decades into being satisfied. But you've seen the light!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OliveJardin View Post
    ^This. They even vary from state to state, city to city. It really depends on your area and your preference as to weather or not they are "worth it". Many customers are willing and happy to pay for a block of time, intimacy, company and privacy. While others prefer a few quick lap dances from different girls. Everyone's idea of "fun" in a SC is different and everyone has a different budget. If you don't enjoy VIP dances then you are not obliged to participate in them. If you have specific questions about VIP's in your area-ask at the club, read reviews to get a better idea of prices and "what you will get" in a VIP dance in your area.
    Estafador, this. ^

    You are basing your experiences primarily upon a discreet number of clubs in NYC. Not only do cities differ, but even within a given city, experiences often vary dramatically from club to club, with each one setting its own tolerance limits, and from girl to girl, depending upon each dancer's boundaries. The only way to know is to go.

    Now having said all of that, I will agree that NYC is a horrible place to look for a value VIP option. Even if you find whatever you are seeking, it will cost you a lot of money. I visit VIP rooms in certain areas, but generally not in NYC.

    In any event, good luck.

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    Am I the only one who's massively depressed that this industry is turning into a "value" industry instead of a "luxury" industry?

    If you don't like the prices, don't want to buy the expensive dances/VIPs, and are watching your wallet, then stay out of the club. I'm not trying to be an ass, but it's just true. Strip clubs are not supposed to be affordable for people. This is not clean, family fun. This is not an Asian buffet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    Am I the only one who's massively depressed that this industry is turning into a "value" industry instead of a "luxury" industry?

    If you don't like the prices, don't want to buy the expensive dances/VIPs, and are watching your wallet, then stay out of the club. I'm not trying to be an ass, but it's just true. Strip clubs are not supposed to be affordable for people. This is not clean, family fun. This is not an Asian buffet.
    thank you!!! its called vip for a reason!!!

    the craziest thing about vegas strip clubs is that our major competition is the major nightclubs that are a million times more expensive. the tables there start at 1k but thats for a shitty table at a shitty club, decent tables are $5-10k and the best are 25k min I think (im sure during events those tables go for more tho). yet somehow $600 for a much nicer room, music theyll actually enjoy, and a hot half naked girl getting all close and personal is the most obscene thing to them about vegas. what??

    but thats beside the point almost, vip is vip and those who cant handle the reality that they don't belong in some clubs should stay out. I don't hang around lambourgini shops and scoff at all of the people who are getting suckered in or sit inside gucci amd act bewildered everytime someone buys a purse. having a hot naked girl entertain you in a private room is the most luxurious thing I can think of yet its somehow become a flea market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlotte. View Post
    thank you!!! its called vip for a reason!!!

    the craziest thing about vegas strip clubs is that our major competition is the major nightclubs that are a million times more expensive. the tables there start at 1k but thats for a shitty table at a shitty club, decent tables are $5-10k and the best are 25k min I think (im sure during events those tables go for more tho). yet somehow $600 for a much nicer room, music theyll actually enjoy, and a hot half naked girl getting all close and personal is the most obscene thing to them about vegas. what??

    but thats beside the point almost, vip is vip and those who cant handle the reality that they don't belong in some clubs should stay out. I don't hang around lambourgini shops and scoff at all of the people who are getting suckered in or sit inside gucci amd act bewildered everytime someone buys a purse. having a hot naked girl entertain you in a private room is the most luxurious thing I can think of yet its somehow become a flea market.
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    In some ways, I'm the type of customer you're looking for: I do almost only VIPs, if I'm not going to dance with you I'll tell you respectfully but directly right away, etc.

    But not sure about the luxury thing... although it's not my thing at all, I don't see why you'd have problems with, say, guys who only sit at the tip rail, tipping a few dollars per song, and having fun. Good for them, even if they don't have much money, they still managed to have lots of fun at the strip club, and hopefully added some energy and tips to everyone dancing on stage. Always happy to have them there, especially since they're adding energy to the place without competing with me for my favorite girl. It's my clear impression that most strippers enjoy what those guys bring to the table, too, as long as they're tipping -- better than having an empty tip rail. That is definitely not lambourgini or gucci behavior though.

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    I probably should have figured that using the word "value" in front of "VIP" might trigger a comment or two.

    I don't begrudge anyone who wishes to spend $600 (really much more after all of the expected tips) for a trip to a VIP room. Indeed, all power to him and for some guys that is inconsequential spending. But I think that some perspective is in order. I club in a lot of places and IME there are only a small handful of locales where clubs could even attempt to charge those types of rates and expect to make sales. And as many around here know better than I, it is no small feat to sell rooms at those prices anywhere, including Manhattan.

