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    Let me REintroduce myself lol. My name is Kili. I had an account on SW about a year ago when I was doing webcam work, but I stopped shortly afterwards. My appreciation for all of you ladies that can work that hustle is immense!
    Background...may want to skip lol
    Anyway, after a year of college and a lot of consideration, I decided to venture back into the adult industry as an escort. I've only been at it for a month, but I've been researching as much as possible. I also want to thank you ladies for all the advice you've provided from screening to improving one's "image". It's been more helpful than words can explain.
    To try and keep this fairly short, since embarking upon this new career, I've had a few problems...though none that have been serious. I'm sure there were all attributed to my horrible advertising mistake; I used backpage against my better judgement, and though I had no trouble attracting clients, it's been quite a challenge to find customers willing to pay over $100/hr lol....but it is Backpage we're talking about. I ended up running a few "new client" specials, and actually got a few regulars (out of the hundred or so that I rejected for various reasons) so I can't say it was a total loss.
    I know the key to attracting men of a certain caliber is how you market yourself, which will eventually lead to me placing an ad on Eros and getting some professional pictures taken.
    GOOD PART!
    Here's where it gets interesting... to me at least. About a week before I decided I wanted to escort exclusively, I answered an advertisement for a private party stripper agency. For some reason, they've JUST responded and seem very eager to hire me Now, this particular company OPENLY advertises itself as one that offers girls that "get down" and "provide a hands on experience." (Interestingly enough, the girls that do are marked on the website and its quite a few of them that offer this service.) Of course, after I disclosed that I escort as well, he assured me that I would be booked for almost every party (appx. 2-3 a week) for the simple fact that I'm pretty and I escort. Now, besides the extra money to be made, I decided this would be a good business opportunity because the company claims to cater to upscale gentleman for their parties...no ghetto places basically. They also pay the girls upfront to show up and they keep EVERYTHING they make...no tip outs.
    As far as escorting goes...well he says guys will specifically request girls that offer extra if that's what they want for their party. I saw this as being a bit better for the dancers that didn't offer that since they probably wouldn't be booked for that party thus less chance of anyone being upset at the end of the night. Its been my knowledge that ITC extras are frowned upon and for good reason if I do say so myself. (Though this could arguably be grouped into the same category lol.) Back to business though. If I were to go with this company as a provider, I would still charge the same rate I do now (300-400/hr) and maybe more depending on what's being requested ie girl/girl, 2 guys, etc. My main reasoning behind this would be to ultimately attract clients for myself without lowering my rates.
    So...my questions...finally
    Do you think this is feasible? Its almost guaranteed that I'll have clients at the party, but do you think it's likely they'll want a session outside of that scene?
    Would this be potentially harmful to dancers that don't offer extras? I've read multiple posts on this, and as I stated before, I agree with ITC extra girls being a problem, but I'm trying to figure out of this will hurt anyone....especially since the majority of the dancers would probably be selected specifically on their willingness engage in sexual acts. Any insight would be greatly appreciated and considered!! The last thing I want to do is hurt business for others.
    I had more questions when I started this post, but I forget lol. Thank you all again for helping me this far!!!
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    Oh and forgive me if this has already been covered. I know how to use the search function and I've poured over many threads, but none have really answered my question in regards to my situation. If you do know of a thread, I apologize in advance and would be ECSTATIC if you could give me a nudge in the right direction
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    While your whole thought process sounds logical, the part can get you is that if guys are requesting dancers the do 'extras'. Discussing sex acts for money is the definition needed for a prostitution arrest.

