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    Quote Originally Posted by simone87 View Post
    not enough raped women are coming forward as it is..with this, even less will. great for rapists!! seriously, this makes me sick. if you lose in court, its fraudulent? and since when has the judicial system not been corrupt and ridiculous? if they are going to do that , then every jury member/judge who sentences an innocent person should have to serve the same sentence or pay the same fine. bet that wont happen!but women who have been raped should have to do that if it doesn't hold up in court.
    happened to my friend ten years ago, her boss raped her and was found innocent..bastard went around telling newspapers he's sooo glad this horrible ordeal is over and his name is cleared!
    all this will do is make even less women/some men press charges agains their attackers, or else face even further trauma, be called liars, and have to pay their attacker for the rest of their lives. so angry. i don't think the law favors women more than men at all, its all about how has more power or money. lets not forget law makers are not mostly made up of females.
    A rapist being acquitted is horrible and I feel for rape victims. However, there are people who do lie for attention and this was the case here. If anything people like her make it rough on truly rape victims.

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    http://www.buzzfeed.com/ktlincoln/fo...n-wrongful-rap
    HERES ANOTHER ONE WITH A HAPPIER ENDING YET I STILL FEEL LIKE MONEY ISNT ENOUGH THE GIRLS WHO CRY WOLF SHOULD HAVE TO GO TO JAIL AND SUFFER THE HELL THEY WENT THRU... THIS IS WHY RAPE VICTIMS AREN'T TAKEN SERIOUSLY ALL THE TIME BECAUSE OF FALSE CLAIMS LIKE THIS ITS SAD AND DISGUSTING

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    As I alluded to earlier, along with the civil suits against Ms. Brawley there were also rulings and outcomes in the Duke Lacrosse case, the Dominic Strauss-Kahn case, the Kobi Bryant case etc. which tended to support the following points ...

    - the mere accusation and 'public' charge of rape, even if later unable to be proven in a court of law ( thus the accused being officially found innocent of the charge ), nevertheless causes real and substantial damage to the reputation, career, and future earnings potential of the accused.

    - besides the accuser herself, other parties who had an active role in bringing a 'public' charge of rape ... from the DA who decided to levee formal charges and prosecute, to the Duke Universities, Al Sharptons etc. who made media statements in favor of leveeing formal charges and aggressive prosecution ... now bear the risk of also being held financially liable for the damages to the accused resulting from said 'public' charge of rape.

    - in regard to the ( false ) accuser, repeated associations have been made to the ( false ) accuser working in the adult industry ... thus creating a de-facto 'prejudice' in the minds of future jury members that other future accusers with a work history in the adult industry may be bringing ( false ) charges as a by-product of efforts toward personal financial gain i.e. a possible 'pay for play' arrangement gone wrong, an effort to seek 'hush money' from the accused, etc. This de-facto 'prejudice' in the minds of future jury members against girls working in the adult industry reduces the probability of obtaining a future rape conviction at trial in the absence of incontrovertible HARD evidence.

    The logical projection is that, in the absence of incontrovertible HARD evidence that a crime of rape has been committed, DA's who must decide whether or not to actively prosecute accusations of rape by an accuser with associations to the adult industry are now likely to err on the side of caution ( i.e. caution against the possibility of the DA being personally sued for damages if an attempted prosecution fails to result in finding of guilty at trial ) and NOT proceed with a prosecution. Or stated another way, any past 'benefit of the doubt' is now shifting away from an accuser with a history of adult industry work and toward the accused. For example, rape kit evidence that the accused did indeed have sex with an adult industry associated accuser now becomes nearly meaningless, because the accused's defense attorney can argue that the sex was a consensual part of a 'business arrangement' which the accuser has no way to positively disprove.

    Indeed this arguably now places girls with a history of adult industry work in a very vulnerable position. since bringing a rape charge in the future not only has a greatly reduced chance of actually being prosecuted / actually resulting in a rape conviction in court, but also potentially exposes the girl bringing the rape charge to potential future financial liability to pay the accused in compensation for financial damages caused by bringing said rape charge.
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    I am no fan of Sharpton. However I don't want to see people ripping up on him outside of his involvement with this case in particular.