    Let's also be clear-eyed about the notion of what these guys think that they are buying for that kind of money. For every guy who truly believes that he is buying "luxury time" with a "hot naked girl" there is another who believes that he is purchasing that plus a bit more, an expectation which is often met in some form or another. And the ratio of hounds to luxury purchasers is probably higher than I am crediting here. Even for guys with deep pockets, it is hard for many of them to fathom spending that kind of money, or even more as the hourly VIP rates in some Manhattan clubs are even higher, for an hour of cuddling and great conversation.

    Anyway, just my fwiw.
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    ^^thats fair for dives but I consider upscale clubs in cities like nyc, chicago, and lv to be the top of the top and people really should self filter before they walk in. nobody goes to cut, sees a menu, tells the waitress that wolfgang puck would make a lot more $ if he lowered the prices, and then bounces after ordering nothing. a steak is a steak but once in while some people want the luxury experience so why should they get upset when their bill at cut is over a g?

    also I think it may be hard for you to imagine spending that kind of money because I am assuming you go to strip clubs often (since you post on a stripper board). almost all of my customers that spend more than $500 (or even $100 tbh) tell me that they rarely go to sc, its always somewhere between "its my first time" and "I go about twice a year." spending 2k in a night is no biggie for the middle class if its a special occasion.

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    Charlotte,

    I think your Cut example kind of shows where the metaphor breaks down. Cut would be comparable to a strip club, if there was (say) a bar area where you could order $10 tapas, and the restaurant seemed thrilled to have people spend their money there, and some customers liked to go there to just get a few tapas plates and enjoy the atmosphere. They're partaking of what the restaurant is clearly offering. There's a thrill to being in a high-end club, watching high-end girls do their thing onstage, and the nice thing is, if a guy only has $75 in his pocket, there's a place the club has specifically set up, where he can sit, appreciate the girls, tip them enough that they'll appreciate him back a bit. It would seem kind of elitist if I told that guy that he can't spend as much as me, so he shouldn't be there.

    Anyway, just a different point of view, I suppose... to me, if they're in the club, any club, and all they want to do is sit at the stage, as long as they tip, they have just as much right to be there.

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    Most important thing from the customer's point of view is to find a dancer whom you like to buy dances from and who is comfortable with you. (Notice, I didn't say "likes" you-- this is a business transaction, after all!)

    I have found that if you find such a dancer, a VIP room is more of what you like. The dancer makes more money, you have more time with her, (depending on the club) you may get closer contact.

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    But not sure about the luxury thing... although it's not my thing at all, I don't see why you'd have problems with, say, guys who only sit at the tip rail, tipping a few dollars per song, and having fun. Good for them, even if they don't have much money, they still managed to have lots of fun at the strip club, and hopefully added some energy and tips to everyone dancing on stage. Always happy to have them there, especially since they're adding energy to the place without competing with me for my favorite girl. It's my clear impression that most strippers enjoy what those guys bring to the table, too, as long as they're tipping -- better than having an empty tip rail. That is definitely not lambourgini or gucci behavior though.
    I think I actually agree with you. As long as men walk into the SC with money to spend and leave after spending their money, I'm cool with it (even if they're just tipping on stage and don't buy dances).

    The issue I have is with men who complain about the expensive pricing structure of clubs. If you can only afford to buy one dance, that's 100% fine; just don't complain about how expensive it is. And if you can't afford it or don't want to spend your money on an hour-long VIP in NYC that costs $2k, that's 100% fine; just don't complain about the expense and act disgusted that the price is 'worth it' for other men.

    It's the complainers and the freeloaders that kill me. If you don't want to spend your money on this type of entertainment or don't see the value in it, then stay the fuck home!

    Let's take me for an example. I will probably never go to a strip club as a customer, because I would be a nightmare customer (and not just because of the asexual thing). I'm crazy-frugal and would spend every second of a $600 champagne room worrying about the money and being disappointed by the entire experience. I'd overthink every dollar spent at the tip rail, and the thought of paying $20 for a few minutes of a dancer's time frankly makes me ill. I am the type of customer who should stay the fuck home...so I do!

    To be clear, I'm not attacking anyone in this thread. The decline of this industry isn't any single person's fault, and individual customers don't have the power to change it back into a luxury experience (i.e. not a sports bar, and not a discount therapy lounge, but a place you vist occasionally and only when your funds permit). It's just sad to see. Because as the prices go down, quality goes down, too. True entertainers continue to stop working because the money isn't worth it anymore. "Value" feels good to customers in the short-term, but in the long term, it spells disaster for true entertainment. And sadly, many customers will never experience what it means to be so entertained by a stripper that they forget to ask her questions like "but what are you gonna do for this money?" "What am I gonna get if I buy a dance?"

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