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    Thank you for replying!! You're exactly right! I had given that some thought as well, and discussed it with him a bit. He says he does his own bit of screening...I suppose he meant he wouldn't intentionally book a party with cops. I also discussed the part about the girls that offer extras being marked on the website, but he said the clients don't know that means they offer extras (which I highly doubt lol). He said they think it means they're "top earners." He claims to say that he tells the customers that he has girls that HAVE gotten a bit loose at the parties, but never guarantees sex from them...I suppose this part kind of covers his ass, but I'm sure we'd be arrested if we went to town on some undercover cop after talking about money. In fact, I'm not sure how the other girls actually accept payment....like, if they discuss a price and then do it or if they just get heavily "tipped" afterwards. Now, they've been in business for 4 years and have never had a bust so I'm not sure if it's just luck, but I'm definitely going to see about figuring out a way to keep ME out of jail. Maybr just seeing guys out of that setting and still screening them myself....hmm Thanks for the food for thought!!
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    Oh no! Lol he doesn't get half of my ANYTHING! Well, I'm pretty sure he takes a nice bit of the "dancers fee" but that's money I never see anyway...it's paid upfront. The dancers get paid to show up, and keep all of whatever they make. I'm an independent escort in my own sense, but wanted to do this to recruit clients. I figured working for an agency and recruiting their clients would be a bit wrong, if not hard since I doubt they'd think highly of my seeing them "outside of the agency" and their 50% cut lol. But I understand what you're saying!! Nobody in their right mind wants to go to jail over someone else's mistake which is why I may still dance for him, but just offer my business card for the actual escort work. Either way I'd get to keep the money, but at least I'd have the luxury of screening them on my own. BTW, I love your signature!!! Lmao!
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    If you get booked with another girl I would certainly ask her first before i assumed what she was willing to offer - Just out of respect and to avoid potential problems - and there is no way to "screen" an entire party - I have done many parties for cops - they are usually the worst behaved - in my experience - i only know of one incident that the cops used a party as a sting and that was 17 or 18 years ago - but screening each guest does not happen - also - does this agency have a problem with you soliciting their customers?? - most do not tolerate it and you could lose your job with them - I have done parties for one of the national party agencies and they promoted to the customers a flat rate and it was a challenge to get additional money over top of the initial fee - and the many of the parties were out in BFE and were not worth the extra travel time -you can pm me if you want to share the name of the company - over all it was ok but I did better with my local agency to be honest

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    Double post
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    Thank you for the reply!!
    I actually read a post...or a reply about that. I think you were the one that stated it as well lol (ill-behaved cops). And you're exactly right about the screening. There is no way to do that... I think he meant just getting the information of whoever was booking the party. I think they mostly handle bachelor parties and things of that sort where most of the guys know each other so I suppose that alleviates some of the chance that they'll intentionally hire prostitutes if brother John is a deacon or Sergeant Ellis is going to be there....but I could be wrong If THEY weren't undercover cops as well, couldnt they be arrested for solicitation along with the girl?

    They do send out girls for club-type parties, but I'm sure they're not offering sex in the corner. These customers would probably be seen out of the club where a girl could screen if she chose to do so. But for the most part, I think its bachelor, frat-party type deals. Not completely safe, but better than doing extras ITC...at least down here in Atlanta where cops are HEAVY!
    And I haven't really discussed using his business to attract clients OUTSIDE of the party, but I can't see how it'd be a problem. We're offering two different things. He's essentially selling parties while I'm selling "companionship." I don't think he'd be losing any money either since he doesnt take a cut of what the girls make at the party anyway. Idk...maybe someone can shed some light on this.
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    pretty much an agency standard that you do not give out your phone to that agencies customers- the next time they need a party they may call you and not them - that is how they will see it - they may not care but most do

    and not all party girls are prostitutes - some are but most are not - so please check with any ladies you work with so you dont put them in a bad situation

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    Good information! I'll be sure to check!
    And MOST DEFINITELY! I'll check with the girls to make sure. I would hate to have any kind of conflict. Thank you again!
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    This doesn't sound like a good idea. You say you'll charge your same rate per hour as escorting, but you're not seeing one guy here - you're seeing an entire party. So you're only charging 300-400 an hour to basically offer extras to an entire party? I mean, I know the argument is it's "time for money", so technically, charging per person makes it more blatantly prostitution, but you're going into this already admitting that your prices are for sexual services. If that's the case, I wouldn't be charging an entire party the same rate I'd charge an individual client (even if you're "expecting" tips afterward from each guy - drunk, entitled idiots aren't going to voluntarily give you your worth 80% of the time).