    The thread is already way too close to political issues. I am leaving it up due to the relevance to women in the stripping industry being granted less credibility in court and in the legal process before court.
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    Default Re: 'Fraudulent' Rape Victim ordered to pay compensation ...

    Quote Originally Posted by Smurfette View Post
    Also, am I missing something here? What does this article have to do with Al Sharpton or race?
    Wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tawana_...pe_allegations

    She ruined a bunch of lives over an incident that never took place.

    The racial aspect came from the fact that she covered herself in excrement that spelled out several racial slurs and "KKK" and placed herself in a garbage bag. Thus making the non-existent occurrence a hate crime.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    As I alluded to earlier, along with the civil suits against Ms. Brawley there were also rulings and outcomes in the Duke Lacrosse case, the Dominic Strauss-Kahn case, the Kobi Bryant case etc. which tended to support the following points ...

    - the mere accusation and 'public' charge of rape, even if later unable to be proven in a court of law ( thus the accused being officially found innocent of the charge ), nevertheless causes real and substantial damage to the reputation, career, and future earnings potential of the accused.

    - besides the accuser herself, other parties who had an active role in bringing a 'public' charge of rape ... from the DA who decided to levee formal charges and prosecute, to the Duke Universities, Al Sharptons etc. who made media statements in favor of leveeing formal charges and aggressive prosecution ... now bear the risk of also being held financially liable for the damages to the accused resulting from said 'public' charge of rape.

    - in regard to the ( false ) accuser, repeated associations have been made to the ( false ) accuser working in the adult industry ... thus creating a de-facto 'prejudice' in the minds of future jury members that other future accusers with a work history in the adult industry may be bringing ( false ) charges as a by-product of efforts toward personal financial gain i.e. a possible 'pay for play' arrangement gone wrong, an effort to seek 'hush money' from the accused, etc. This de-facto 'prejudice' in the minds of future jury members against girls working in the adult industry reduces the probability of obtaining a future rape conviction at trial in the absence of incontrovertible HARD evidence.

    The logical projection is that, in the absence of incontrovertible HARD evidence that a crime of rape has been committed, DA's who must decide whether or not to actively prosecute accusations of rape by an accuser with associations to the adult industry are now likely to err on the side of caution ( i.e. caution against the possibility of the DA being personally sued for damages if an attempted prosecution fails to result in finding of guilty at trial ) and NOT proceed with a prosecution. Or stated another way, any past 'benefit of the doubt' is now shifting away from an accuser with a history of adult industry work and toward the accused. For example, rape kit evidence that the accused did indeed have sex with an adult industry associated accuser now becomes nearly meaningless, because the accused's defense attorney can argue that the sex was a consensual part of a 'business arrangement' which the accuser has no way to positively disprove.

    Indeed this arguably now places girls with a history of adult industry work in a very vulnerable position. since bringing a rape charge in the future not only has a greatly reduced chance of actually being prosecuted / actually resulting in a rape conviction in court, but also potentially exposes the girl bringing the rape charge to potential future financial liability to pay the accused in compensation for financial damages caused by bringing said rape charge.
    It's a crime, like any other crime it has a burden of proof. I don't understand what you are trying to argue, should false accusers not be prosecuted?
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    ^^^ what I am concerned about is the distinct possibility that GENUINE accusers with ties to the adult entertainment industry will not be able to motivate future prosecutions of GENUINE rapists ... because the DA will now be concerned over potential personal financial liability should a case be brought to trial and the accused be found not guilty, because juries will be receptive to the defense attorney painting a picture that the accusing 'stripper' is in fact leveling false rape accusations as a matter of attempted personal financial gain ( something which the accusing 'stripper' has no factual means to disprove ), etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    As I alluded to earlier, along with the civil suits against Ms. Brawley there were also rulings and outcomes in the Duke Lacrosse case, the Dominic Strauss-Kahn case, the Kobi Bryant case etc. which tended to support the following points ...

    - the mere accusation and 'public' charge of rape, even if later unable to be proven in a court of law ( thus the accused being officially found innocent of the charge ), nevertheless causes real and substantial damage to the reputation, career, and future earnings potential of the accused.