    And as others have said, there's no way to screen an entire party. There's more concerned with safety and verifying appropriate clients than just making sure they're not cops. Sure, the guy throwing the party could be a perfectly fine guy, but a few of his friends could not be. And in a crazy drunken party situation, where his friends are pushing your boundaries, being unsafe, possibly even trying to steal from you, even the good guys aren't gonna rush to your defense. Those are their bros and you are the ho. No one is going to stand up for you if things go badly. It's scary enough to be in a bad situation with one guy you don't know - I can't even fathom being in the midst of a crazy party where the guys know you are there to provide them favors...
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    Another thing: The host is probably usually going to be the one paying for entertainment. Maybe if it's a bachelor party, it'll be split amongst a few friends. But most of the guys there probably didn't pay anything for you to be there, aside from the tips they'll be throwing you. Do you honestly expect to convert these guys into 300/hr one-on-one clients? Even the guys who paid for you to be there - there's a difference between hiring an escort for your personal time and fulfillment and hiring a "party escort" to service all your friends for a special occasion. Just cuz they dropped that much on you for a fun night with their pals, doesn't mean they're going to be typical escort clients who will want to spend that much just for themselves to see you outside of the night of the party.
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    Yuck. I would never work for an escort agency that talks the way this GUY does. I don't think you will be safe. You will be carted off to anyone who is going to pay him his money.

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    I was a private party dancer for over 10 years and this whole issue pisses me off to no end. Let me stress I have no issues with escorts at all and feel we are providing a different service. However, no I don't want women providing services at parties I am also dancing at because many men will think I provide that as well. I have done parties where there were escorts but they didn't dance and came into the party when I was leaving or about to. This to me is different than dancing than providing. I actually did a party when I first started where this was going on and the men thought I provided as well and were cheap because I didn't.

    This sounds like a scam and bad news. From talking to dancers who provided extras at parties (and most apparently were not escorting)the amount paid for extras is far less than making money as an escort. Some were making only a little more than I was making doing dances. I also know a few of them were busted at parties.

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    Thank you girls for answering! Like I said, I'm taking everything in...also thank you for not being blatantly rude.
    Okay...I'm an escort first and a dancer second...this I refuse to forget. I wouldn't be charging a $300/hr rate for an entire party unless I had a death wish as I'm pretty sure that could turn into a gang rape -umm no. It would be a $300 MINIMUM to see ONE guy for however long he lasts. That's how I see my actual clients anyway. I don't offer 30 minute sessions so I'm definitely not going under that. And like I said before, I don't think I'm going to offer my services at the actual party...instead, I'm going to give them my card so they can see me afterwards if they wish...that way, I can screen each INDIVIDUAL myself. Dancing is simply a way to attract them.

    And Aurora, I understand where you're coming from. I'm not trying to turn every one of the guys into my own clients, but if I can get ONE client from a party that I'm being paid to be at...well that's good advertising to me.

    And as far as seeing the guys would go...well I've never been one to fuck in a corner for $30 so I'm not going to start now. I'm sure there will be girls offering individually priced extras there, but my rate will be SIGNIFICANTLY higher so I doubt anyone will even be able to afford to see me at that moment...which doesn't bother me at all. IF, by some odd chance, a guy has the money, I'd happily offer to leave the see him in a different location that ISN'T at the party...so if there are clean dancers there, I'd only be taking away one guy instead of 10 for $300 (I literally choked when I read that lol).

    And the guy that runs the business wouldn't be my pimp (regardless of his relationship with the other girls). I told him I see who I want to see and for the amount I want. He doesn't charge extra for extras dancers lol. They're all priced the same, its just a customer preference.

    And I'm sorry this offends you or anyone else Kelly, but as I said before, these men KNOW what they want and they're paying just like anyone else to get it. If they want a girl to gangbang, I'm sure they'll hire one and if she wants to do it, that's her. I'm sure she won't care who it bothers either. What I'm saying is that's not how I run business. This isn't a club where its "luck of the draw" to find an extras girl. They're HAND-PICKED so these men are basically hiring prostitutes to dance then have sex. Now how that all goes down, idk, nor is it any concern of mine. If a girl is sucking in the corner, and I'm making money dancing then yay for both of us. If I'm not, and I see that I've exhausted my search for future clients, then it hasn't cost me anything. I do apologize because I think I worded my original post wrong. I'm not offering ANYTHING BUT DANCING in the context of the party setting, but I will be marketing myself DURING the party because that's what I originally set out to do. Again, I doubt many -if any guys will actually leave their friends and all the rest of the fun just to have sex when they can do that anytime, but if they want to, I'd be willing to take that one guy and leave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aurora_Sunset View Post
    Another thing: The host is probably usually going to be the one paying for entertainment. Maybe if it's a bachelor party, it'll be split amongst a few friends. But most of the guys there probably didn't pay anything for you to be there, aside from the tips they'll be throwing you. Do you honestly expect to convert these guys into 300/hr one-on-one clients? Even the guys who paid for you to be there - there's a difference between hiring an escort for your personal time and fulfillment and hiring a "party escort" to service all your friends for a special occasion. Just cuz they dropped that much on you for a fun night with their pals, doesn't mean they're going to be typical escort clients who will want to spend that much just for themselves to see you outside of the night of the party.
    This I understand, but it can't hurt to try especially since I'm getting paid to be there anyway.
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    With all the helpful tips and comments you girls have made, I'm wondering now if it would be best to tell him to market me as a dancer without any extras since the sheer mention of the word incites confusion and the last thing I want is a room full of drunken guys shouting "I thought you were down to fuck!" Ugh.
    I'm just not sure it that would be smart since I still want to market the escorting, and that could pose a problem if none of the other dancers are offering that. No need for an unnecessary cat fight.
    Any help here?
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    And I'm sorry this offends you or anyone else Kelly, but as I said before, these men KNOW what they want and they're paying just like anyone else to get it. If they want a girl to gangbang, I'm sure they'll hire one and if she wants to do it, that's her. I'm sure she won't care who it bothers either. What I'm saying is that's not how I run business. This isn't a club where its "luck of the draw" to find an extras girl. They're HAND-PICKED so these men are basically hiring prostitutes to dance then have sex. Now how that all goes down, idk, nor is it any concern of mine. If a girl is sucking in the corner, and I'm making money dancing then yay for both of us. If I'm not, and I see that I've exhausted my search for future clients, then it hasn't cost me anything. I do apologize because I think I worded my original post wrong. I'm not offering ANYTHING BUT DANCING in the context of the party setting, but I will be marketing myself DURING the party because that's what I originally set out to do. Again, I doubt many -if any guys will actually leave their friends and all the rest of the fun just to have sex when they can do that anytime, but if they want to, I'd be willing to take that one guy and leave.
    Sure they can hire whomever they want but these men at parties who tend to want prostitutes generally don't want strippers. Most of my clients were upscale and this issue rarely came up because I didn't dance for cheap fucks. I'm not sure what you mean about bothering dancers because if this was going on I would leave the party immediately, which is why I left the one party where it was going on. I think more highly of myself than to offer $20 blow jobs or $50 fucks at a party, as was happening.

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    The average age of men for their first marraige is 28. The average household income for 25 - 34 years olds is around 50k, which is why several of them have to throw in together in order to plan a bachelor party. Most just go to a strip club because they can't afford to do more.

    Most guys making 50k a year can't afford $300/hr escorts. Most 28 year old men don't book escorts anyway.

    The average client who books $300/hr escorts is 35 - 65 years old and makes quite a bit more than 50k.

    Marketing to bachelor party attendees sounds like a fantastic waste of time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obenta View Post
    The average age of men for their first marraige is 28. The average household income for 25 - 34 years olds is around 50k, which is why several of them have to throw in together in order to plan a bachelor party. Most just go to a strip club because they can't afford to do more.

    Most guys making 50k a year can't afford $300/hr escorts. Most 28 year old men don't book escorts anyway.

    The average client who books $300/hr escorts is 35 - 65 years old and makes quite a bit more than 50k.

    Marketing to bachelor party attendees sounds like a fantastic waste of time.
    Aaah but a fantastic waste of paid time lol. Even if I get NO ONE, I'll still have made something from dancing at least. In any case, I am still going to do the parties, but I will have to get creative with the marketing part. I suppose that's my dilemma now, but thanks to you all, I've made a better decision THANKS TO EVERYONE THAT RESPONDED NON-JUDGEMENTALLY!!! IT WAS VERY MUCH APPRECIATED!!!!!
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    Advertising girls that do extras on a website just sounds like a bust waiting to happen.

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    as stated above - it is two different dynamiqs of clientele - there really isnt much of a cross over in my experience - best of luck and stay safe

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    Thank you!!!
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