    - besides the accuser herself, other parties who had an active role in bringing a 'public' charge of rape ... from the DA who decided to levee formal charges and prosecute, to the Duke Universities, Al Sharptons etc. who made media statements in favor of leveeing formal charges and aggressive prosecution ... now bear the risk of also being held financially liable for the damages to the accused resulting from said 'public' charge of rape.

    - in regard to the ( false ) accuser, repeated associations have been made to the ( false ) accuser working in the adult industry ... thus creating a de-facto 'prejudice' in the minds of future jury members that other future accusers with a work history in the adult industry may be bringing ( false ) charges as a by-product of efforts toward personal financial gain i.e. a possible 'pay for play' arrangement gone wrong, an effort to seek 'hush money' from the accused, etc. This de-facto 'prejudice' in the minds of future jury members against girls working in the adult industry reduces the probability of obtaining a future rape conviction at trial in the absence of incontrovertible HARD evidence.

    The logical projection is that, in the absence of incontrovertible HARD evidence that a crime of rape has been committed, DA's who must decide whether or not to actively prosecute accusations of rape by an accuser with associations to the adult industry are now likely to err on the side of caution ( i.e. caution against the possibility of the DA being personally sued for damages if an attempted prosecution fails to result in finding of guilty at trial ) and NOT proceed with a prosecution. Or stated another way, any past 'benefit of the doubt' is now shifting away from an accuser with a history of adult industry work and toward the accused. For example, rape kit evidence that the accused did indeed have sex with an adult industry associated accuser now becomes nearly meaningless, because the accused's defense attorney can argue that the sex was a consensual part of a 'business arrangement' which the accuser has no way to positively disprove.

    Indeed this arguably now places girls with a history of adult industry work in a very vulnerable position. since bringing a rape charge in the future not only has a greatly reduced chance of actually being prosecuted / actually resulting in a rape conviction in court, but also potentially exposes the girl bringing the rape charge to potential future financial liability to pay the accused in compensation for financial damages caused by bringing said rape charge.
    What is your proof of this? Here's an example where the exact opposite of what you said happened. In this case in Alabama, that happened after the Duke Lacrosse players case, an exotic dancer went to a man's home, and according to her, was raped at gunpoint by him. The accused man was arrested and charged with rape and sodomy.

    http://blog.al.com/hoover/2007/09/in..._with_rap.html

    From what was written in the article, it seems the only evidence that exotic dancer was raped, as opposed to having had consensual sex, was her word, yet the police arrested the man and charges were brought against him. How do you explain this happening after the Duke Lacrosse players case?

    Do you have any examples where an adult entertainer was raped and the prosecution refused to bring charges against the accused rapist, because of what happened in the Duke Lacrosse players' case?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Melonie View Post
    ^^^ what I am concerned about is the distinct possibility that GENUINE accusers with ties to the adult entertainment industry will not be able to motivate future prosecutions of GENUINE rapists ... because the DA will now be concerned over potential personal financial liability should a case be brought to trial and the accused be found not guilty, because juries will be receptive to the defense attorney painting a picture that the accusing 'stripper' is in fact leveling false rape accusations as a matter of attempted personal financial gain ( something which the accusing 'stripper' has no factual means to disprove ), etc.
    So we should not prosecute one crime for fear it might affect another? you realize that is pretty ridiculous right?
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    ^^^ in regard to the Alabama Dempsey case above, this certainly happened after the Duke Lacrosse criminal rape trial, but also happened well before the Duke Lacrosse civil suits began to establish a trend of damage awards to rape defendents after being found not guilty of criminal rape charges.

    A quick check of the Alabama sex offender registry also shows that Dempsey was convicted of sodomy ... but apparently not of rape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smurfette View Post
    Also, am I missing something here? What does this article have to do with Al Sharpton or race?
    I'm not really familiar with the case, but apparently Sharpton got involved because of the racial overtones to the faked rape.


    But it doesn't matter anymore. I asked that people leave Sharpton out of it except as he was directly related to the case. This request was blithely ignored (I'm not talking about your innocent question Smurfette) . So I am closing the thread now.

    ETA--I understand maybe the people didn't see my request. But we really have to watch the politics here--there is way, way too much potential for people to get all upset with each other over shit that has nothing to do with stripping.
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